When SPD brought a semiautomatic assault rifle to protest, what were they expecting

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When SPD brought a semiautomatic assault rifle to a downtown protest, what were they expecting?

by Philip Dawdy


"The AR-15 is the semiautomatic civilian version of the fully automatic M-16. Seattle police have about 100 of them."

Protesters gathered in downtown Seattle on June 2 to call attention to the seemingly secretive Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit (LEIU), which was holding a conference in town, and to make noise about what they see as creeping police statism in America. What protesters got, in two instances, was overkill by law enforcement that many say proved their point.
In one case, an activist videotaped a Seattle police officer toting a machine gun at the initially peaceful demonstration—an object no one Seattle Weekly talked to can remember seeing at recent Seattle protests. In the other case, a protester suffered a head injury, allegedly at the hands of Seattle police officers, and says she did not get sufficient medical attention.

IN RECENT YEARS, police around the country have turned to the AR-15 family of semiautomatic assault rifles, largely as a reaction to an infamous North Hollywood, Calif., bank robbery, when the would-be robbers used assault weapons to pin down cops who were armed with little more than handguns and shotguns. The AR-15 is the civilian version of the military's fully automatic M-16. It's an accurate, reliable weapon, with a much greater range than service pistols, which lose much of their accuracy beyond 25 yards. Seattle police have about 100 AR-15s and issue them to officers with special training; the weapons were first deployed in 1998.

So why would a Seattle police officer have an assault rifle at a street demonstration involving 500 protesters? Did police have intelligence about an armed person in the crowd? Why have one at this event when assault rifles have not been visible at protests of the past?

Jim Pugel, an assistant chief of police, says the weapons have, in fact, been at protests for several years. "It's not a new policy. They've always been around," usually out of sight, says Pugel. The AR-15 is necessary on the scene in case a weapon appears in the crowd or if there is an armed threat against a police officer, he says. There was no specific intelligence that called for the AR-15-toting SWAT sergeant to be more visible at the June 2 protest, and Pugel doesn't expect to see the weapon play a very visible role at future protests. "You're not going to see 20 officers in crowd control with these darn things," he says.

For its part, Mayor Greg Nickels' office initially responded with laughter when asked to comment on the presence of the AR-15 at the protest. "I'm not going to have the mayor comment on a police operational matter," said Marianne Bichsel, a spokesperson for the mayor's office.

When it was pointed out that a cop carrying such a weapon at a lawful gathering was a rather potent symbol of the very thing protesters allege—an increasing militarization of police—Bichsel questioned whether there had even been an officer carrying an assault rifle. Seattle Weekly e-mailed her a still picture from video shot by an activist, lawyer Paul Richmond, which clearly shows an officer holding an AR-15. Bichsel later amended her statement to say that Nickels was "very pleased" with how police handled the protest, citing flag burnings, among other things, as justification for the police's forceful response. (Flag burning is constitutionally protected free speech.)

FEW OTHERS ARE quite so sanguine. "That's a big problem, police carrying machine guns," says City Council member Nick Licata, who plans to write police Chief Gil Kerlikowske about the matter. Says Larry Gossett, a King County Council member: "It's absurd and uncalled for. Whoever is responsible for making that decision to send that kind of armory out onto the streets needs to be held accountable."

Don van Blaricom, former police chief of Bellevue, says he's puzzled as to why police would turn out with an assault rifle at a protest. "That's certainly not a crowd-control weapon," says van Blaricom, who now is a law-enforcement consultant. "It's certainly not something you use on crowds. You'd want some intelligence to indicate persons in the crowd are likely to be armed, or I don't know why you'd use it."

Jackie Helfgott, an associate professor of criminal justice at Seattle University, says that, on one level, she can understand why police would turn out with an assault rifle if they were concerned about a repeat of Seattle's massive 1999 World Trade Organization protest or the rowdy Mardi Gras incident of 2001, in which one person was beaten to death. Indeed, the June 2 protest got rowdy (who's to blame is a matter of debate), but police had no need for bullets. And Helfgott has her doubts about displaying such firepower. "It adds this element of danger and raises this question: Is this a necessary display of force in a community?" Helfgott says.

