"Wheel of Misery" obsolete?

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Hey guys,

Lately I've really been trying to improve my handgun abilities. With my rifle, I can hit a man-sized target from a combat stance at 500 meters 10/10 times with the iron-sights, so I feel like a pretty accomplished rifleman.

Handguns are a totally different story. I can't seem to reliably hit the center of a target at 7 meters, though I never actually miss the target - so I'm accurate enough for self-defense, but I would like to get better, as it's a skill that I would like to have.

I had observed a discussion where many people were touting the merits of the "Wheel of Misery" (image in post), and was thinking of using that to diagnose my shooting problem. I saw another discussion, however, that indicated that these diagrams only applied towards one-handed shooters, and were inadequate for a "combat pistol" stance.

Anyway, what do you guys think would be the best way to improve? Are these shooting wheels a waste of time? Before anyone asks, I have not received any formal training on handguns.

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HK G3,

I think the best way to improve handgun shooting is dry-firing. Over and over and over each night. Do it while watching the news, or a good Zombie movie. Watch that frontsite and pull the trigger repeatedly. Get to the point that you can drop the hammer without the site picture moving.

If your pistol requires protection of the firing pin make sure you buy Snap-Caps of some sort.

As far as the "Wheel of Misery". I am ambivalent. If you are making a reproducible and consistent "Miss", then check with the wheel. If the correction works, great. If not, check with a good coach.
 
I can't seem to reliably hit the center of a target at 7 meters, though I never actually miss the target - so I'm accurate enough for self-defense,

Uh..accurate enough for self-defense means getting a GOOD hit, not just any hit.
 
HM2PAC said:
I think the best way to improve handgun shooting is dry-firing. Over and over and over each night. Do it while watching the news, or a good Zombie movie. Watch that frontsite and pull the trigger repeatedly. Get to the point that you can drop the hammer without the site picture moving.
Actually, this works lots better, if you balance a dime on the front sight.

Object being to not drop the dime due to jerky trigger pull.

After a while, you can get to the point of walking around the house, dry firing, and not lose the dime.


Please follow all safety precautions, of course.
 
Get yourself the following items.
-Firearm of your choice
-Appropriate snap-caps
-Cheap laser pointer/sight (or a boresighter like I use)
-Duct tape
-"Wheel of Misery" target.

After making absolutely sure that the firearm is unloaded, duct tape the laser pointer to the gun (I actually use a boresighter).
Hang the "Wheel of Misery" up and take aim. Begin dryfire practice and watch your little laser dot bounce all over the place.
Eventually develop a technique that causes the little laser dot to stay pretty still.
Clear up the gun, go out and try some live fire practice at the range.

The visible feedback of the bouncing red dot was very useful for me, of course your mileage may vary <grin>.
 
The "Wheel of Misfortune" is just as applicable to 2 handed hold as it is to a one handed hold. Some of the common mistakes it doesn't cover is:
1. Focus on the front sight, not the target. Don't look at your target for holes as you fire.

2. Follow through and bring your sights back on target after every shot.

3. Squeeze the trigger and get a surprise release.

4. Proper sight alignment is a must.

If you can hit the bullseye with 1 hand you can hit with 2. If you can hit it slow fire you should be able to hit on rapid.

There's a saying in shooting: "Shoot large, hit large, shoot small, hit small." Set your targets for the range they're designed for and work at hitting them. If you are shooting at 7 meter's your aim point should be a small 1" or 2.5 cm circle or the "X" in the middle as you should be able to see that. Groups should be measured in sizes less than 2" at that distance.
 
Nalioth wrote:
Actually, this works lots better, if you balance a dime on the front sight.

Well, now I have a new game to play. I may have to balance on the slide rather than on the frontsite.
 
Thanks for the advice.

I actually have practiced a lot of dry-firing, but I think it may have caused me to be far too gentle with the trigger pull? Is that possible?

According to the wheel, most of my shots deviate to the left/down, which is indicative of weak trigger pull?

I think I'll definitely try out the laser idea, since that would clearly demonstrate any superfluous movement during trigger pull.

Would you guys advise keeping both eyes open when shooting? I usually keep my right eye fully open, and really squint with my left eye to the point where it's practically closed, since I'm right eye/hand dominant. I find that if I keep both eyes open, the front sight can become blurry when I'm shooting pretty easily, but maybe my shooting stance could use more work to correct this...

Phil DeGraves said:
Uh..accurate enough for self-defense means getting a GOOD hit, not just any hit.

