Joe Demko
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My default condition is armed, therefore I did not mention arming myself.
What would you do if someone was breaking into your car outside?
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My default condition is armed, therefore I did not mention arming myself.
Yell at him out the window to hit the bricks. I'd have a pistol out of sight in my hand but, im not gonna point it at the dude unless he makes for a weapon. Calling the cops would be nice but they wont stop him before he puts a brick through my window.
TallPine
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The problem I have with the "let them have the car [truck]" plan ( I do NOT have insurance other than liability, btw) is that what if this guy is a dangerous fugitive or something ...?
How would I feel if I let him take it and found out later that he went off somewhere else and killed somebody? And I had a chance to stop him and didnt ....
A rancher and his son caught a fugitive down in northern Wyoming a year or so back.
But then that is just my way of looking at it. We think a little differently up here in Montana where the official law is few and far between.
3-7-77
How would I feel if I let him take it and found out later that he went off somewhere else and killed somebody? And I had a chance to stop him and didnt ....
A rancher and his son caught a fugitive down in northern Wyoming a year or so back.
But then that is just my way of looking at it. We think a little differently up here in Montana where the official law is few and far between.
3-7-77
Joe Demko
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How are you going to feel wearing a colostomy bag because you got gut-shot over a used car?
What if the guy stealing the car is an ebola carrier?
What if the guy stealing the car is the head of a nationwide crime ring?
What if the guy stealing the car is The AntiChrist?
We can spin all sorts of scenarios where shootin the car thief is a world-saving moral imperative, but you know what? The overwhelming odds are that the guy stealing the car is a plain, garden variety gutter criminal, likely one with a chemical habit. He may be alone, he may not. He may be armed, he may not. He may flee, he may not. Too many variables and I care about my daughter too much and getting shot hurts too much to risk EVERYTHING over a vehicle.
What if the guy stealing the car is an ebola carrier?
What if the guy stealing the car is the head of a nationwide crime ring?
What if the guy stealing the car is The AntiChrist?
We can spin all sorts of scenarios where shootin the car thief is a world-saving moral imperative, but you know what? The overwhelming odds are that the guy stealing the car is a plain, garden variety gutter criminal, likely one with a chemical habit. He may be alone, he may not. He may be armed, he may not. He may flee, he may not. Too many variables and I care about my daughter too much and getting shot hurts too much to risk EVERYTHING over a vehicle.
clubsoda22
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Can't say i would have stood back and let that happen, i'd probably be inclined to yell out the door to lay off of her and that i called the cops. Hopefully that would take their attention off her.
I can sit back and watch my car get broken into waiting for the cops, but i'm not the kind of person who would sit back and watch an innocent person get hurt.
Depends on the state.
In Arkansas, you cannot use deadly force to protect a car.
You can use non-deadly force---yelling at the guy, or shoving him, or something like that.
However, if the guy threatens physical harm against you, you can then use deadly physical force.
Brandishing a firearm is deadly physical force because of the fact that you can just squeeze the trigger to cause the deadly physical force to happen.
However, in Texas, state laws do allow you to use deadly physical force to protect you car.
And then, you'd have to decide if that car was worth having to live with killing someone for it.
No matter what state, here 's what I would do.
I would holler "STOP!" at the guy, and have a gun tucked into my belt, or hidden behind my back while dialing 911.
If the guy keeps on stealing, I let him go and give cops the descripton of him, my car, and the direction he went.
If he makes any threatening moves at me or my wife (like pointing a gun at us, or advancing at us with a knife or a club or a crowbar) I whack him where he is and keep firing until the threat is no longer a threat.
That means he is down and can't respond, turns and runs, throws up his hands and begs for mercy, whatever.
But if he threatens me and mine, I shoot and keep shooting until the threat is no longer a threat.
hillbilly
In Arkansas, you cannot use deadly force to protect a car.
You can use non-deadly force---yelling at the guy, or shoving him, or something like that.
However, if the guy threatens physical harm against you, you can then use deadly physical force.
Brandishing a firearm is deadly physical force because of the fact that you can just squeeze the trigger to cause the deadly physical force to happen.
However, in Texas, state laws do allow you to use deadly physical force to protect you car.
