odysseus
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Mannlicher said:
Curious to know if we ever do, what the motive was.
Whats your drill for awarness, safety when camping?
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Curious to know if we ever do, what the motive was.
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Mannlicher
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odysseus said:
Sorry for all the links, but this is an important story to me. I hunt and camp in this area myself.
http://www.alligator.org/pt2/060111ocala.php
This has a lot of info on what the killer told police, what weapon he used, and how he almost got away with it.
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Let me get this straight. He wanted to kill happy young people with a future just to create a tragedy??? Just to do it? I can't even fathom that.
[sarcasm]Good thing the state of Florida disarmed his victims for him, though, otherwise somebody might've gotten hurt.[/sarcasm]
I've done a lot of solo camping, both 4X and backpacking. Always liked the solitude stuff, but never got what I would call a good night's sleep because I think my body/mind adjusts (or maybe doesn't adjust?) to the surroundings and I become a much lighter sleeper.
I sleep a whole lot sounder when I'm camping with my dog.
It goes without saying (but I'm saying it anyway) that camping and guns go hand in hand.
I sleep a whole lot sounder when I'm camping with my dog.
It goes without saying (but I'm saying it anyway) that camping and guns go hand in hand.
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I have backpacked/hiked many of miles with a revolver and consider it vital to safe travels. You just can't be to safe out in those boonies.
I've backpacked the Thoroughfare Trail trail in Yellowstone a few times. The last time my friend and I were on the return trip back to the trailhead about 4 miles out, and some guy just popped out behind us on the trail from nowhere and seemed intent on knowing our itinerary. I capped off the bear spray safety and was ready to give him both barrels in the eyes when he got right on our heels asking tons of meaningless questions as to divert our attention it seemed. I never wanted my .41 mag so bad.
All turned out well, seemed he was doing a leg of the Continental Divide Trail or something and hadnt seen or talked to anybody in like 6 days (it showed). Up until then I had sparingly carried my .41, but right after I've never been in the field without, ever.
Anyone I hike with KNOWS that I will carry. It's just part of the package if you're rolling with the Bacon. I let them know where the speedloaders are if I'm down or incapacited and general gun handling tips. I know it's just a revolver but some peeps need shown
To summarize my longwinded post, take dogs (I have a German Shep and a Black Lab) bring enough of a gun to reasonably handle any critter in your area, and treat anybody on the trail as you would in the concrete jungle.
I've backpacked the Thoroughfare Trail trail in Yellowstone a few times. The last time my friend and I were on the return trip back to the trailhead about 4 miles out, and some guy just popped out behind us on the trail from nowhere and seemed intent on knowing our itinerary. I capped off the bear spray safety and was ready to give him both barrels in the eyes when he got right on our heels asking tons of meaningless questions as to divert our attention it seemed. I never wanted my .41 mag so bad.
All turned out well, seemed he was doing a leg of the Continental Divide Trail or something and hadnt seen or talked to anybody in like 6 days (it showed). Up until then I had sparingly carried my .41, but right after I've never been in the field without, ever.
Anyone I hike with KNOWS that I will carry. It's just part of the package if you're rolling with the Bacon. I let them know where the speedloaders are if I'm down or incapacited and general gun handling tips. I know it's just a revolver but some peeps need shown
To summarize my longwinded post, take dogs (I have a German Shep and a Black Lab) bring enough of a gun to reasonably handle any critter in your area, and treat anybody on the trail as you would in the concrete jungle.
Continental Divide
RB - A friend of mine hiked the Continental Divide Trail last year. Could have been him....
Anyway, the trail extends from the Mexican border to the Canadian, following the crest of the Rockies - the divide - as closely as possible. It is also quite new and unmarked in many places. There are GPS co-ordinates, but you have to get from Point "A" to "B" pretty much on you own. He said he once went over two weeks without seeing another human, save for his hiking companion. (They didn't talk much, I take it.) Despite being ex-army airborne, I never could convince him to pack a little heat...though he kept bear spray handy.
Not to hijack the thread, but I came close to being in the path of a serial killer too, though I didn't know it at the time. Years ago, I was doing acquisition work for the park service on the route of the Appalachian Trail. Usually, I was well away from civilization (even for the Blue Ridge), and packed a vintage (1918) S&W .38. First two rounds were snake shot (the most obvious threat), the second two were hot-load hollowpoints, the last were tracers for larger 'varmints.'
Some time later, a vagrant was arrested for several murders that took place along the Trail. Reconstruction his time-line, it seems I wasn't far from him when he passed through this one area where I was working.
Packin' then...and still....
RB - A friend of mine hiked the Continental Divide Trail last year. Could have been him....