This is going to sound real mall-ninja-esque, but I can do Mozambique drills in under 1 second and get two in the CoM at least one of which would probably be a lung/heart hit, and always get the head/pelvic girdle shot. I would assume that is adequate? Granted, the better I am, the more likely it is that I'd get a good stopping hit with the adrenaline is flowing should the time ever come, so I feel there's always room to improve regardless of how good/bad someone is. I usually practice on silhoutte targets with a little "X" in the middle, and am just frustrated I can't ever seem to hit that X - I'm always an inch or two ... or 3... off.
 
In your dry-fire practice:
Practice with the left eye/hand.
Practice with the right eye/hand.

Then try practicing with both eyes open and switch the dominant sighting eye depending on which hand is holding the weapon. It takes a while to learn this. But if you do it enough, soon your brain does it automatically.

Another thing that helped me was shooting a .22LR pistol. It's cheap and it's fun. An afternoon costs $13 for Fed Bulk Pack.
 
Are you anywhere in the greater NYC metro area or on Long Island in NY. if so, I'd be happy to accompany you to a range to help you out. If not, I can point you here for some tips:

http://ballseyesboomers.blogspot.com/2007/07/ballseyes-firearms-training-and-tactics_08.html

http://ballseyesboomers.blogspot.com/2007/08/ballseyes-firearms-training-tactics.html

As for dry firing at home, I strongly advise against it unless you have a bullet proof backstop into which to aim as you dry fire. Dry firing while watching television is really something that a responsible shooter should not find himself doing. When you dry fire you should have total concentration on what you are doing, and that would be on dry firing. You should not be distracted by zombies or babes in bikinis. I am surprised that anyone suggested dry firing while also do something else at the same time. There is just too much potential for an accident. The other thing about dry firing is that it is fine if you have a double action revolver or pistol. it is nowhere nearly as effective if you are using a safe action pistol like a Glock where you have to rack the slide after every pull of the trigger, or a single action revolver that has to be cocked each time you pull the trigger. The reason it is not as effective is because you are breaking your grip, breaking your stance, breaking your sight picture to action the handgun.

I find one of the best things you can do to discover your problem is this:

Go to a range with a friend who will observe you shooting from behind and to the strong side. While on the firing line, safely load a semi auto pistol magazine with the maximum capacity of rounds. When you do so, make sure to have two dummy rounds in the mix, and load them randomly into the mag. Then load two more magazines the same way. Mix the mags around so there is virtually no chance you will know when a dummy round is coming. Load the gun. Begin to fire at your target at 7 yards, slow fire, two hand hold, unsupported. Aim as you normally aim, grip the gun as you would normally do so, squeeze the trigger as you normally do so - do things the same as usual as long as you are being safe. When you come to the dummy round, any telltale sign of what you are doing wrong will not only be seen, but it will quite possibly be intensified. As a matter of fact, if one of your problems is jerking the trigger, or if it is anticipating recoil, or if it is heeling, you probably will notice it right away when the hammer falls on a dummy round. It also probably will be so obvious as to amaze you. If not, then an observant partner should be able to tell you what went wrong. After that, keep shooting, this time trying to improve.

To improve your shots here is a simple thing to try, but do not try until you have at least squeezed the trigger on two dummy rounds in one mag. You reload a fresh mag. You draw the weapon or pick it up with proper grip - and as you do so you tell yourself how to do it. You actually mentally/quietly tell yourself each step of how to properly grip it. Then you get your sight picture, but this time as you do you mentally talk to yourself, telling yourself each step of what to do to acquire the proper sight picture. Once the sight picture is acquired you immediately begin to say the word squeeeeeeeeeze to yourself very slowly. Don't say it out loud - just imagine you are saying it and saying it slowly. As you begin to say it, you also begin to actually squeeze the trigger with your trigger finger. If you realize that as you are doing so, you begin to do something wrong, such as grip the pistol too tightly (a sign of this is that your hands are shaking) then relax, loosen your grip, get a sight picture, begin to squeeze the trigger - all the while never stopping to silently tell yourself each and every step in your head. You will probably notice that as you say the word squeeze to yourself, and begin to squeeze the trigger, the gun may fire almost as a surprise. If it does, and if your sight picture and grip were correct you can be pretty darned certain that the shot will be dead on target.

Remember that the two other mags you loaded had dummy rounds in them too. If you followed the above instructions and actually got it right, then when the hammer falls on those dummy rounds, you will very likely notice a marked improvement over the earlier hits on the dummies. If you practice this over and over again with a reliably accurate handgun and proper ammunition, your shooting will improve so long as you indeed have the proper grip, have the proper sight picture, and use a proper trigger squeeze.


At 7 yards you can usually get groups as tight or tighter than this if you get it all together: http://bp2.blogger.com/_qJILF0zyFzU/SDh8H-KpElI/AAAAAAAAAmA/0WHSpgv0Fho/s320/ortgies

All the best,
GB
 
The problem with these "wheels of misery" is that they only focus on what you may be doing wrong. I've found it more useful to get students to just focus on doing everything right.

