Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

WHat would you say to this person?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Tomekeuro85, Dec 3, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Tomekeuro85

    Tomekeuro85 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2005
    Messages:
    191
    Location:
    South Suburbs of Chicago
    I have a person on another non-gun forum that claims that FOUR of his completely stock rifles shoot .25" consistently with factory non match ammo.
    He claims 10 shot groups can still stay under .25".

    Rem. Model 788 - 22/250
    Savage 112BVSS - 25/06
    Ruger M77MKIIVT - .223
    Ruger #1 Special Varmint - .220 Swift

    Those are the guns he claims do the grouping

    It makes me laugh because he is arguing that it is my lack of skill that hinders me from getting consistent .25" groups, when in reality I have never seen a factory rifle with factory ammo shoot that good.



    What do I tell someone like this?
     
  2. AndyC

    AndyC Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2006
    Messages:
    2,581
    Location:
    DFW, TX
    I would tell him he's full of - oh, wait, Art's grammaw.... :D

    Tell him to prove it.
     
  3. Don't Tread On Me

    Don't Tread On Me Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2004
    Messages:
    2,213
    Location:
    FLORIDA
    Tell him to buy a new ruler, tape measure (or calipers).



    :neener:
     
  4. lee n. field

    lee n. field Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    3,730
    Yeah, whatever. Anybody can say anything on the internet.
     
  5. de

    de member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    83
    Location:
    North Central Tx
    Tell him to rave on, as your wearing you old "BOOTS" and the depth of the crap is not an issue. You might also add that you print such humor out and take it to the office to entertain your fellow shooting team members. He'll never know the difference, and may do some entertaining back peddling.:evil:
     
  6. Third_Rail

    Third_Rail Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2004
    Messages:
    4,981
    Well, if he's measuring the groups at the muzzle..... :D
     
  7. rangerruck

    rangerruck Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2006
    Messages:
    8,374
    Location:
    Texas, baby!
    I have two, exceptionally accurate rifles, all of mine being super accurate, but
    ony these two could pull that off, and i would say it would be for 5 shot groups. I would proly crap my pants with nervousness trying to putt that off as i approached the 8 or 9 th shot. Only one of these rifles could do it consistently at 100 , the other one i could guaranty at 50 , but I don't know about 100.
     
  8. dm1333

    dm1333 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2005
    Messages:
    971
    Why say anything at all? If he says stuff like that about guns I'm sure he is making up a lot of other crap and the people on the other forum probably aren't buying any of what he says, anyway.
     
  9. Outlaws

    Outlaws Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2006
    Messages:
    2,481
    Location:
    Valley of the Sun
    He could be a good shot. I had a Ruger No. 1 in .204 that shot .25" groups. I wouldn't put that past that Savage either based on what I hear online about them. The other two I haven't shot before so I can't say. But you never know....maybe he buys a rifle, and if it doesn't shoot well, sells it and gets another. If you know what to look for, and have the tools, you could actually rid out a lot of not-so-great rifles right off the bat just by looking closely.

    For the record, my Cooper in .204 is a "factory" rifle and with non-match grade ammo I can shoot .25" groups. Infact, I am will to bet someone with more skill than me woould make it shoot .125" groups all day long.

    But ya, 10 shot groups at under a quarter MOA is damn good by most standards.
     
  10. molonlabe

    molonlabe Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2004
    Messages:
    873
    Location:
    Mountaineer country WV
    The Ruger varmint target could probably do that minus no wind.
     
  11. LSCurrier

    LSCurrier Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Messages:
    271
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    At what range is he doing is shooting?

    Luke
     
  12. Jackal

    Jackal Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2006
    Messages:
    4,379
    Location:
    Northwest Washington
    I agree. At 5ft, all my guns can group .25 .:neener:
     
  13. Outlaws

    Outlaws Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2006
    Messages:
    2,481
    Location:
    Valley of the Sun
    A quarter MOA is a quarter MOA. Its not directly based on inches. If at 100 yards 1 MOA is -close to- 1", 200 yard 1 MOA is -close to- 2". So at 400 yards .25 MOA is closer to 1", and at 50 yards .25 MOA is around 1/8th".

    EDIT:
    I just realized the original post says .25" not .25 MOA. My bad. But that still stands incase anyone didn't know how it works.
     
  14. SigfanUSAF

    SigfanUSAF Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2006
    Messages:
    982
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Take him to the range and bet the rifle he can't do it.

