NineseveN
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Um, I feel kinda left out, I need to go add something funny to mine now... 
Whats your strangest survival item?
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Sam
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A very sharp E Tool.
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Optical Serenity
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So, how long will honey last without needing replacing?
And pantyhose makes a great rolly polly. I can fill up a typical .25 pantyhose with a bunch of little items and it helps not lose things.
Also, as far as caffeine, I agree its important. Does the army really issue these out?
http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/t...ry.ctx=caffeine&backto=/agcatalog/results.tam
And pantyhose makes a great rolly polly. I can fill up a typical .25 pantyhose with a bunch of little items and it helps not lose things.
Also, as far as caffeine, I agree its important. Does the army really issue these out?
http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/t...ry.ctx=caffeine&backto=/agcatalog/results.tam
I always carry one or two needles in my wallet at all times. Some times even have a bit of thread with them, although hardly ever use the thread.
The needles work well for removing slivers-splinters etc. also for cleaning small holes such as the orifice in a carbide lamp.
I push the needles through a section of leather on the inside of the wallet and you have them when ever you may need them
At times I have carried a single edge razor blade with tape over the sharp edge in my wallet. These provide a really sharp edge for delicate work.
Vern
The needles work well for removing slivers-splinters etc. also for cleaning small holes such as the orifice in a carbide lamp.
I push the needles through a section of leather on the inside of the wallet and you have them when ever you may need them
At times I have carried a single edge razor blade with tape over the sharp edge in my wallet. These provide a really sharp edge for delicate work.
Vern
ctdonath
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Then break the caffeine habit BEFORE SHTF. If you're hooked on it to the point that you get severe headaches without it, you've gotten into a voluntary medical ailment that needs treatment pronto.
ctdonath
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Forever. Honey is the ONLY infinite-shelf-life food.
walking arsenal
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What about twinkies?
A P-38 gi style can opener. So small they fit on your keychain and have you ever tried opening a can of food with out a can opener. Impossible, take it from one who has tried. Even a hatchet will not open it easlily.....
I don't really have a bag packed per say but I have all my stuff laying around the room and can be thrown in my rucksack in about 10 minutes, bungie cords are another diffent must. Much easier to make a poncho hooch with bungie cords then with para cord.....
I don't really have a bag packed per say but I have all my stuff laying around the room and can be thrown in my rucksack in about 10 minutes, bungie cords are another diffent must. Much easier to make a poncho hooch with bungie cords then with para cord.....
Optical Serenity
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Cool, I'm going to have to find a small case to put some honey in.
And in my Fatboy I carry a super small sewing kit, it has several needles and like 3 colors of thread.
And in my Fatboy I carry a super small sewing kit, it has several needles and like 3 colors of thread.
The Freeholder
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Manedwolf, do you have a name/source for this?
trickyasafox
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what is a dosimeter?
Stevie-Ray
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Not even close.
Honey - forever
Twinkies - 100,000 years
Optical Serenity
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What does a dosimeter cost?
Manedwolf
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On that dosimeter, this place has one for $100, but that's a lot more than I paid for mine!
Mine was also in new condition, untouched. The case is tightly sealed with a latch, so it even smells new. It was a "special" item that I think Cheaper than Dirt had a few years ago.
http://www.buymilitaria.com/e_german_html/east_german_misc__web_gear_&_more.htm
Each of those steel tubes is about the size of a thick ballpoint pen. There's two sets in mine, purple-ringed 0-500 roentgen and yellow-ringed 0-50 roentgen. You point them at any bright light and look through it, you'll see a black field with a rangefinger-like view, numerical scale and a vertical needle that indicates cumulative dosage. The green box takes two D cells and lets you zero the dosimeters. There's a socket on top, you stick it end-down into the socket, look through it (the box illuminates it), and turn the dial to zero the display. Very well-designed.
Oh, yeah, and as a 21st century retrofit, since it uses a lantern/flashlight bulb for the illuminator, I replaced that with a white-LED refit. Those don't ever burn out.
Mine was also in new condition, untouched. The case is tightly sealed with a latch, so it even smells new. It was a "special" item that I think Cheaper than Dirt had a few years ago.
http://www.buymilitaria.com/e_german_html/east_german_misc__web_gear_&_more.htm
Each of those steel tubes is about the size of a thick ballpoint pen. There's two sets in mine, purple-ringed 0-500 roentgen and yellow-ringed 0-50 roentgen. You point them at any bright light and look through it, you'll see a black field with a rangefinger-like view, numerical scale and a vertical needle that indicates cumulative dosage. The green box takes two D cells and lets you zero the dosimeters. There's a socket on top, you stick it end-down into the socket, look through it (the box illuminates it), and turn the dial to zero the display. Very well-designed.
Oh, yeah, and as a 21st century retrofit, since it uses a lantern/flashlight bulb for the illuminator, I replaced that with a white-LED refit. Those don't ever burn out.
Optical Serenity
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Thanks, thats pretty neat.