And then, you'd have to decide if that car was worth having to live with killing someone for it.
No matter what state, here 's what I would do.
I would holler "STOP!" at the guy, and have a gun tucked into my belt, or hidden behind my back while dialing 911.
If the guy keeps on stealing, I let him go and give cops the descripton of him, my car, and the direction he went.
If he makes any threatening moves at me or my wife (like pointing a gun at us, or advancing at us with a knife or a club or a crowbar) I whack him where he is and keep firing until the threat is no longer a threat.
That means he is down and can't respond, turns and runs, throws up his hands and begs for mercy, whatever.
But if he threatens me and mine, I shoot and keep shooting until the threat is no longer a threat.
hillbilly
TallPine
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Golgo, let me clarify ...
In my case (I am assuming this is an after dark incident), my dogs would have alerted me to something going on.
It could be a cougar trying to get one of our horses, a deer prancing on our deck, a porcupine chewing on a tree in our yard, or somebody trying to steal something or break in.
So the SOP is to check it out with a light and AK in hand. If I catch somebody, it's my place they are trespassing on and by God it's going to stop right now!
Sheriff's response in this area would be nil unless violence had occurred. They usually have one deputy per shift and are contracted to cover the county seat 24/7 so that leaves the rest of us with nothing.
In my case (I am assuming this is an after dark incident), my dogs would have alerted me to something going on.
It could be a cougar trying to get one of our horses, a deer prancing on our deck, a porcupine chewing on a tree in our yard, or somebody trying to steal something or break in.
So the SOP is to check it out with a light and AK in hand. If I catch somebody, it's my place they are trespassing on and by God it's going to stop right now!
Sheriff's response in this area would be nil unless violence had occurred. They usually have one deputy per shift and are contracted to cover the county seat 24/7 so that leaves the rest of us with nothing.
Joe Demko
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As a property owner, I appreciate your sentiment. Lack of LE coverage isn't limited to where you live. Over large areas of Pennsylvania, especially the very sparsely populated north-central portion, the PA state Police provide virtually the only LE. At night, you will have one or two troopers responsible for covering a vast area. Response time is extremely long, as a result.
None of that, however, is germane to my point. I am talking about what am I putting at risk to protect a particular assett.
What am I protecting? Right now, my vehicle has a maximum resale value of, perhaps, $14, 000. I maintain comprehensive insurance with a $250 deductable. So, the maximum I could be said to be protecting is $14K. Realistically, the most I am protecting is $250.
What am I risking? Worst case, I get killed. Almost-as-bad case, I get wounded and end up quadraplegic or otherwise badly maimed. There're lots of gradations between getting shot-and-killed and shot-at-and-missed. None of them are pleasant. What else am I risking? Monetarily, legal fees if there is an inquest or (Heaven forfend!) a trial. More legal fees if the defunct junkie's survivor's decide to sue me for whatever they can get. We won't even get into somewhat more remote possibilities like having to look over my shoulder for the dead junkie's pals if he happened to be a member of certain "youth social clubs."
You need to do what you need to do, though. For my part, that is risking an awful damned lot to keep from paying $250. YMMV.
I understand where you're going with this, but IT'S NOT YOUR JOB. That's why we have police. I will not voluntarily inject myself to a situation that I know could turn into a shooting.
Unless you or yours are being directly threatened, it's not worth it.
Ed
TallPine
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People didn't used to think that way. When the country started out, the citizenry were the main law enforcement. (I read a treatise on this somewhere - will try to find it and post a link). The local constable or sheriff was just the official one to turn somebody over to the courts. He would often (or usually) call on citizens to help him arrest someone.
The question was asked as to "what would you do?"
And I answered ....
PS: Search for "Roger Roots, Are Cops Constitutional?"
I have the htm saved on my PC but don't have the source URL anymore.
Just something to think about.
T.Stahl
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Ideal world:
Tell my brother to call the police, walk to the steel locker and get my scoped rifle and a full mag, open window, take aim and freely quote Arnie from The Kindergarten Cop * while the bolt slams forward.
Real world:
Tell my brother to get his camera and take pictures while I call the police.
*) "My name is John Kimble *racks slide* and I love my car!"
