What's your Flux for Lead Pot?

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What's your favorite flux? It's been a LONG time since I cast, but as I remember I got good results with beeswax...

Am rehabing my casting equipment as a contingency should bullets suddenly get tremendously expensive or unavailable if the next administration takes anti-shooting steps... Just in case...
 
A bullet lube I won't use as a lube. Works OK, but I may grab some cheap candles sometime soon, or a brick of parrafin wax.
Casting is good. I need to cast more.
 
I use Marvelux without complaint. Have read about the beeswax/lube working too but haven't really done any casting with it.
 
I use Marvelux, also, and have for many, many years. If you do use some kind of wax for a flux, just light the smoke and most of it will go away and not be so messy.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
I had used beeswax or bullet lube for years with fine results.

Finally switched to Marvelux a couple of years ago.

Seems the result was less smoke, but much more rust on the pot & ladle.

I will probably go back to Beeswax if I live long enough to use up the can of Marvelux.
But I'm almost certain I won't!

rcmodel
 
I give it a stir with a long taper candle (paraffin.) Old motor oil works good too, but it stinks.

Sometimes I add a big pinch of sawdust if the lead is really dirty.
 
Why not.
They are just paraffin wax.

And the paper wouldn't hurt anything either.
It would just add to the smoke and float on top to be skimmed off with the dross.

rcmodel
 
Sawdust. Last time I did a wood working project I put a new bag in the shopvac and hooked it up to the tablesaw. I'd say I'm set for flux until 2029. :)
 
Marvolex is the best product out their. No smoke, very little ordor. You can get a can from Brownells. I think they bought the company out a several years ago.
 
Let's see.....

pieces of old candle
the seal of a bottle of good whiskey (not often, this stuff is mostly reserved for making bullet lube)
sawdust
a piece of hard wood I just stuck in the pot and stirred with
old motor oil
hunks of rubber
paper

There are other stuff too, but I can't think of them right now. As long as it can burn and create carbon as an end product, it seems to work pretty well as a flux. I like the sawdust best though. Simple to use and if it's hardwood sawdust, it's a bit more pleasant when it's burning.

Regards,

Dave
 
If you're fluxing the pot prior to casting and don't want to mess with sawdust then I'd recommend the wooden paint stir sticks. (I use sawdust when smelting). The nice thing about the paint sticks is that you can scrap down the side of your pot and get the carbon down into the bottom of the melt pretty easily AND stir at the same time.

One caveat about them though . . .if you keep them in your garage and heat your garage with an unvented propane heater then watch out when you dip them as they'll contain a ton of moisture and you can get a visit from the Jr. Tinsel fairy! (don't ask me how I know! :) ) If you dip them "slowly" it's not a problem. (I'm working on an ammo can/dessicant to store them for next winter)

FWIW
 
I have not heard of using saw dust. Does it work just like wax for fluxing? Just toss a pinch into the mix? Does it smoke and all that? I am curious, I use a tube of wax now and works great, but does smoke. Lighting the smoke takes care of most of that, but I would like to hear more about the sawdust. I have a whole bucket under the table saw already.

good shooting
 
a lot of people swear by sawdust. i have not tried it myself. still use wax. its too easy to just go inside. get a piece of wax and flux.
 
watch out when you dip them as they'll contain a ton of moisture and you can get a visit from the Jr. Tinsel fairy!

Does he work at the local burn ward? LOL.

If you're fluxing the pot prior to casting and don't want to mess with sawdust then I'd recommend the wooden paint stir sticks.


Yep, I also buy 3/8" hardwood dowels from the hardware store and cut them into 18" or so lengths for flxing as well.


but I would like to hear more about the sawdust.

Just take a palmful of sawdust and drop it into the pot and mix it in real good. It smokes but not too bad and smells like burning wood and leaves a pile of ash on top of the melt. I like it because I have a lot of it and the price is right.:cool:
 
If you're fluxing the pot prior to casting and don't want to mess with sawdust then I'd recommend the wooden paint stir sticks. (I use sawdust when smelting). The nice thing about the paint sticks is that you can scrap down the side of your pot and get the carbon down into the bottom of the melt pretty easily AND stir at the same time.

I buy bundles of wooden spoons at the dollar store to use for stirring my melter. The stir sticks sound better. Thanks.
 
here is the info on the mentioned website:

Sawdust is another material that has been used as a flux for bullet metal, and it has the advantages of both the previous classes of bullet fluxes (it has often been employed in conjunction with oil, but all that does is make fluxing smokier and smellier). Sawdust is also a sacrificial reductant that reduces tin, thereby returning it to the melt (again, reduction is the opposite of oxidation). It also has many building blocks (lignin's, tannins, gallates, etc.) that bind to oxidized metals. Lead, tin and antimony are fairly easy to reduce back to the metallic state, others are not so easy.

Of particular interest to the bullet caster are calcium, aluminum and zinc -- all of which are difficult to reduce and all of which cause casting problems if present in any significant amount (they muck up the surface tension of the alloy and prevent the alloy from filling out the mould properly). As the sawdust chars, it can be thought of as a kind of activated carbon. Both the lignin's of the original sawdust and the oxygenated sites of the activated carbon are very effective at binding metal ions like calcium, aluminum and zinc. Thus, the advantage of sawdust is that it does both jobs, returning the tin to the melt and removing the problematic impurities. Sawdust has the added benefit of being free.

I generally use walnut sawdust, left over from my grip-making activities. Different types of wood are known to give rise to grades of activated carbon with different activities, but whether or not this would make any difference to the bullet caster I don't know (doubtful, any sawdust should work just as well, and some, like cedar, redwood and pine smell awful purty!). A heaping tablespoon is just about right for a 10 lb pot, stirred in thoroughly to begin with and then left in place. Halfway through the pot, the lead-pot is stirred again, this time the activated carbon (dross) is removed. By leaving the charred sawdust on the melt for the first half or so of the casting session, a barrier is formed to slow down the oxidation of the tin, and by removing the charred dross before reaching the bottom, the sequestered impurities are removed before they can sneak through the bottom-pour spout and possibly cause inclusions.

- Glen E. Fryxell

Reprinted on lasc.us by permission of the authors and Sixguns.com

good shooting
 
I know it may sound weird but a mix of about 80% caribou tallow and 20% parafin wax. Hey, it is what I have and I have a lot so that is what I use.
 
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