what's wrong with 16 ga

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If anyone needs non-tox shot for vintage 16ga Cabela's has special on Kent Bismuth 1oz #5 and #6 loads at $12.79 per pack of ten. You ain't go beat that price though gun has be be able to take 70mm shell loaded to SAAMI spec with payload of 1oz @ initial velocity of 1300fps.:thumbup:
 
What's "wrong" with the 16 ? It will not do anything a 12 or 20 can't do. Unless you have an emotional attachment to it, it just isn't worth the extra effort to have one. If you like one and enjoy shooting it great, but don't expect to sell others on it mythical virtues.
 
Where lead is concerned in the 16ga the fact is handles a square load perfectly in the 1oz that about handles anything a typical game gun is likely to encounter a 12ga which is typically heavier where correctly proportioned guns are concerned, the English 1 and a 16th oz 12ga game load and in 16 ga were 15 16ths of an oz. The 12gadespite its theoretical advantage never dominated the 16ga on the pattern plate or in the field, the lighter better proportioned gun and square load pulled it through very well, although i agree the above features are not MYTHICAL VIRTUES you can not simply cast them off as irrelevant or false these are the observations of many and even recognised authorities on shotgun ballistics old and new from Burard and lord washingham to gough Thomas and Bob Brister all quote the square load and at least the first two directly quote the 16ga as fielding such virtues.
In Europe notably Belgium and former soviet states and Russia 16Ga enjoys much more popularity and these nations seemed to have dodged the magnumitis that has plagued us in the west.
!6ga can indeed match a 12ga in its field of use which is as a game gun, to compare it to a 3 inch or 3.5 inch 12ga is folly less so where the 3 inch 20ga where only availability of ammo and some time slightly slicker handling 20ga guns can be encountered, on the pattern plate or in the field the 16ga with a 36gram load will generally dominate the 20ga magnum and its long case.
16ga are mot mythical but they are not at any dissadvantage worth mentioning to comparative 12ga loads, and most certainly not the 20ga which fails on all but available practicality but not on performance. best 20 ga loads are 21.. 22 gram the 28 gram 16 load in its square configuration is the one to beat.
 
Cota; that just verifies all the stuff I heard from the old timers when I was growing up in the 50's & 60's in that the 16 ga. was pretty much ideal on stuff at least up to pheasant size. On pheasants the 12 ga. was almost regarded as "overkill" in that it wasn't absolutely required to take pheasants cleanly. Their attitude could be summed up as " why use a 12 when a 16 works so well?". Along with the comments I heard about 16's being easier on your shoulder, although I can't really feel that much of a difference. I think a lot of that is dictated by gun weight and stock design.
 
Another obvious attempt by alien invaders to destroy ammunition commonality, rendering our planet defenseless.

The AR crowd already suffers from "no two rifles use the same ammo", let's not spread the disease ;)

(Although I guess if you're using a shotgun you're already defenseless against anything with a thin coating of Spectra, so carry on).
 
The 16 gauge is one of the all time great upland bird gauges. Like so many have mentioned above, the popularity of the 16 likely started to fade due to weight (most were built on 12 gauge frames. So in theory anyway, why not buy a 12). A good 20 gauge built on a 20 gauge frame and can be half to three quarters of a pound lighter...a real plus after you've walked ten miles in a single day chasing quail. Then there is the shooting industry itself. It must be more expensive to tool up to make 16 gauge ammo. My guess that as tooling wore out the industry decided to continue to push 12 and 20 for reasons of economy, as payloads between the 12 and 20 can generally overlap for about 90% of the applications that shotguns are used. Add it all up and the 16 has just lost ground. Today it's become a specialty item more for nostalgic reasons than anything else I think. Too bad. My granddad and his brothers put great stock in the 16. They killed everything from pests to deer with 16 gauge guns. The first shotgun I ever shot was my granddad's Ithaca model 37 in 16 gauge. The first shotgun I ever owned as a youngster was a 16 gauge Mossberg bolt action in 16 gauge with an adjustable choke. There will always be a soft spot in my heart for the 16 gauge but, like most folks I guess, all but one of my shotguns are either 12 or 20 gauge...save one John Smyth (née Crescent) side by side in 16. She would probably shoot but she's gotten pretty lose from years of use. I bought it as a wall hanger. Wish she could talk. She would probably tell me some interesting stories from the days when nearly all shotgun shells were made from paper hulls. The old waxed paper Federal hulls sure smelled good when they were fired. I miss that.
 
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