Regarding the lint, I got an old pill bottle / medicine bottle and filled it with lint. And let me tell you, you can pack a LOT of lint into one of these bottles.
Regarding the lint, I got an old pill bottle / medicine bottle and filled it with lint. And let me tell you, you can pack a LOT of lint into one of these bottles.
Dosimeteres
Just as an FYI there are some disadvantages to this style of pocket dosimeters.
1. They are fragile. If you drop them even if they do not break they will normally "lose" the reading.
2 They can lose their charge over time ( varies with types ) so you must write the reading down to keep a "permanet" record.
3 They will only show Gammas and X-rays. No Alpha and IIRC no Beta. Since both Alpha and Beta can be more damaging than Gamma the dose shown by these types of devices can be inaccurate.
4 Dosimeters come in differnt ranges and as any measuring tool are not as accurate/usuable at the extreme ends of the measuring range. (For example, measuring the thickness of a piece of paper with a yardstick or the distance between two cities with a micrometer ) I would consider getting a lower range for SHTF bag.
I am still trying to find a light weight radiation detection system/rate meter that would be suitable for a BOB. I was interested int the Nukalart as mentioned in post#58 several years ago but after discussing it with our physicist at work I did not purchase, due to concerns about accuracy problems, after revisting their site I am going to revist the issue with our physcist.
Please not that none of the systems suitable for detecting Alpha, and some Beta are small and lightweight suitable for BOB or cheap. My belief is that any "dirty bomb" would use a nuclide with a strong Gamma componet and not a nuclide that was Alpha or Beta only. I have been told I am wrong but still am not sure either way.
Instead of a dosimeter I would prefer a ratemeter so I can "get outta therer" or go where the least amount is. I really want something for the BOB.
NukemJim
Just as an FYI there are some disadvantages to this style of pocket dosimeters.
1. They are fragile. If you drop them even if they do not break they will normally "lose" the reading.
2 They can lose their charge over time ( varies with types ) so you must write the reading down to keep a "permanet" record.
3 They will only show Gammas and X-rays. No Alpha and IIRC no Beta. Since both Alpha and Beta can be more damaging than Gamma the dose shown by these types of devices can be inaccurate.
4 Dosimeters come in differnt ranges and as any measuring tool are not as accurate/usuable at the extreme ends of the measuring range. (For example, measuring the thickness of a piece of paper with a yardstick or the distance between two cities with a micrometer ) I would consider getting a lower range for SHTF bag.
I am still trying to find a light weight radiation detection system/rate meter that would be suitable for a BOB. I was interested int the Nukalart as mentioned in post#58 several years ago but after discussing it with our physicist at work I did not purchase, due to concerns about accuracy problems, after revisting their site I am going to revist the issue with our physcist.
Please not that none of the systems suitable for detecting Alpha, and some Beta are small and lightweight suitable for BOB or cheap. My belief is that any "dirty bomb" would use a nuclide with a strong Gamma componet and not a nuclide that was Alpha or Beta only. I have been told I am wrong but still am not sure either way.
Instead of a dosimeter I would prefer a ratemeter so I can "get outta therer" or go where the least amount is. I really want something for the BOB.
NukemJim
Manedwolf
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Agreed, why I was pleased with these. They're MUCH more sturdily made than the crappy, cheaply-made cardboard-tube old yellow Civil Defense dosimeters of similar vintage you can find. They also have a soft plastic cap for the end and the pocket clip is very strong. As to Alphas, yes, they can be quite damaging, but tend to need to be inhaled to get in. And I can't think of anything cheap that can detect Alphas, other than a homemade cloud chamber...and that's a little hard to carry around in an emergency.
I tend to be a little leery of stuff made for civilians with circuit boards made by the lowest bidder in China.
When it comes to the hardcore need-it-sturdy need-it-reliable stuff, I try to get things that various governments paid thousands of dollars for new. With the radiological dangers, everyone should also have a bottle of Potassium Iodate, enough for at least a month for everyone in your family..even pets, you can crush some and put it in their food or pill a large dog. It's cheap, harmless, and if there's airborne radioactive iodine, keeps it out of your thyroid.
Optical Serenity
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What is a good source for potassium iodate?
Hemicuda
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I'd have to say my fully equipped machine-shop/garage... replete with 22,000 KW stationary generator... (natural gas powered from a pressure-head well on my property...) since I live in the middle-of-nowhere Michigan, I plan to bug-in...
Edited 'cause I can't type...
Edited 'cause I can't type...
Optical Serenity
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That is a good idea, unfortunately I live pretty close (20 miles) to City of Atlanta. I need to upgrade to an SUV and start decking it out.
tegemu
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I looked through the replies for one of my favorite survival and field tools. A supply of unlubricated condoms. Where condoms were mentioned, it was somewhat in jest. In a small altercation in South East Asia they were invaluable as water proof containers for storing a multitude of stuff. They also worked ideally over a gun muzzle, kept the rain and other contaminants out and when you needed to fire your weapon, just shoot right thru it.
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