Tell my brother to call the police, walk to the steel locker and get my scoped rifle and a full mag, open window, take aim and freely quote Arnie from The Kindergarten Cop * while the bolt slams forward.
Real world:
Tell my brother to get his camera and take pictures while I call the police.
*) "My name is John Kimble *racks slide* and I love my car!"
Mulliga
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Park your car in a garage.
Seriously, though, if someone is in your house, most states let you do practically whatever you want to defend yourself, right? So if you have a garage attached to your house (or very close by it), you can brandish and scare the BG away...hopefully.
Seriously, though, if someone is in your house, most states let you do practically whatever you want to defend yourself, right? So if you have a garage attached to your house (or very close by it), you can brandish and scare the BG away...hopefully.
it depends
If I was at my house in the country the police would never (read that "never") get there so the perp might just catch a 65 grain balistic tip out of my 243.
If I was at school and saw him I wouldn't have my gun so I might just have to sneak up behind him and use my handi dandi garrot. j/k. I really don't think I could stand back and let a person have my car. I don't have any money to buy a new car. I really can't continue school or work without my car. its not really an option for me.
If I was at my house in the country the police would never (read that "never") get there so the perp might just catch a 65 grain balistic tip out of my 243.
If I was at school and saw him I wouldn't have my gun so I might just have to sneak up behind him and use my handi dandi garrot. j/k. I really don't think I could stand back and let a person have my car. I don't have any money to buy a new car. I really can't continue school or work without my car. its not really an option for me.
ducktapehero
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I'd call the cops. Luckily I don't have real nice cars so I doubt they would be interested in mine. I have a 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis with the stock AM/FM stereo and cassette player and a 1991 Ford F250 with the stock AM/FM stereo. I also have a broke down 1993 Ford Crown Vic but ain't nothing in there. He's free to dig around in that car.
Edited-- I forgot to mention that if it looked like he was going to be successful in stealing my truck I'd use my shotgun to shoot out the tires. That truck is hard enough to steer with good rubber on it. I doubt he would get very far.
Edited-- I forgot to mention that if it looked like he was going to be successful in stealing my truck I'd use my shotgun to shoot out the tires. That truck is hard enough to steer with good rubber on it. I doubt he would get very far.
orangeninja
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DALLAS -- An off-duty Dallas police officer caught three men breaking into a car and shot one of them, NBC 5 reported.
The shooting happened about 8 p.m. Wednesday off Regal Row in Dallas.
The officer said one of the suspects pointed a rifle at him and the officer fired two shots in self-defense.
The suspects drove the injured man to a hospital, where police arrested them.
Initial reports Wednesday night indicted the man shot by the officer had died. Now, police say he remains in critical condition at Parkland Hospital.
The veteran police officer has been placed on administrative leave.
The shooting happened about 8 p.m. Wednesday off Regal Row in Dallas.
The officer said one of the suspects pointed a rifle at him and the officer fired two shots in self-defense.
The suspects drove the injured man to a hospital, where police arrested them.
Initial reports Wednesday night indicted the man shot by the officer had died. Now, police say he remains in critical condition at Parkland Hospital.
The veteran police officer has been placed on administrative leave.
Threads like this only reinforce my anger at the so-called ‘system.’ A hundred years ago a man could be hanged for stealing a horse. These days, good citizens have to think twice about shooting a car thief or home intruder because they will be charged, sued and screwed. ***!!! Where is the sense of it all?
I should be able to defend my property and possessions with deadly force with out fear of prosecution. If I wake up in the middle of the night and find a BG in my home I should have the right to thrust a tactical folder into him ‘til the hilt meets bone with out a lawyer making me the criminal. If a bunch of thugs kick in my door while my family and I are eating dinner I should have the right to maim and kill every single one of them with out being sued by their families. If I see a lowlife piece of filth breaking into my truck that is sitting in my driveway I should have the right to put a bullet in him and not be arrested for it.
I’m sick of all this crap. A simple question is asked: What would you do if someone were breaking into your car? And we’ve got a bunch of sissies weighing court costs over insurance deductibles! Instead of walking out onto the front porch and discharging a scatter-gun into the air!
I’m sorry. I don’t mean anything personal by calling anyone names. I’m just angry and frustrated with the current state of affairs. We live in an age where good men, real men, are pissed on for protecting what is rightfully theirs. Makes me mad.
