What's Better Than a 1911 or Hi Power?

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I've tried several hi-powers with trigger jobs. THe best of the lot is something I still regard as unpleasant if relatively light.

It is also not the best 9mm trigger job I have ever run into. THere ARE 9mm 1911s.

For a DA/SA gun, probably the best trigger job I ahve run into was an SP-01 witha matthew mink trigger job. REALLY nice. Except for the CZ camming which you can't eliminate 100%, it was probably as good in SA as any 1911 I've run across.

9mm XD with a canyon creek trigger job isn't too shabby either.
 
I'm going to go with the others who said Kahr PM9; it's simply the smallest auto I know of in a "major" caliber. J-frames are nice and all, but the PM9 is just tiny and is better for IWB carry.

Of course, the only reason I say this is because you seem to have two nice full-sized pistols and nothing made for concealment. An alternative suggestion if you don't need a CCW piece would be a .22 receiver for the 1911.
 
I personally do not like 1911 in anything but 45 ACP. They do not feel right in any other caliber IMHO.

The Hi-power base gun makes a difference IHMO as does the smith.

CZ are nice I used to own a very finely tuned one but the cam cannot be totally overcome as you mention and the large ones simply do not fit my hand.

I have no experience with a custom job on and XD. Isn't that like rims on a toaster. :)
 
I have no experience with a custom job on and XD. Isn't that like rims on a toaster.
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Nope. It makes for a really smooth, light 2-3lb trigger with a little bit of pull through and a short reset. No camming feel either. For carry I would stay basically stock with some polishing though, but they are nice on a USPSA or steel gun.


SInce we are talking carry, a sig p239 isn't a bad little gun either. Not super small, but slim and very managable in 9mm.
 
I have always liked the P225 over the P239. The P239 always seemed unbalanced to me.

I used to carry a P239 in 357 Sig. A good gun just not a great gun IMHO
 
My Apologies to the Gentleman Who Says......

that my S&W is not a 1911. Kinda looks like one to us ignorant folks, but what do we know? That ol' abomination sure does run nice though. Never a hiccup. And she shoots where I hold her too. Gee, wish I had a real 1911.

And thanks for all the great suggestions. A CZ-75? Hmmmmm.
 
ezy - a CZ-75 is an excellent choice, and extremely similar to the previous two, yet as different from the 1911 and GP35 asthey are from each other.

I also can throw in on the SIGs. An SAO 220 would fit your manual of arms quite well.

And as the Pistols said - nevermind the bullocks, you got a great 1911.
 
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I would put that gun's (Angus build) trigger against any DA/SA gun, or Hi-power, that you could find. It's SAO counterpart isn't half bad either.

But as far as triggers; there's a tuned 1911, and then there's everything else.

Out of the two mentioned, I'd look at either sending the Smith off to a good 'smith (if they would take it in, I dunno who works on them), or selling it and getting a light custom.

Of course, Ted Yost does a phenomenal job on Hi-Powers...
 
Autoloading centerfire hanguns with SINGLE ACTION triggers (1911, BHP) are tough (impossible?) to beat in the hands of an experienced pistolero. If I could have only one? My pick is the 1911. If I could have only two? It's partner is a BHP. You've already decided...so have I.
 
hi-power trigger on MKIII with the magazine safety disconnect removed is 'better' in my view than any single action trigger out there (1911 including-- I have tried 1911 Taurus , EAA Witness Match SA, STI LS9 )

another quote about hi-power
from

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/DifferenceMkIIandMkIII.htm

Early production Mk III Hi Power's were produced with the traditional forged frame. It's my understanding that when FN tested the forty-caliber version of the Mk III that the frame rails would warp or break at around 2500 rounds. For this reason, FN began manufacturing quality cast frames, which are harder. This solved the problem and allowed for the forged slides to be heat-treated a bit harder as well. The frames on the 9mm and .40 Hi Power's are the same and soon all Hi Powers were produced with the cast frame, probably to reduce manufacturing costs.
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I think they are great guns, but I do not see them winning any contracts against XD/Glocks/M&P or Berettas
 
My two bits...
If SMALL is what you want for CCW:
For carry, consider a Kahr CW9 (or any of their other 9mms). Very small, conceals well, 7+1, and mine has been deadnuts reliable. I pocket carry mine (holsetered of course) without any problems, even in business casual.

