When to step in? (Gunshow Etiquette)

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No, not using lethal force or anything.

Some of you may know a force continuum, right? And one of the levels is physical presence.
I guess in a small way, that can be a pretty effective tool when it comes to low end encounters. And I wouldn't underestimate the use of it by any means. Will it help in a situation with a real BG? Probably not. Will it make a really (insert horrid expletive in the form of a noun and adjective here) gunshow browser think twice about how they're treating the next generation to come? Yes, it will.

I was at the gunshow in Portland and dealing with the paperwork buying some bullets. (500 9mm rounds for 40 bucks) When I overheard the conversation between the stall-owners son (who was helping out) and a customer walking by.

Customer: "Hey, what's the barrel lenght of that one there?"
Young'n: "I *believe* it's 27 inches. I could ask.
C: "It's 27. You shouldn't talk about things you don't know."
K: "Uh, sorry."
C: "But you do know it's a CZ?"
K: "I'm not sure."
C: "Yeah, I thought so." (At this time he gives off some sort of dismissive snort)

So, by the time this was happening I was walking a little closer and obviously listening in with some interest. The guy looks at me, as I give a dry snicker, obviously not amused, looks at the poor kid and walks off. My wife was giving him some pretty hard stares, too.

I feel kinda bad chasing off a potential customer or looking like some ID-10T muscling around old men, but I just can't stand for stuff like that.
Now, my real question here is that I understand the way eh treats his potential sellers is his own business, but there is a point at which I felt it morally fitting to step in.
As such, was this justified in gunshow etiquette or is it generally ok to do stuff like that and should I really just keep my head down and my nose in my own business? Is there such a thing in the "unwritten rules" of gunshows?
I know some folks are pretty into their privacy and keeping others out of their business.
 
I generally leave them alone.:evil: (yeah right). Actually I have been asked to leave certain tables cause I will call them on false advertising, rude behavior and such. I was walking by a booth when the guy behind the table starts on this spiel about the turk mauser he had on the table and how 300 was a great deal on one in such condition. The gun was rotten. Stock was about to fall off and had rust and pitting everywhere, and this was just a Turk model 38. I had just bought 3 for 55 bucks a piece that were in fair condition. I called him on it and did it in a loud enough tone to get noticed.
 
I don't know if getting between them is going to change anything. Some people just like to make themselves feel better at the expense of others.

What you might consider, should this happen again, is wait until Mr. obnoxious walks away and then offer the kid some encouragement by letting him know he did nothing wrong.

He admitted his lack of knowledge and offered to get the info requested and that's better than trying to BS his way through life. A kind word can go along way in healing a hurt.
 
This question is really not about guns as much as it is about human nature, but we'll see if we can keep the thread moderately topical.

It's not my job to be Miss Manners nor to try to teach manners to anyone other than my offspring. Having said that, I have been known to intervene (usually politely, once or twice not so much) if someone is behaving abusively across a counter. I will almost always stick around and try to offset the bad behavior, just to try and balance things out and help folk keep their lot in life in perspective.

We need to keep the gun community intact, and IMO that means being willing to help keep it that way by being a decent and empathetic human being to our fellow gunnies.
 
This question is really not about guns as much as it is about human nature, but we'll see if we can keep the thread moderately topical.

Well, I do know that there is a certain etiquette that's unique to gunshows.
I know in a department store I would have flat out called the guy a (female hygiene product) to his face for treating anyone like that in public.
 
When that happens I tell the boy load enough for the customer to hear it " That guy was a real jackass and you are going to have to deal with them in life. You didn't do anything wrong so don't take other peoples meanness as something personal towards you"
Same applies anywhere, from the zoo to Walmart
 
I have intervened in two situations:

1) Dangerously wrong information (wrong caliber, etc.) given
2) Someone is going to be raped on price. During the height of the Obama scare, I tried intervening TWICE on two different occassions to stop a person selling an AR for dirt cheap to the hawk dealers by the front door. One guy was a wounded warrior with a fake leg from the Iraq war, selling an AR, 500 rounds of Wolf 5.56, and 10 mags all for $600!!! I tried to stop him and he ultimately got a little more from the dealer... but I couldn't in good conscience let that happen.
 
"Son, some folks just were born on the wrong side of the bed. Be happy for the folks that aren't jerks and let the ones that are pass on their way through their miserable lives."
 
IMO it's not my business. No one was harmed , no one threatened harm, no one was offered violence. Not my place to get invovled

Further amplification

To make sure my response stays on topic let me add this; I don’t see how the OP interjecting himself into the situation , especially given that the kid’s parent was right there , would accomplish any more than escalating a minor encounter to who knows what.

When I started carrying a gun I gave up the luxury of random interaction w/ strangers. As a permit holder it is absolutely incumbent upon me to consider the possible consequences of my actions. And I doubt very seriously that the troublemaker would have backed down just because I shot of my mouth
 
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I opened this thread assuming it would be the opposite: a seller lying to a customer. It happens all too often. Most of the hawkers i've encountered are simply salesmen, selling product - Not gun enthusiasts who are knowledgeable or thinking about greater good.

Most all the sellers i overhear at gun shows tell lies that border on criminal, IMO. If i were with the OP at the table, i would loudly congratulate the kid on telling the truth, that he wasn't sure. Of course, that gruff fellow might have just had half a dozen interactions with salesmen who were full of it; every coin has two sides.

In general, at gun shows I only give my opinion to strangers when i'm asked.


When I started carrying a gun I gave up the luxury of random interaction w/ strangers.

So when someone says "Hello" you just walk away? What an anti-social way to go through life.
 
Gun shows are almost non existant anymore. Less expensive to buy them on-line. I just go for the atmosphere myself. I don't let the small things bother me.
 
I too would have told the kid he did just what he should have and to ignore the (feminine hygiene product) as he was wrong to act that way.

In cases like the above or price rape or bad info, I will generally try to intervene as unobtrusively as possible. If left no other choice, I will blurt out "yer gettin hosed" or "if you try to shoot that with that it could kill you." The latter for sure as I feel it would be criminal/negligent not to. If the one I am trying to help gets a `tude, I walk away and let him get what he deserves.
 
Really in most cases like the OP, a disapproving look and a pat on the back to the youngin' are all I would do. Ain't no reason to get in the dudes face or nothing and ruin a perfectly good day. The kid needs to learn that there are THOSE types out there.

As for intervening, I would not intervene on the price. I would feel bad for the guy but really any firearm I have sold I hit google and found out what it was worth, what folks were paying for it, etc. It is just due diligence and while i feel for the guy, I would not intervene. The one exception being a vet, IMO intervening on his behalf would be the least I could do for what he did.

The other safety issue, I would definitely speak up. I am not going to have someone get hurt/killed because I would not open my mouth.
 
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