I should be able to defend my property and possessions with deadly force with out fear of prosecution. If I wake up in the middle of the night and find a BG in my home I should have the right to thrust a tactical folder into him ‘til the hilt meets bone with out a lawyer making me the criminal. If a bunch of thugs kick in my door while my family and I are eating dinner I should have the right to maim and kill every single one of them with out being sued by their families. If I see a lowlife piece of filth breaking into my truck that is sitting in my driveway I should have the right to put a bullet in him and not be arrested for it.
I’m sick of all this crap. A simple question is asked: What would you do if someone were breaking into your car? And we’ve got a bunch of sissies weighing court costs over insurance deductibles! Instead of walking out onto the front porch and discharging a scatter-gun into the air!
I’m sorry. I don’t mean anything personal by calling anyone names. I’m just angry and frustrated with the current state of affairs. We live in an age where good men, real men, are pissed on for protecting what is rightfully theirs. Makes me mad.
Joe Demko
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Sissies? Guess you must mean me. Hell, man, if your life is worth $250 and you have no responsibilities to other people (like children) then pull that smokewagon and blaze away. Wouldn't want you to be a sissy or anything. Guess I'll go find some other sissies and learn to crochet or something effeminate like that.
WonderNine
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My neighbor's car has been broken into and he's had his stereo stolen twice. Since I've lived here someone knocked the driver's side mirror off of my car with a baseball bat or something while it was parked on the street. It's gonna cost several hundred to replace, it had a motor in it and stuff. Lots of people I know have had their cars vandalized recently. Windows broken, mirrors knocked off, paint scratched, ect.
If I caught someone breaking in or rummaging through my car I'd beat the living $h17 out of them!
Criminals (thieves) don't piss me off nearly as much as vandals.
If I caught someone breaking in or rummaging through my car I'd beat the living $h17 out of them!
Criminals (thieves) don't piss me off nearly as much as vandals.
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I would turn the security lights on and then I would step outside with a baseball bat to confront them. I am almost always carrying at my house, so I would have my pistol concealed and ready if I needed it.
I would eventually call the police, but I don't have a phone in the house, and my cellphone stays in my car since I dont' get service at the house.
I am not going to go off half cocked, and I am not going to just run up and swing at the guy, but I will protect what's mine, and I am not prepared to let someone just steal my car right out from under my nose. Just like I probably wouldn't hand my wallet over to a mugger...
I would eventually call the police, but I don't have a phone in the house, and my cellphone stays in my car since I dont' get service at the house.
I am not going to go off half cocked, and I am not going to just run up and swing at the guy, but I will protect what's mine, and I am not prepared to let someone just steal my car right out from under my nose. Just like I probably wouldn't hand my wallet over to a mugger...
jobu07
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A friend of mine tells me, that years ago before I knew him, he had a problem with some people stealing gas out of his vehicles at night. They'd wake up and find one of thier trucks empty. Rather aggrevating. Well, the police weren't helping much, so he stayed up one night. Low and behold a truck pulled off the road maybe a quarter mile down, and he watched a dark figure walk up past his horse pasture and up his driveway, open the gas cap and shove in a hose. Well, this wouldn't do. He ended up taking his M1 Garand and firing over the guys head once, he took off running and that was the last time it ever happened. Maybe not the smartest method, but it was effective
brownie0486
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The cars are in the garage, unattached from the house.
If the alarm goes off [ yes they stay alarmed in the garage so I can hear them from the house ] my wife calls 911 while I'm up and out the back door with one of the fine pieces that repose near to hand at night, a cell phone, and a E2E surefire.
Throw the pants on, unlaced boots at the door downstairs to slip in on the way outside. The idea is to get them while in the garage, keep them there, and wait for the Cav to arrive for transport.
If they have left the garage and are outside hoofing it or if its only one hoofing it, either way, I shadow them until ID'd through car plate down the street they jump in, or some such other means of ID'ing them as they present it to me.
If I'm spotted following them, it's their play to run faster and wear me out [ likely ], or turn and face off with me. Thats going to be a very bad idea on their part however.
BTW--The boys in blue do know my address and whats capable of happening here. I used to work with them. They know I like to hunt by nature and occupation.
