jamz
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Say, a gun with a 4 or 6 inch barrel- slide a 1/4 inch wooden dowel down it until it rests in the cavity of a HP bullet. Fire it- what would happen? Would it slow the bullet enough to bulge the barrel? Would it fire but shatter the wood?
What would happen if you stuck a wooden dowel down the barrel of a gun and fired it?
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Give it 2 days...........Somebody will do it and post a picture
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newfalguy101
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if its sitting in/on the bullet when fired, it should just shoot out.
if its actually above the bullet, when fired it could, I suppose cause a bulge, but I doubt it.
This is of course all THEORY as I havent and have no intention of putting a stick in my barrel and shooting it out.
Might be fun to watch though
if its actually above the bullet, when fired it could, I suppose cause a bulge, but I doubt it.
This is of course all THEORY as I havent and have no intention of putting a stick in my barrel and shooting it out.
Might be fun to watch though
Archie
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The obvious...
Doing this increases the projectile weight by the weight of the stick. This causes increased resistance to movement and therefore increased pressure inside the burn chamber of the case. (Don't look for that term anywhere, I just made it up; hopefully most everyone understands what I mean.)
Depending on what caliber we're talking about in the first place, this means the payload could be tripled, perhaps more. I've forgotten the formulae involved, but that substantially jacks up pressure.
This may not blow up the gun, but it's not going to help, either. Probably end up with a 'proof test' load, anyway. Probably a cratered or blown primer and the case beat bad.
Because your stick is a fixed weight, it will affect guns with smaller weight projectiles more. A 9x19 will be severly overloaded, a .50 BMG will have some increase, but perhaps not a dangerous level, and a 155 mm howitzer wouldn't notice at all.
I think Werewolf was being facetious when he suggested you try it and report. I would recomend against such an experiment. But if you must, tie the gun to a tire or something, fire it with a long string, wear safety glasses and take along a movie camera of some type to record the experiement for later review. You may want to take along a large box to collect and transport what's left of the gun, too.
Doing this increases the projectile weight by the weight of the stick. This causes increased resistance to movement and therefore increased pressure inside the burn chamber of the case. (Don't look for that term anywhere, I just made it up; hopefully most everyone understands what I mean.)
Depending on what caliber we're talking about in the first place, this means the payload could be tripled, perhaps more. I've forgotten the formulae involved, but that substantially jacks up pressure.
This may not blow up the gun, but it's not going to help, either. Probably end up with a 'proof test' load, anyway. Probably a cratered or blown primer and the case beat bad.
Because your stick is a fixed weight, it will affect guns with smaller weight projectiles more. A 9x19 will be severly overloaded, a .50 BMG will have some increase, but perhaps not a dangerous level, and a 155 mm howitzer wouldn't notice at all.
I think Werewolf was being facetious when he suggested you try it and report. I would recomend against such an experiment. But if you must, tie the gun to a tire or something, fire it with a long string, wear safety glasses and take along a movie camera of some type to record the experiement for later review. You may want to take along a large box to collect and transport what's left of the gun, too.
Hkmp5sd
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Myth Busters did a test of the myth of sticking your finger in the end of a barrel and shooting it. Didn't bulge the barrel. They wedged wood in the barrel, jammed the barrel in the ground and even welded a plug in the barrel before they got it to bulge. A loose fitting dowel would just shoot out the barrel.
Archie
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Myth Busters Testing...
HK, do you recall what sort of gun(s) and what caliber(s) they tested? Did they examine the spent case or attach a pressure guage or anything of that nature?Hkmp5sd said:
newfalguy101
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Not HK but I did see that episode
The first gun was a shotgun, and it DID bulge the very end of the barrel with the "finger", by contrast the welded up end didnt do squat, rather dissapointing.
The second was a ( I believe) Carcano rifle, into which they drove a lead ball from the MUZZLE end to simulate a stuck bullet, as I recall it didnt do anything visible, I would bet my eye teeth, that the barrel was bulged.
They were looking for the cartoon effect ie... the barrel to split into several pieces from muzzle to receiver, ergo they didnt test any pressures etc....
The first gun was a shotgun, and it DID bulge the very end of the barrel with the "finger", by contrast the welded up end didnt do squat, rather dissapointing.
The second was a ( I believe) Carcano rifle, into which they drove a lead ball from the MUZZLE end to simulate a stuck bullet, as I recall it didnt do anything visible, I would bet my eye teeth, that the barrel was bulged.
They were looking for the cartoon effect ie... the barrel to split into several pieces from muzzle to receiver, ergo they didnt test any pressures etc....
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Chipperman
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The initial testing was a 12g shotgun. They made an artifical hand and stuck the finger in the barrel a la Bugs Bunny to see what happened. The hand was blown away with no damage to the shotgun. Then in Mythbusters typical fashion, they tried to do what they could to cause damage to the gun.
Hkmp5sd
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Don't remember the exact test...here's their official myth and result:
Episode 43
November 16, 2005
Episode 43
November 16, 2005
Slip Shooter
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I'll bite on this one!
This is a true story!
Many years ago I owned a T/C .45 cal muzzle loader, as well as the T/C Seneca .36 Cal. While at the range, along with other muzzle loading enthusiast, I fired my ram rod away while shooting the .45. BiGGG recoil was my first indicator then I noticed the lock was cocked from the back pressure. Lots of laughs down th line..... humiliating!
Well, to make a stupid trick take hold, the following fall I was Squirrel hunting and spotted a nice grey squirrel on a limb about 50 yards away. Knowing I could take the critter at that distance I raised the Seneca .36 and fired. I missed! So, I reloaded as quickly as possible, (had it down to 12 seconds), re-shouldered the Seneca and fired a second round. Something familiar happened. I had shot away my ram rod once again. Yep, the rifle was cocked and my only ram rod was miles away never to be seen again.