The first principle of accurate shooting is trigger control: a smooth, press straight back on the trigger with only the trigger finger moving. Maintain your focus on the front sight as you press the trigger, increasing pressure on the trigger until the shot breaks. Don't try to predict exactly when the gun will go off nor try to cause the shot to break at a particular moment. This is what Jeff Cooper called the "surprise break."

BY keeping focus on the front sight and increasing pressure on the trigger until the gun essentially shoots itself, you don’t anticipate the shot breaking. But if you try to make the shot break at that one instant in time when everything seem steady and aligned, you usually wind up jerking the trigger. Of course the gun will wobble some on the target. Try not to worry about the wobble and don’t worry about trying to keep the sight aligned on a single point. Just let the front sight be somewhere in a small, imaginary box in the center of the target.

Also, work on follow through. Be aware of where on the target the front sight is as the shot breaks and watch the front sight lift off that point as the gun recoils – all the time maintaining focus on the front sight.

Also, while practice in very important, remember that practice doesn’t make perfect. It’s “PERFECT practice makes perfect.” More frequent practice shooting fewer rounds, but concentrating hard on what you’re doing, will be more productive than less frequent, higher round count practice.

Practice deliberately, making every shot count, to program good habits and muscle memory. Dry practice is very helpful. You just want to triple check that the gun is not loaded, and there should be no ammunition anywhere around. When engaging in dry practice, religiously follow Rule 2 - Never Let Your Muzzle Cover Anything You Are Not Willing To Destroy." As you dry fire, you want to reach the point where you can't see any movement of the sight as the sear releases and the hammer falls.

Finally, some instruction is always a good idea. I try to take classes from time to time; and I always learn something new.

Think: front sight, press, surprise.
 
The best advice that I can give you is to find a competent instructor and have them work with you. As a primer, try some drills. If you are shooting a revolver, load two, skip two, load one. Spin the cylinder and close it with your eyes closed. That will point out if you are flinching or mashing the trigger. You can do the same thing with semi autos, but you will need to have someone else load the mags for you- or reload some dummies with no powder or primers and mix them in with daily practice ammo.

BTW- stringing low and left is usually either mashing or anticipating recoil.
 
Go to a range with a friend who will observe you shooting from behind and to the strong side. While on the firing line, safely load a semi auto pistol magazine with the maximum capacity of rounds. When you do so, make sure to have two dummy rounds in the mix, and load them randomly into the mag. Then load two more magazines the same way. Mix the mags around so there is virtually no chance you will know when a dummy round is coming. Load the gun. Begin to fire at your target at 7 yards, slow fire, two hand hold, unsupported. Aim as you normally aim, grip the gun as you would normally do so, squeeze the trigger as you normally do so - do things the same as usual as long as you are being safe. When you come to the dummy round, any telltale sign of what you are doing wrong will not only be seen, but it will quite possibly be intensified. As a matter of fact, if one of your problems is jerking the trigger, or if it is anticipating recoil, or if it is heeling, you probably will notice it right away when the hammer falls on a dummy round. It also probably will be so obvious as to amaze you. If not, then an observant partner should be able to tell you what went wrong. After that, keep shooting, this time trying to improve.

To me that's the best advice for practice. Everytime I go to the range I pre-load one or two magazines with dummy rounds. I load them the day I shoot so when I go back, (1 or 2 weeks). I have no clue which of the 5 magazines have the dummy rounds.

Every handgun I own are SA XD's with no modifications, so the trigger pull is the same with each one. As I shoot I concentrate on the front sight and the target. When the first shot is fired I keep the trigger depressed all the way. As I recover from the recoil and align the target I ease the trigger until I "hear/feel" the click. That way I don't have to worry about the travel on the trigger.
 
You are target shooting with a combat gun.

Try combat shooting with it.

Don't worry about your first shot, worry about the second shot. It should come out of the barrel within .25 seconds of the first shot.

Shoot an IDPA match and while there make friends with the old guys who sit around a BS between strings. Chances are they have forgotten more than you will ever learn.

I've been shooting IDPA for years and rarely aim, but can get hits at COM at an amazing rate. I recently had 12 shots that 10 hit COM in 4.7 seconds. I don't think I ever saw the sights.

That's draw to done in 4.7 seconds. And, oh yeah, it included a reload.

A combat handgun is not a sniper rifle. The biggest issue I see is people overthinking what they are doing. Point, shoot, move on.

Don't try to bull's eye shoot with a combat gun. It'll just make you crazy.
 
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