Brownie
If the alarm goes off [ yes they stay alarmed in the garage so I can hear them from the house ] my wife calls 911 while I'm up and out the back door with one of the fine pieces that repose near to hand at night, a cell phone, and a E2E surefire.
Throw the pants on, unlaced boots at the door downstairs to slip in on the way outside. The idea is to get them while in the garage, keep them there, and wait for the Cav to arrive for transport.
If they have left the garage and are outside hoofing it or if its only one hoofing it, either way, I shadow them until ID'd through car plate down the street they jump in, or some such other means of ID'ing them as they present it to me.
If I'm spotted following them, it's their play to run faster and wear me out [ likely ], or turn and face off with me. Thats going to be a very bad idea on their part however.
BTW--The boys in blue do know my address and whats capable of happening here. I used to work with them. They know I like to hunt by nature and occupation.
Brownie
#1) Grab shotgun (not to protect the truck, they can have that even though it would cost me a few thousand over what the insurance company would pay due to the stereo/video stuff installed in it. It would be to protect myself if I was presented with deadly force).
#2) Walk over to the door and ask the gentleman to leave. Repeat as nessessary. If at night, this would occur while I held a Surefire on his face (Surefire in the form of a dedicated weapon light).
#3) If he produced a weapon I would take appropriate action.
A) If it was a gun, I would employ the shotgun standing inside the
house for cover.
B) If it was anything else I would crack the door open wide enough for
the cute little Rottweiler to have some fun.
#4) If he got the truck started I would wave goodbye to him.
#5) If he refused to leave, see #3 B.
I wouldn't call the sheriff under any circumsances unless he actually took the truck and then I would only do so because the insurance company would require it.
I had my truck broken into in a parking lot once. The dark tinted windows concealed the 130 pound Rottweiler lying on the front seat. Blood everywhere. Didn't call anyone, the best that would accomplish is to let the guy know who to sue.
I had my motorcycle stolen from right outside my house. I slept through the whole event. I first called my insurance agent. They informed me that the bike wasn't covered. It was a dirt bike, so I didn't have it insured or registered and it was not covered by my homeowner policy. Made the mistake of calling the sheriff. They took a report and a month or two later actually recovered the bike. This wasn't due to their skills as detectives. A number of bikes had been stolen by these clowns and someone else who had his bike stolen was tipped off by one of his friends that someone was riding his bike. This guy took the police there. I got a call that my bike had been recovered. I went to the sheriff's office. They told me that before I could get it back, I had to pay a private tow company $100 for the "towing" fee. I paid it. I then went to the impound yard to get the bike. Every single part on the bike other than the engine was broken including the seat. Half the parts were missing. I would have just took it to the scrap yard but I had a friend with me who offered to trade me a black powder revolver for it. I got a call from the DA. It seems they wanted to try to give these guys life in prison for being habitual criminals and I might be required to testify against them. She not so politely informed me that if I was called, I WOULD be there and my personal schedule such as work didn't matter to them.
So, by calling the sherriff it cost me $100, and the possibility that I would have to miss work on their behalf.
Benefits ? I can't think of any.
I guess the blackpowder revolver was worth more than $100. It was from Cabellas; a Colt Walker replica. I put it in my safe and have never touched it again. That was about two years ago. But then again, I paid a lot more than that for the bike I traded for it.
#2) Walk over to the door and ask the gentleman to leave. Repeat as nessessary. If at night, this would occur while I held a Surefire on his face (Surefire in the form of a dedicated weapon light).
#3) If he produced a weapon I would take appropriate action.
A) If it was a gun, I would employ the shotgun standing inside the
house for cover.
B) If it was anything else I would crack the door open wide enough for
the cute little Rottweiler to have some fun.
#4) If he got the truck started I would wave goodbye to him.
#5) If he refused to leave, see #3 B.
I wouldn't call the sheriff under any circumsances unless he actually took the truck and then I would only do so because the insurance company would require it.
I had my truck broken into in a parking lot once. The dark tinted windows concealed the 130 pound Rottweiler lying on the front seat. Blood everywhere. Didn't call anyone, the best that would accomplish is to let the guy know who to sue.