Also searching for answers is Laurel Smith, 21, an organizer with the International Longshore and Warehouse Union in Olympia. She was at the June 2 protest and would like to know why, as she alleges, she suffered a head injury at the hands of police and, later, while in a confused daze, was discharged from jail.

Around 8:30 p.m. that evening, police opened up on protesters with a fusillade of pepper spray and nonlethal grenades in front of the Red Lion Hotel on Fifth Avenue. Soon after, cops pushed protesters away from the hotel to Union Street.

Somewhere in the melee that ensued, Seattle police allege that Smith approached an officer and spit on his safety glasses and left arm, according to a police incident report. Smith was taken to the ground, the report says, but tucked her hands under her torso. An officer was able to extract them. Smith was arrested and charged with assault and obstructing a public-safety officer, both misdemeanors, and transported to the King County Jail.

Smith also was pepper-sprayed, she says. She declined to answer questions about circumstances surrounding her arrest except to say, "No provocation on my part deserved what happened to me."

What makes this arrest unusual is that Smith wound up with a head injury and contusions to her skull, according to medical records. Smith, who says she's never been arrested before, says that police repeatedly slammed her head against the pavement while placing her under arrest and that she briefly blacked out. She says she suffered a concussion as a result and bled from her forehead. At the jail, she says she was not examined by a nurse until several hours after she was booked—and only after she made repeated demands for medical attention. The nurse, she says, told her she didn't have a concussion and that she should take some aspirin.

At 3:30 a.m., Smith was released from jail. She says she spent the next several hours wandering around downtown and Capitol Hill in what she calls a concussed daze. When she later returned to Olympia, she went to the emergency room at Capital Medical Center, where Constance Vasek, an emergency-room physician, examined her. In her report, Vasek wrote that Smith had a "closed" head injury, multiple contusions, and several scrapes elsewhere on her body. Vasek attributed the head injury to a blow from a police baton.

Seattle police Capt. Mike Sanford, incident commander at the protest, said he had no information about how Smith could have been injured. Typically, when police use force in making an arrest, a supervising sergeant fills out a use-of-force report. Sanford says no report was filed in Smith's case and that, based on what he knew, the level of force used on Smith was "typical."

Parker McLaughlin, a friend of Smith's who witnessed her arrest, says that he saw police dragging her by her ankles along the street.

HOW MUCH CARE Smith received at the King County Jail is not clear. Jail officials insist that everyone gets standard medical screening before being placed in a cell. If they require further attention, a nurse sees them. "That absolutely did not happen," says Smith. "I was taken directly to a cell. Other women were making a fuss over me, saying, 'There's something wrong with that girl in the cell.'"

Citing confidentiality laws, Bette Pine, interim director of corrections health care for King County, wouldn't answer questions about what examination Smith received or how one of her nurses missed what was later diagnosed as a head injury.

Smith was to appear in King County Municipal Court on Tuesday, June 17.
 
Stupid liberal wussies

But, but, don't you understand..........................seeing those big ol "machine guns" made them feel bad.

Now apologize.:rolleyes:
 
About a week ago I was at a basketball game....

And I saw a state cop with an AR-15 strapped to his shoulder. The case deflector didn't have a single brass streak, it was as pure as the driven snow.

That means that either:


The state cops know something I don't about how to clean the brass stains off, or

That rifle had never been fired since it left the factory. :what:


Now, I obviously have no problem with big scary guns, they're the only kind I own, but I would like to know that the feller walking around with one knows what he's doing with it. :cuss:
 
The AR-15 is necessary on the scene in case a weapon appears in the crowd or if there is an armed threat against a police officer, he says.
Nah, they have them because they just think they look alot cooler with them. :D

But hey, that's not a problem with me as long as they don't have a problem with me carrying mine around!
 
Here's a letter I wrote to the author, and his response.

