What's the oddest thing you've heard someone say in regards to firearms, ammunition, etc.?

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I can agree with both points.


If I am shooting with a friend and we pack up to leave and "Social Etiquette" like that billowed from his mouth, I would have a difficult time remaining friend with the buffoon.


But I don't suffer pendantry well.

It isn't about safety or society at that point. It's about "moral superiority" and the "gotcha game".

Which is fine.

Just don't be mad when I full-on, football linebacker, tackle you down to the ground, to keep you from walking in front of my parked truck as we leave the range...

It could lurch forward and kill you, just like that. We need to be safe and never walk in front of ANY vehicle. Ever.


Why do you wrinkle your nose?
I just saved your life.

I'm a freaking HERO!

o_O
 
Craig_VA said:
Were you at the bench on the line at the time (the description sounds like you were)? If so, the RO was probably following standard safety practice to ensure the gun is already pointed down range when a case is opened. Not unusual for a newbie or someone not paying attention to uncase with the muzzle pointed to the rear and then have to rotate the gun to downrange, sweeping half the facility unless rotating vertically.
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I had one rifle out on my bench the bagged rifle was on a table behind my position with my other stuff, ammo, binoculars targets &c.
The bag was obviously pointing the muzzle toward the parking lot. When the RO saw this he told me "All muzzles must be pointed downrange" so I turned the bag around.
 
P5 Guy said:
I had one rifle out on my bench the bagged rifle was on a table behind my position with my other stuff, ammo, binoculars targets &c.
The bag was obviously pointing the muzzle toward the parking lot. When the RO saw this he told me "All muzzles must be pointed downrange" so I turned the bag around.
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Gotcha, and thanks for the reply. I agree the RO may have unnecessarily applied the cased weapon rule intended for cases on the bench. But the RO may have figured it necessary of you could reach the case without leaving the line. If you could simply turn around to uncase then bring the rifle forward by turning around again to the bench (something a newbie might well do) then the RO was most likely doing his job properly.
 
Craig_VA said:
Gotcha, and thanks for the reply. I agree the RO may have unnecessarily applied the cased weapon rule intended for cases on the bench. But the RO may have figured it necessary of you could reach the case without leaving the line. If you could simply turn around to uncase then bring the rifle forward by turning around again to the bench (something a newbie might well do) then the RO was most likely doing his job properly.
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There is about ten feet between the gear tables and the shooting positions
 
P5 Guy said:
There is about ten feet between the gear tables and the shooting positions
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In that case, I fully agree with you the RO was unreasonably applying a safety rule s/he did not actually understand. Anyone with authority to enforce rules should actually understand those rules, including the reasons for them, to properly do their jobs. We all know from experience that is not always the case. One of the life lessons from my dad as Air Force officers (both of us) was to know the rules, and understand them so you can recognize and explain when they do not apply.
 
Deus Machina said:
"I use high scope rings, to make up for the bullet's lift."
Yeah, misunderstanding a lot of the physics there, friend.
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Man, when I was behind the counter I can't tell you the number of guys who SWORE that the bullet continued to rise once it left the muzzle. It didn't help that the literature of the time showed the bore parallel with the ground and the bullet rising above the line of sight.
 
It was more odd that I heard it from a "well versed" acquaintance, than the statment itself.

But when we set up to try the, then new, six hundred fourty yard steel, I was told:

"Even with that 30 inch barrel, that .223 will never get there."
He then held up a 220Swift cartridge.
"This is what you need..."

Buy they shoot it at a thousand yards in F/TR matches...

"Yeah, I doubt that."

I was informed how there just wasn't enough powder in the Poodle-Shooter to do it. Yes, yes, he knew all about coefficients and they really don't kill any better...:confused:


I guess it was a string of odd things for an alledged "rifleman" to say.


So, he stopped after twelve, blisteringly hot, misses.
The little fourty grain bullets were impossible to see crush into the swamp grass.
And he refusing to use the Hornady Ballistic calculator holdovers to get close.
"They'll sail off into who knows where!"


I found steel after three impacts wide.
I stopped after ten, seventy five grain BTHP, "KLANG!"s.

Turns out there was enough powder in there...;)
 
Craig_VA said:
In that case, I fully agree with you the RO was unreasonably applying a safety rule s/he did not actually understand. Anyone with authority to enforce rules should actually understand those rules, including the reasons for them, to properly do their jobs. We all know from experience that is not always the case. One of the life lessons from my dad as Air Force officers (both of us) was to know the rules, and understand them so you can recognize and explain when they do not apply.
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Reminds me of the time I saw an FBI agent go through a TSA checkpoint at an airport. He had already declared his weapon and showed his credentials before going through screening.