I had my motorcycle stolen from right outside my house. I slept through the whole event. I first called my insurance agent. They informed me that the bike wasn't covered. It was a dirt bike, so I didn't have it insured or registered and it was not covered by my homeowner policy. Made the mistake of calling the sheriff. They took a report and a month or two later actually recovered the bike. This wasn't due to their skills as detectives. A number of bikes had been stolen by these clowns and someone else who had his bike stolen was tipped off by one of his friends that someone was riding his bike. This guy took the police there. I got a call that my bike had been recovered. I went to the sheriff's office. They told me that before I could get it back, I had to pay a private tow company $100 for the "towing" fee. I paid it. I then went to the impound yard to get the bike. Every single part on the bike other than the engine was broken including the seat. Half the parts were missing. I would have just took it to the scrap yard but I had a friend with me who offered to trade me a black powder revolver for it. I got a call from the DA. It seems they wanted to try to give these guys life in prison for being habitual criminals and I might be required to testify against them. She not so politely informed me that if I was called, I WOULD be there and my personal schedule such as work didn't matter to them.
So, by calling the sherriff it cost me $100, and the possibility that I would have to miss work on their behalf.
Benefits ? I can't think of any.
I guess the blackpowder revolver was worth more than $100. It was from Cabellas; a Colt Walker replica. I put it in my safe and have never touched it again. That was about two years ago. But then again, I paid a lot more than that for the bike I traded for it.
CannibalCrowley
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I'd strap on my pistol as I called 911 and briefly inform them of the situation. I'd like grab my shotgun but I live in the city and I don't want to worry about being accused of brandishing or risk the spread going somewhere unintended. As I exited the outer door of my apartment I'd put my flashlight on him and inform him that I had called the police. The next move is his.
For those who say it's not worth it, that may be correct for you but I don't have the money to waste on a $500 deductable just so I can wait for the cops. That's not counting the money that I'd lose if I had to miss work due to a lack of transportation.
I'm almost certain that the police wouldn't arrive in time to catch him. Hell, I doubt if they'd arive before the blood went cold. Not to long ago a man was mugged at gunpoint outside my apartment building; the response time was over twenty minutes. And that was without any other calls in progress at the time (it takes less than 15 minutes to drive from one end of their district to the other at that time).
For those who say it's not worth it, that may be correct for you but I don't have the money to waste on a $500 deductable just so I can wait for the cops. That's not counting the money that I'd lose if I had to miss work due to a lack of transportation.
I'm almost certain that the police wouldn't arrive in time to catch him. Hell, I doubt if they'd arive before the blood went cold. Not to long ago a man was mugged at gunpoint outside my apartment building; the response time was over twenty minutes. And that was without any other calls in progress at the time (it takes less than 15 minutes to drive from one end of their district to the other at that time).
Docwithglock
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A few years ago I, and most of my city block were woken at 5:30 am to the sounds of the 20-25 neighborhood punks trashing 8 cars. They knocked off side mirrors, keyed cars, kicked over almost every trash can on the block, and as I looked out my window I saw them throwing a big metal trashcan into the bed of my pickup only 10 feet away. Then I saw another smash my driver's side mirror off.
My first reaction was to grab my shotgun and run for the door. I stopped before I opened the door and realized I only had eight shots... then I realized it wasn't worth shooting a few of them and probably getting myself arrested or killed. I ran back to my bedroom and grabbed my digital camera and headed for the door. I then quickly called the cops. The mob was dispearsing and I saw the punk who broke my mirror halfway down the street. I ran after 5 of them and I saw them get into "their get away car". I took a picture of the back of the car as three guys in the back seat turned around. I captured 3 faces and the license plate all in one shot.
A couple of minutes later several cop cars arrived, and every neighbor was talking about who the guys were. "Oh, it was Little Nicky, and Franky, Billy, Big John's Kid..." Everyone in the neighborhood seemed to know exactly who these guys were. (it was a very close knit working class neighborhood not far from the projects. I was one of the many students and medical residents who lived there). As the cops were trying to get statements, I saw the car slowly drive by about twenty feet away. I yelled "That's them... There they go officer!" The cops got on the horn and a patrol car pulled them over a few blocks away. Only 2 neighbors and myself were willing to identify the culprits in front of a squad cars headlights. Everyone else was afraid because these brave guys would beat up people who called the cops on them.