Everyone ping him at [email protected] :cuss:



>From: Philip Dawdy <[email protected]>
>To: Brent xxxxxxxx<[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: article re: police armed with AR15s
>Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:25:05 -0700
>
>brent:
>
>thanks. you know that's quite the idea you have there--maybe you ought to
>post it on the indymedia and get people thinking about what kind of
>'theatrical' response they can have toward the police show of force. god
>knows, in sf, they'd probably show up at the next protest with mimes totting
>machine guns and doing choreographed moves.
>
>regards
>
>philip
>
>
>
>on 6/19/03 10:55 AM, Brent [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > Your article was really quite refreshing. It seems that perhaps some of the
> > traditionally anti-gun folks at the Seattle Weekly are finally understanding
> > the reason our founding fathers and constitutional framers developed the 2nd
> > Amendment - to provide a resource for resistance to an oppressive
> > government. Undoubtedly, I think we all wish the 1st Amendment was adequate
> > enough.
> >
> > Perhaps its time for local protesting citizenry to march with UNLOADED
> > rifles thru downtown to exercise not only our 1st Amendment rights, but also
> > our 2nd Amendment rights. This may stand as a stark reminder to government
> > (and the city council) that the people will not tolerate oppressive
> > government, and there still remain the checks and balances to deal with
> > them. While some may see this as "radical" or "extremist", it is, after all,
> > perfectly legal and within our rights as Americans.
> >
> > Food for thought.
> > Brent
 
Three things about this story come to mind.

1. Unless the "AR-15" had SELECTIVE FIRE CAPABILITY, AR-15's don't, it wasn't an ASSAULT RIFLE.

2. Unless the rifle had SELECTIVE FIRE CAPABILITY, it wasn't a MACHINE GUN. See item 1 above.

3. It seems that the display of such firearms was also a display of rather questionable taste, not to mention that it also displayed the poorest of judgement, IMHO.
 
"And Helfgott has her doubts about displaying such firepower."

Oh my! I'm sure she'd feel much better if the officer was carrying a 30-06 "deer rifle." Unless, of course, she was shot with it.
 
Folks this is the Seattle Weekly newspaper! Its a free "alternative" newspaper, where the "reporters" all consider themselves columnists, and they load their articles with their own hard left socialist/environmentalist/liberal/radical opinions.

There is no reason to believe that anything in that article is true.
 
So, you can have an AR-15 and feel you should be permitted to carry it anywhere (which I support), but not the cops? More any-port-in-a-storm anti-police BS. Some people need to get a life and forget the traffic ticket they got in high school.:rolleyes:


"Those darn cops! I hate them! They cost me $25! I'll show them! I'll post anti-cop stuff on the internet! I'm unstoppable! I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore! You hear that, you darn cops! I'm going to tear the tags of my pillows! AND my mattress, too! Don't try and stop me! I'm going to return rented videos without rewinding them and strike a blow for freedom! See if I don't! I am one bad mother---what? Oh, nothing, mom! I wasn't calling you..."
 
Some people need to get a life and forget the traffic ticket they got in high school.:rolleyes:

Out of curiousity, do you really think that's what it's all about, or was this an attempt at being sardonic? I'm asking in all honesty. :confused:


(BTW: Do you not see anything even slightly amusing in rifle-toting cops and beaten-up protestors at a protest regarding the militarization of LE and police brutality? Right, wrong, whatever; that's just funny as heck to me... ;) "I'm not brutal and paramilitary! And if you say that again, I'll give you a horizontal butt-stroke in the mouth with my HK!" :D I couldn't make up stuff that good! :) )
 
Boats:

I believe that the problems of/with the militerization of police depts. has been discussed here before, however if you believe that you have something worth while to add, I believe that the problem is serious and becoming more so, then have at it.
 
I do believe that as police departments become more militan it serves to rienforce the US vs. THEM attitude of many cops toward the general public. The thing is, the police and all honest citizens should be on the same side against criminals, and politicians, oh wait same thing, just kidding.
 