Not to be defeated tho, I spent the rest of the morning hunting squirrels with a Swiss pocket knife.
This is a true story!
Many years ago I owned a T/C .45 cal muzzle loader, as well as the T/C Seneca .36 Cal. While at the range, along with other muzzle loading enthusiast, I fired my ram rod away while shooting the .45. BiGGG recoil was my first indicator then I noticed the lock was cocked from the back pressure. Lots of laughs down th line..... humiliating!
Well, to make a stupid trick take hold, the following fall I was Squirrel hunting and spotted a nice grey squirrel on a limb about 50 yards away. Knowing I could take the critter at that distance I raised the Seneca .36 and fired. I missed! So, I reloaded as quickly as possible, (had it down to 12 seconds), re-shouldered the Seneca and fired a second round. Something familiar happened. I had shot away my ram rod once again. Yep, the rifle was cocked and my only ram rod was miles away never to be seen again.
Not to be defeated tho, I spent the rest of the morning hunting squirrels with a Swiss pocket knife.
I was shooting heavy handloads out of my Ruger Blackhawk (3 screw) in .45 LC and had a squib without realising it..okay I was shooting fast and I was an FNG. Ended up shooting two 260 gr Speer HPs out of the barrel at the same time. I remember a hell of a kick and seeing two bullets hit the dirt.
I ended up with a slight bulge in the end of the barrel and my 4 5/8" barrel was soon cut down to 3". That was the extent of the damage if you disregard my ego and the loss of confidence in my reloading abitilities.
Biker
I ended up with a slight bulge in the end of the barrel and my 4 5/8" barrel was soon cut down to 3". That was the extent of the damage if you disregard my ego and the loss of confidence in my reloading abitilities.
Biker
1911Tuner
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Wood I?
No...but a 1/4-inch dowel rod 3 or 4 inches long sitting against the bullet
in say, a .357 Magmum L-frame or Python wouldn't likely damage the gun.
At least, not the ones that used to be proof-tested before leaving the factory. I don't even know if they still do that. Since proof loads are
generally loaded to somethin' like 20-25% over SAAMI max specs...I'd have to say that increasing the projectile weight/mass with the addition of whatever the dowel rod would weigh wouldn't push the pressures to proof-level.
That said...I don't advise it. A couple of old saws would apply here:
"You can't prove anything with a gun that hasn't already been proven."
Paraphrased:
"The pressure required to push a 150-grain projectile to 1200 fps in 4 inches of barrel is more than enough to blow your eyes through the back of your head."
Cheers!
No...but a 1/4-inch dowel rod 3 or 4 inches long sitting against the bullet
in say, a .357 Magmum L-frame or Python wouldn't likely damage the gun.
At least, not the ones that used to be proof-tested before leaving the factory. I don't even know if they still do that. Since proof loads are
generally loaded to somethin' like 20-25% over SAAMI max specs...I'd have to say that increasing the projectile weight/mass with the addition of whatever the dowel rod would weigh wouldn't push the pressures to proof-level.
That said...I don't advise it. A couple of old saws would apply here:
"You can't prove anything with a gun that hasn't already been proven."
Paraphrased:
"The pressure required to push a 150-grain projectile to 1200 fps in 4 inches of barrel is more than enough to blow your eyes through the back of your head."
Cheers!
palerider1
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why would you want to do that?
rero360
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1911JMB said:
well provided you could remote fire the gun it actually sounds pretty cool, of course my squad leader was a sapper in the SF and he tought us a bunch of really cool, unorthodox hasty explosives, so I think weird stuff like that is interesting. I mean your not going to catch me trying this with my 11-87, but from a cheapo pump, perhaps.
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jamz
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I wouldn't want to do it, at least not with a valuable gun, and not with me in proximity. I just saw a wooden dowl and a model 19 on my bench and got to thinking.
My assumption is that it would easily slide out (i.e. not wedged into the barrel), and be a reasonably light weight pine or something. It would rest right against the bullet.
I am guessing that a) it would increase the effective mass of the bullet, at least as the gas expansion would see it, and b) it would not be steady, as the dowel would probably crush some before it could exit.
I dunno, I just got to thinking. I'm looking for theory here, don't none of you dummies go out and try this! (Some muzzleloaders excluded
)
-James
My assumption is that it would easily slide out (i.e. not wedged into the barrel), and be a reasonably light weight pine or something. It would rest right against the bullet.
I am guessing that a) it would increase the effective mass of the bullet, at least as the gas expansion would see it, and b) it would not be steady, as the dowel would probably crush some before it could exit.
I dunno, I just got to thinking. I'm looking for theory here, don't none of you dummies go out and try this! (Some muzzleloaders excluded
)-James
Standing Wolf
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Well, why the heck not? Why, it's practically a science project.
Alright, I admit it. I was a stupid kid. I used to take the lead shot out of 12 gauge shells and drop worn out drumsticks down the barrel and launch them out of my second story bedroom window. They only flew about 20 yards or so, but hey, I got bored easily and had to think up something to do, right?
No damage ever done to the gun. In fact, without the lead charge the stick and wadding would leave the barrel long before all the powder was burned. The unburned grains of powder would fly all over the place.
No damage ever done to the gun. In fact, without the lead charge the stick and wadding would leave the barrel long before all the powder was burned. The unburned grains of powder would fly all over the place.
Warren
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That would be one powerful dowel movement.
Preacherman
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Warren, Warren, Warren,....
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