If you want something really small, consider either a Kel Tec P3AT, one of the new Ruger 380s, or maybe a Bersa 380 (I had one as my first CCW until I moved up to a 9mm).

If GOOD is what you want, may I suggest
-S&W M&P in 9, 40, or 45. (I have a M&P45 that I really really like. It's possible to carry although it is a full size pistol). S&W makes compact 9mm and 40s of this model too.
-XD in 9, 40, or 45. I haven't bought an XD but almost bought one instead of my M&P45. I've heard lots of good things about them and might buy one someday myself. They make compact and subcompact models too.
 
I have one of each, what else would you need? :D

While my hi power trigger is different than the 1911 I don't feel about it like many others apparently do. It works fine for me - I hit my target and more importantly, it's just plain fun! :)
 
i didnt think 1911 owners would argue amongst each other as to which is really a 1911 or not. The glock guys get along better than we do lol. I own one of those abominations too and never once a hiccup and shoots as good as any kimber and dan wesson. But something that looks, shoots, and feeds like a 1911 is just something else I guess.
 
Glock, and the M&P, are better than 1911's and brownings in my opinoin.
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The vast majority of Police Departments and young(er) shooters agree with you. Old dinosaurs like me don't. We likely wouldn't agree on the "best" cars, music or women either. But I will point-out that the fastest, most accurate practical shooters in the world (with rare exception) shoot designs based on the 1911. So, if that's not your criteria for "better"...what is?
 
Not saying better but to complement your range one or both of

CZ 75 SP-01 9mm
CZ 97B .45
 
I don't know what the S&W IS, but I know what it isn't: A 1911.
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Wow, what a wonderfully objective anecdote that is. :rolleyes:

I've had a couple of 1911s, and if I get another one, it's either going to be a Colt or a S&W. Smith's 1911s are IMO the best ones out there that are still affordable if Average Joes saves his nickels*. The fit and finish is superb.

(*Obviously, they're not up there with STI, Nighthawk Custom, Ed Brown, etc.)

So, tell us if you will, what makes a "real" 1911?

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Regarding the BHP trigger: no, it's not a fancy tuned 1911. However, out of the 6 HPs that I've owned (still own 3), every one of them required only a mag disconnect removal.

It's not everybody's slice of pie, sure, but I'm certainly not giving up mine.

Wes

Wes
 
You can always buy a different Hi Power. For example, if you have an MKIII get a Standard, Practical or a Silver Chrome.

Maybe look at the FN's with SFS, CDNN used to have them new, cheap. I haven't checked lately, they may only be .40 S&W's if they have any left at all? I'm considering picking up an SFS version myself.
 
It's true that my current pistols are very hefty, but they both have that thin profile that I find incredibly easy to conceal.
Am I missing something? I've had an H&K, a Sig, and a Glock (haven't tried an XD yet). None of them seemed as concealable as the Hi Power and the 1911 (TO ME).
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Yeah, I think you are missing something....perhaps your fondness of the 1911 and the Hi-Power have blinded you to the facts.
I don't know which Glock you owned, but the G17 (or even the bigger G21) should be as easier to conceal than your 1911 or your Hi-Power.
The specs tell the tale....

G17:
length=7.32"
height=5.43"
width=1.18"
weight=22.04 oz

1911:
length=8.65"
height=5.5"
width=1.37"
weight=40 oz.

Hi-Power:
length=7.75"
height=5.05"
width=1.40"
weight=31.75 oz

Even the large Glock G21 is less bulky than the 1911....

G21:
length=7.59"
height=5.47"
width=1.26"
weight=26.28 oz.

Now don't get me wrong....I like the 1911 and the BHP, but they are certainly no easier to conceal than a Glock.
CZ's are nice, but still no more concealable...

CZ 75B:
length=8.1"
height=5.43"
width=1.38"
weight=35.3 oz.



Easy.
 
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