Tamara, I have been harrassed by police on several occasions in the past. At one point, stopped by a plainclothes "task force" car and questioned at length about my RELIGION because I had a Pentacle decal on my truck. You think I didn't almost crapped my pants on that one? :confused: How many here have been questioned at length by police, indeed, pulled over by them, for religious haranguing? Didn't get an apology from their chief until I threatened to call the ACLU and then made an enemy by that remark. Finally had to get out of that town. I'll name names, too. Simi Valley, California PD. Somewhere, LAPD has a Field ID/"gang member" card with a description of my tattoos on it because, you know, all gang members are tattoed and all tattoed people are gang members. I've been frisked by cops so many times, some of them handled my private parts more than my doctor. My vehicle had been searched so many times, I just left everything on the floorboards to save time. This after I served my country in the army. This is the treatment I got. Because I had tattoos and long hair. Because I looked "different". Think that's fair? Think that's right? Never collected a day of welfare in my life and they treated me like a POS. "Let me see your arms"---got to check for needle marks. "When's the last time you used meth?" "I don't use meth." BULLSH*T!! Don't lie to me, boy! No one is THAT skinny unless they use crank! Now quit lying!!" Think I feel good about that? I stil cringe when I see cops. But I don't hate them. I don't blame ALL cops for the actions of those thugs. Since I've moved here to Arizona, I've met nothing but great cops. There are cops on this board that are great guys. So, I can't blame all cops for the actions of a few jerks. I think I have a LOT more reason to fear, hate, loathe, mistrust, and despise cops than just about anyone on this board who's complaining about them again and again. But, time passes and it is time to let the past be the past. Check my reply in the Non-Firearms Weapons section about ASPs and see what I say about police. I do not support everything police do. I WILL call them on things. But I keep seeing the same things, over and over, in this forum about "cops are doing this, cops are doing that". Geez, it's freakin' old! I see the same people blasting the cops. You know, lumping everyone into a stereotype is what THOSE BAD COPS DID TO ME. They said, "All tattoed longhairs are druggies!" And that's how I was treated. So, here are folks saying, basically, "All cops are jackboots!" No different than saying "All Mexicans are lazy, all blacks eat watermelon, etc., etc." You should say, "I fear what SOME police are doing". But to lump them all together as "THE cops", why you're no different than the jackboots you claim to be so against.
 
Thank you God, for delivering me - your humble, but unworthy servant - from the liberal swine-dogs that infest New England, and for putting that wonderful moat full of saltwater between me, and the swine-dogs in Seattle.

Amen

P.S. If you so choose to unleash a pestilence and/or plague on the above mentioned swine-dogs; you do so with my full support.
 
Perhaps my statement about carrying UNLOADED rifles in a street protest was misinterpreted by some.

I have no beef with Law Enforcement carrying AR15s, MP5s, AKs, whatever. There are situations that merit those types of weapons. If I were an LEO, I'd certainly want as much firepower as possible. My Seattle Police buddy, Bothell Police buddy, and two Pierce County Sherrif buddies (they're brothers) all share the same sentiment.

However, if government organizations (ie: police, FBI, BATF) are going to have that kind of hardware, so should Joe-Citizen. In fact, I'm pretty sure the Framers intended for us to be able to "outgun" the government. Am I off base here? NO!

Also, before someone dings me on this from another state, it is legal in WA state to walk down the street with an UNLOADED rifle. You will get lots of stares and be questioned by the police who will want to inspect it, but it is legal. Just don't point it at anyone or threaten anyone, or its jail time.

I actually think organizing Northwest gun owners for a peacable arms march thru downtown would be an excellent idea. Let's just make sure they're UNLOADED. :cool:
 
Sir G,

You should say, "I fear what SOME police are doing". But to lump them all together as "THE cops", why you're no different than the jackboots you claim to be so against.

I trust this is the Editorial "You" you're using. ;)

Obviously I don't think all cops are badevilnastyJBT's. I don't even believe most cops are badevilnastyJBT's. Besides, "cops" is such a broad term in the modern lingo; it can be used to describe the friendly Smallville town constable, the Bigcitycounty SERT team, and the ATF's kitten-stomping unit.

I may sometimes say things like "the cops shot Donald Scott to confiscate his ranch", but only because it would be incorrect to say "the Florida Marlins shot Donald Scott to confiscate his ranch" or "the interior decorators shot Donald Scott to confiscate his ranch". I hope most folks can draw the meaning from my words.

(If I'm coming across as a cop-basher, does that mean I need to have Knox Co. tear up my app? ;) )
 
Power is addictive and corrupting.

Cops have quite a bit of power over civilians and some handle it better than others.

I've been treated badly on occasion and I have met some cops that were good ole boys as well.

I agree with the folks that police in general have an us vs them
attitude but haven't they always?

I also agree that if a police officer can carry a loaded AR15 then I should be able to as well.
 
Lets not forget that every time the city of Seattle lets all this liberals gather in one place they either start fires or get into fist fights. It makes perfect sense to me if they want to carry a rifle. Just for the record the only ar-15 varient ive ever seen the SPD carrying is a 9mm.
 
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