Anyway, the trail extends from the Mexican border to the Canadian, following the crest of the Rockies - the divide - as closely as possible. It is also quite new and unmarked in many places. There are GPS co-ordinates, but you have to get from Point "A" to "B" pretty much on you own. He said he once went over two weeks without seeing another human, save for his hiking companion. (They didn't talk much, I take it.) Despite being ex-army airborne, I never could convince him to pack a little heat...though he kept bear spray handy.
Not to hijack the thread, but I came close to being in the path of a serial killer too, though I didn't know it at the time. Years ago, I was doing acquisition work for the park service on the route of the Appalachian Trail. Usually, I was well away from civilization (even for the Blue Ridge), and packed a vintage (1918) S&W .38. First two rounds were snake shot (the most obvious threat), the second two were hot-load hollowpoints, the last were tracers for larger 'varmints.'
Some time later, a vagrant was arrested for several murders that took place along the Trail. Reconstruction his time-line, it seems I wasn't far from him when he passed through this one area where I was working.
Packin' then...and still....
We have done alot of camping.....
but only in state parks. The facilities are much cleaner and the sites are not packed in like a parking lot. I always had a pistol handy, no matter where we were, legal or not. People that take barking dogs and set out flood lights make me want to go postal. One of the reasons I go camping is to get away from barking dogs and lights......now, I have my own 9 acres in the country and we go there alot. I will build a house there when I retire in a couple years........chris3
but only in state parks. The facilities are much cleaner and the sites are not packed in like a parking lot. I always had a pistol handy, no matter where we were, legal or not. People that take barking dogs and set out flood lights make me want to go postal. One of the reasons I go camping is to get away from barking dogs and lights......now, I have my own 9 acres in the country and we go there alot. I will build a house there when I retire in a couple years........chris3
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Having a dog along is never a bad idea... unless the govt. has leased your wilderness area for cattle grazing.
You can buy a pack for your dog to carry his own food... Native Americans used dogs as pack animals befor ethe arrival of the horse... just don't weigh fido down too much.
Having a dog along is never a bad idea... unless the govt. has leased your wilderness area for cattle grazing.
You can buy a pack for your dog to carry his own food... Native Americans used dogs as pack animals befor ethe arrival of the horse... just don't weigh fido down too much.
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ball3006 said:
I'll see your barking dogs and flood lights and raise you a running generator.
I remember once a neighbor at a campground starting up his generator and then going for a car ride so he wouldn't have to listen to the racket.:banghead:
molonlabe
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I carry not for the four-legged creatures but the very dangerous two-legged ones. I have had problems at the wilderness trailheads in California that made a believer out of me me. Fortunately I was well armed and no shots were fired. Criminals tend to be a cowardly lot. Hiking magazine right after that did an article in 92 (about)titled “Trouble at the trailhead ” outlining some of the incidents.
I was looking for the post where I specifically talked about it but it is no longer in the database which means my post count is incorrect and it's too long to type again.
I was looking for the post where I specifically talked about it but it is no longer in the database which means my post count is incorrect and it's too long to type again.
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Tough to go anywhere anymore without fear motivating one to carry a weapon .... even here in "The land of the free, and the home of the brave." It seems to me, the good old USA is becoming a 3rd world country, both in productivity and tribal terms. How sad for my grandchildren.
Tough to go anywhere anymore without fear motivating one to carry a weapon .... even here in "The land of the free, and the home of the brave." It seems to me, the good old USA is becoming a 3rd world country, both in productivity and tribal terms. How sad for my grandchildren.
Sistema1927
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Twenty-eight years ago, on my honeymoon in the mountains of eastern Arizona, a wild looking guy came wandering into our campsite. He made a speedy departure when he saw the single-action revolver on my hip.
Two days later, while in town for groceries, we heard that another honeymooning couple had been murdered (stabbed repeatedly) about 1/4 mile from our campsite. I went to the Sheriff's office and gave a description of our visitor, but I am unsure as to whether the murderer was ever apprehended.
Two days later, while in town for groceries, we heard that another honeymooning couple had been murdered (stabbed repeatedly) about 1/4 mile from our campsite. I went to the Sheriff's office and gave a description of our visitor, but I am unsure as to whether the murderer was ever apprehended.
justashooter
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a 26.5mm flare gun makes a nice carry peice in prohibited areas. lethal to 25' for sure.
answerguy
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justashooter said:
Not sure how serious you are about this but that flare gun will get you in just as much trouble as a 'regular' gun.
palerider1
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Mannlicher said:
carry a big gun and be aware of your surroundings.
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answerguy said:
Why is that? Are they prohibited because they are considered some kind of a fire hazard?
A flare gun whether 12ga, 25mm, 26.5mm, or even 37mm is considered a non gun by the ATF and is not subject to the gun controlled act of 68.
Please explain.
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Legal to buy doesn't mean legal to carry.Dark Tranquility said:
Cosmoline
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Good question. I usually keep a rifle nearby and a handgun in the bag. The dog is nice to have along as well, but he's a bed hog and will invariably push me out and take over the sleeping bag by morning.
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