    ROFL:D
     
  15. NailGun

    NailGun Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2006
    Messages:
    274
    Location:
    Gone fishing....
    Don't know what all the fuss is about here....ALL MY rifles, shotguns, BB guns, Milsurps, do AT LEAST 0.25" at 100 yards. Oh ya..and that is with 1950's Slavokastan ammo....you know, the non-corrosive stuff. Heck, I can do 0.125" at 100 yards with a SLINGSHOT.....ya sure, you betcha...don't ya know.:neener: My Saturn does one minute (or two tires) of coyote at 65 mph! (actually that IS true..My First Yote!!) :D
    NailGun.
     
  16. f4t9r

    f4t9r Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2005
    Messages:
    2,670
    At what distance ? 2 or 3 feet !!!!!!!!
     
  17. LeonCarr

    LeonCarr Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2003
    Messages:
    3,817
    Location:
    At The Range
    Take him to the range. Either he will chicken out, or he will show you the most accurate factory stock rifles the world has ever seen :). A trip to the range to put up or shut up usually weeds out the non-hackers and the blowhards.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  18. Froggy

    Froggy Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2006
    Messages:
    235
    Location:
    Southern Arizona
    Given the calibers, he is pretty much claiming the other nine rounds follow the first one through the same hole. Pretty darn good shooting.

    It is the "non-match ammo" part of the claim that makes it outlandish.

    A polite face-to-face match with anyone would pretty much put an end to it.

    Have you seen this?: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165988&highlight=romak

    The fun starts with post #10.
     
  19. Guns R Tools

    Guns R Tools Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2005
    Messages:
    75
    Perhpas this person is doing the shooting at indoor range at 25 yards.

    Some don't have access to longer ranges most of the year.
     
  20. Mr White

    Mr White Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2006
    Messages:
    2,207
    Location:
    Central PA
    The words "in your dreams" come to mind.
     
  21. eab

    eab Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2005
    Messages:
    265
    When someone starts giving me crap about how this gun can do this or they can do that, and I KNOW they wrong or its practicly impossible. First I gently try to correct them or ask them if they meant this or whatever. If then insist on being stupid I "just smile and wave" (to quote some penguins) There aint NOTHING you can do to convence them they are wrong. Because they already have decieded that they are RIGHT. Aint' even worth trying after that.
     
  22. rockstar.esq

    rockstar.esq Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2004
    Messages:
    1,475
    Froggy I hate to call you out but this is something I read/hear often enough I'd like to take a minute to straighten out. Group size can be expressed correctly as "hole size" which is the literal major diameter of an aggregate group or as the "group size" which refers to the center to center major diameter of aggreagate group size. Group size is easily figured by measuring the largest diameter and deducting the bullet diameter. If the target was set at 100 yards this convieniently becomes the Minute Of Angle accuracy of that rifle for that target. At least ten times a year someone will claim that a .50 cal can't shoot 1/4 MOA which is stupid. All targets should be read in a fashion which negates the effect of bullet diameter so that relevant accuracy can be assessed across the board. More to the point, measuring the center to center distance is of greater importance because the tip of the projectile is what we're trying to guide to the mark. Last year I ran into a regular Einstein who maintained that MOA was measured by taking the largest diameter and deducting 1/2 the bullet diameter. It seems no matter how simple something is, people will step up to make it complicated.
     
  23. telomerase

    telomerase Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2003
    Messages:
    3,215
    Location:
    The bear-infested hills of Grafton NH
    Rockstar is of course correct.

    The real question we're trying to solve here is how to get people of this sort to put up their money in a reliably collectable manner in order to Darwinize their finances in an orderly fashion. Unfortunately the wilder the claim the less likely that they are good for their bets....
     
  24. Ian

    Ian Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    3,857
    Why say anything to him? Do you really think that if you can get him to admit that his rifles don't shoot that well, he'll suddenly become a font of useful information?
     
  25. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2006
    Messages:
    12,665
    Location:
    In a part of Utah that resembles Tattooine.
    I have had all kinds of guys make outrageous claims about how good they are, and then when I take them to the range or hunting, the have a 'bad' day.

    I'd be very inclined to believe at LEAST what rockstar is saying, he's not measuring from the center, he's measuring the distance between the holes.

    I am not nearly the rifleman I want to be, but I have had a Remington 700 VS in .308, and a Remington 700 VSSF in 22-250 with 3 lb triggers, that will shoot .5 in at 100 yards. If I were a better marksman, and bothered to get picky with the loads, they might be better. I'm honestly thinking, that's about as good as it gets without starting to spend real money.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page