In court, I was the only one who showed up. I was only able to ID 3 guys for sure, and there they were. The judge was informed by her clerk that I was not "Mr." but "Dr.". One of the kids said what does that have to do with anything? A cop in the bleacher seats loudly whispered "it means you guys are screwd!" Even the judge smiled!
It when back and forth for about two minutes. I said they did it, they said they were not there. The judge looked at me and asked how I know it was them for sure. I said I chased them when it happened and I took a picture of them in the getaway car. It was over in about two seconds after that.
I didn't sue them for the damages because it would have cost me even more in lost wages and legal fees than it was worth, but I made sure they were found guilty.
Thank God I don't live there any more!
Not one person had the guts to stand up to these little @#$%%^$@!
I would have liked to have shot them, but I was much better off doing what I did. By the way, a few weeks later a drunk neighbor pulled a shotgun on a few of these guys, and then drove off without firing a shot! He had previously been hospitalized by this pseudogang in the past. I watched it happen and the punks just yelled they were going to kill him. They called their buddies and them drove after him. A few minutes later when A couple of neighbors and myself were giving yet another report to the cops, we heard a few shots in the distance.
It turned out that a bunch of guys chased the guy and forced him to pull over. He got off two very drunken shots, barely catching two of the guys. This poor guy was terrorized buy these guys for years. Beaten, and harrassed to the breaking point. He shouldn't have pulled the shotgun in the first place. Mandatory five years because of the gun. The guys who got shot were not hurt bad .
My first reaction was to grab my shotgun and run for the door. I stopped before I opened the door and realized I only had eight shots... then I realized it wasn't worth shooting a few of them and probably getting myself arrested or killed. I ran back to my bedroom and grabbed my digital camera and headed for the door. I then quickly called the cops. The mob was dispearsing and I saw the punk who broke my mirror halfway down the street. I ran after 5 of them and I saw them get into "their get away car". I took a picture of the back of the car as three guys in the back seat turned around. I captured 3 faces and the license plate all in one shot.
A couple of minutes later several cop cars arrived, and every neighbor was talking about who the guys were. "Oh, it was Little Nicky, and Franky, Billy, Big John's Kid..." Everyone in the neighborhood seemed to know exactly who these guys were. (it was a very close knit working class neighborhood not far from the projects. I was one of the many students and medical residents who lived there). As the cops were trying to get statements, I saw the car slowly drive by about twenty feet away. I yelled "That's them... There they go officer!" The cops got on the horn and a patrol car pulled them over a few blocks away. Only 2 neighbors and myself were willing to identify the culprits in front of a squad cars headlights. Everyone else was afraid because these brave guys would beat up people who called the cops on them.
In court, I was the only one who showed up. I was only able to ID 3 guys for sure, and there they were. The judge was informed by her clerk that I was not "Mr." but "Dr.". One of the kids said what does that have to do with anything? A cop in the bleacher seats loudly whispered "it means you guys are screwd!" Even the judge smiled!
It when back and forth for about two minutes. I said they did it, they said they were not there. The judge looked at me and asked how I know it was them for sure. I said I chased them when it happened and I took a picture of them in the getaway car. It was over in about two seconds after that.
I didn't sue them for the damages because it would have cost me even more in lost wages and legal fees than it was worth, but I made sure they were found guilty.
Thank God I don't live there any more!
Not one person had the guts to stand up to these little @#$%%^$@!
I would have liked to have shot them, but I was much better off doing what I did. By the way, a few weeks later a drunk neighbor pulled a shotgun on a few of these guys, and then drove off without firing a shot! He had previously been hospitalized by this pseudogang in the past. I watched it happen and the punks just yelled they were going to kill him. They called their buddies and them drove after him. A few minutes later when A couple of neighbors and myself were giving yet another report to the cops, we heard a few shots in the distance.
It turned out that a bunch of guys chased the guy and forced him to pull over. He got off two very drunken shots, barely catching two of the guys. This poor guy was terrorized buy these guys for years. Beaten, and harrassed to the breaking point. He shouldn't have pulled the shotgun in the first place. Mandatory five years because of the gun. The guys who got shot were not hurt bad
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