He goes through the metal detector and waits for his bag. The screener running the X-Ray machine flags his bag for a folding knife. The agent gets taken to the side and told he can't bring a knife on a plane and that they have to confiscate the knife. The agent flashes his badge and shows the form he filled out to get cleared to carry a weapon. The idiot screener held his ground and said the agent may have permission to carry a firearm on board, but not a knife. A TSA supervisor had to get involved.
 
alfsauve said:
Unless your name is Ed McGivern.
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Nah, his name was Mark or something. Deputy at the county jail that fingerprinted folks as they were booked in. He was referring to his G17 service arm. I wanted to ask him if his eyes were open during that 2nd, rapid trigger pull but just left it alone.
 
Double Naught Spy said:
"I carry a cheap gun in case I am in a gun fight and the cops confiscate my gun."

This was told to me by a person that made LOTS of money and had a lot of really nice guns, plenty of normal guns, had several nice cars, and would not carry anything more expensive than a KelTec P32. However, he practiced with a customized Colt National Match 1911 at the range. He didn't practice with the Kel-Tec, because they were made to be "carried a lot and shot a little," he said.
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Yes, this. I don't know how many times I've heard about carrying a "cheap" gun in case you shoot someone and your gun is confiscated for evidence. I always tried to make the point that id your shooting someone you better be fighting for your life and really not be concerned about the gun's cost. Carry the best gun you can afford. Funerals are expensive.
 
theotherwaldo said:
I still feel nervous about the guys that come to the line wearing shoulder holsters.
They start out pointing at the guys behind them, sweep a large arc that includes their off-side arm and everyone on their off-side, and repeat this performance when re-holstering... .
And, yes, most of them are police officers.
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They must shoot at the far left lane only. If no other space is available, they can wait for the next line or qualify individually. When I instructing I know I PO'd some people that out ranked me, but I stuck to the rules for eighteen years and never had a person injured with the exception of stapling their hand.
 
Swampman said:
I'm assuming from your post that you'd be totally OK with someone tracking your head with a cased rifle as you walked downrange, so long as you "knew" it was unloaded?

There's such a thing as "etiquette" in any social interaction, including those involving firearms. If you're doing something with a weapon that makes others near you feel unsafe or uneasy, and they make you aware of it, then STOP!

Just because you think of your cased gun as luggage doesn't mean everyone else does.
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That would be kind of weird and make me question the persons mental state. However, walking in front of someone with a presumably unloaded, cased rifle really isn't much different than walking down range to post a target in front of several presumably unloaded firearms.

I agree that playing well with others is generally the best way to live one's life, and adjusting to respond to someone's overreaction is usually no big deal. Of course, there are also those that go completely off the rails (i.e. people that freak out over someone carrying a holstered gun in public areas, or seeing someone use a tiny pocket knife, or can't be near a locked gun safe, or see someone wearing a MAGA hat) that you really can't do anything about.
 
This is more of a mindset you can occasionally see on forums ( and maybe in person ) is people who refuse to use a certain firearm or firearms due to political reasons. I have seen several people on forums and comment sections who refuse to buy or use Chicoms, Turkish or any Eastern Bloc firearms.

I don't understand this mindset; a firearm isn't something political. Its just an object.
 
Dipping rounds in hair gel for fire forming cases to deal with excessive headspace. Seems the perfect technique to boost bolt thrust and hammer more excessive headspace into a rifle. And I heard it here first.
 
The .45 scp round is extra deadly because it rotates counter-clockwise. This one came from a "firearms expert" at the gunshop.

Then there was the "Navy Ranger sniper" that said the .308 is only good out to 200 yards, but the 7.62x51 is good out to 1000 meters.
 
swg1 said:
Seems the perfect technique to boost bolt thrust and hammer more excessive headspace into a rifle.
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I contend that if the rifle is having excessive headspace hammered into it, it isn’t the lubricant, it’s the receiver. Or the overloading...

Every case I have fired was lubricated with Hornady OneShot, for years, before I even heard of lubricated cases being the cause of hair loss, blown cases, political turmoil, prostate cancer, WallStreet collapse, marital infidelity and psoriasis.
Not to mention it’s the cause of Climate Change.
 
Double_J said:
The .45 scp round is extra deadly because it rotates counter-clockwise. This one came from a "firearms expert" at the gunshop.
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I've heard that in connection to Golden Saber, since the petals are folded to one side.
It makes a sort of sense, but I'm going to bet that the 700+fps forward momentum overcomes the 2 rotations it would take to go through someone.
 
Larry Ashcraft said:
Actually, you can get away with it for 30-06 and 270, using 4831. "Fill 'em to the top and crunch the bullet down" probably won't get you in any trouble....Unless you're using heavy-for-caliber bullets.
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The old black powder rounds (when they were loaded with black powder) like the 45-70, etc. were routinely handloaded using the same philosophy...not actually loaded to the top per say, but a quick "close enough" scoop. Thats the nice thing about black powder..a very large forgiveable range.
 
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