Where are the new CCW laws?

[Prince Yamato]

A little over a week ago, a nutjob kills 31 of his classmates on a college campus. The nation recoils in horror and does... nothing.

After Columbine, politicians couldn't wait to enact new gun control measures.

Now we know that those measure don't work and the country is championing CCW on college campuses and the politicians... do nothing.

To be blunt, why can't I carry on campus yet? Or do I have to wait until another nut job decides to put a couple holes in my peers? Why are the politicians so slow to enact pro-gun legislation?

 

[Lone_Gunman]

There isn't going to be any pro-gun legislation. The best we can hope for is no anti-gun legislation. Whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge doesn't matter; neither side is going to roll back gun laws.

Also, I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I think there is a lot of immaturity on the part of many college students that would make having guns in dorms a potentially dangerous thing. Letting students carry on campus might be OK, but I think that students keeping guns in the communal environment of dorms might be a bad idea. I know I will be flamed about this opinion. I am not really worried about students old enough to get a CCW permit, but there would be a big responsibility keeping the guns out of the hands of younger, immature, or drunk students when the student with the CCW permit isnt carrying it. Thefts in dorms are not uncommon as is, and if someone is known to have a 500 dollar gun in his room, he better have it locked up tight.

I am not totally against the idea, I just think in order for CCW on campus to become a reality, you will have to address these issues with the public at large in order for people to become comfortable with the idea. You can cite the 2nd Amendment all you want and, and go on about how gun-free zones are a Constitutional infringement. I would certainly agree with you on that. But most people don't care as much about the Constitution as the perception of safety.

How would you guns in dorms be secured so that unauthorized people do not have access to them when the CCW holder is not carrying the weapon?

Would you require everyone in the dorm with a gun to have a safe in their room? If so, doesn't that also violate the 2nd Amendment? Some people, myself included, have argued that mandatory locks limit the 2nd Amendment.

Would you not require safes and just accept that a small percentage of immature, drunk, or otherwise bad students will steal or get ahold of someone's unsecured gun and accidentally shoot themselves or someone else?

 

[SKeefe]

Here in SC we have a new bill that would allow permit holders to carry on campus.

http://www.scnow.com/midatlantic/scp/local_news.apx.-content-articles-FMN-2007-04-25-0016.html

 

[scurtis_34471]

The best we can hope for is no new Federal legislation and maybe some state legislation that eliminates some of the no-carry zones.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Also, I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I think there is a lot of immaturity on the part of many college students that would make having guns in dorms a potentially dangerous thing. Letting students carry on campus might be OK, but I think that students keeping guns in the communal environment of dorms might be a bad idea. I know I will be flamed about this opinion. I am not really worried about students old enough to get a CCW permit, but there would be a big responsibility keeping the guns out of the hands of younger, immature, or drunk students when the student with the CCW permit isnt carrying it. Thefts in dorms are not uncommon as is, and if someone is known to have a 500 dollar gun in his room, he better have it locked up tight.

Oh, I agree 100%. I just mean allowing CCW on campus. Guns in dorms could prove problematic, for the exact reasons you've stated (drunk students, immaturity). I'm aiming this more towards the grad students, professors, etc. who are old enough, generally live off-campus, and have their CCWs.

 

[wjustinen]

As a college student

and grandfather I never cease to be amazed at the pro 2A voices who appear to be at least as concerned about all the - largely imaginary - potential dangers presented by the irresponsible or criminal, as they are about the safety of the innocent.

What makes you think for a moment that there are no firearms in college dorms? Possibly the same thing that made my younger brother think kids weren't bring guns to the Canadian high school in which he teaches. In his case, the assumption that no one telling him about it meant it wasn't happening. Apparently the school administration didn't want to alarm faculty and staff.

I'm reminded of the comment one of our newspaper editors made to me after the murders at the Polytech in Montreal - my daughter was attending college at the time and I was concerned about her safety - "there is no way I'd trust an 18 year old girlwith a gun." The victims at the Polytech were mostly female students.

The criminal and the irresponsible are best handled by removing them from society, after they have encountered potential victims with the proper training and tools.

 

[.cheese.]

I spoke to my college which is private and when I even mentioned the notion of them changing their policy to allow CCW (it's technically legal - but you'd get expelled right now) - they more or less laughed at me and thought I was joking.

Since the incident security has been beefed up.... - with D licensed guards! (the lowest level - unarmed, trained simply to call for help if something happens). However, I have noticed a bunch of other things. Some girl was barred from campus the other day and an email with her photo was sent out saying to call campus security if you see this girl because she'd be criminally trespassing (by the way - she's a graduate student at the school), and I think the school is scrutinizing all of us.

The other day in class I saw a presentation where a group made a video that included a fake police officer (one of the students) carrying a paintball gun and doing a raid of a house for digital piracy, then pointing the gun at the "perp" (finger on the trigger) as he explained that piracy is illegal. The officer's name was "Officer Hardass"

Everybody laughed when this was going on..... but when at the end we were allowed to make comments, and I jokingly said, "Well I think Officer Hardass needs to review his force continuum to be quite honest. He also needs to go back to academy and relearn how to handle his firearm safely."

Who in the class gets the stares as being "that weird guy"? Me of course. Nobody blinks when a video makes a mockery of officers and excessive force and unsafe and reckless handling of what was supposed to be a firearm - but oh no.... somebody chimes in who actually knows what the hell they're talking about and it's all of a sudden I'm scrutinized (when my position was pro-safety).... but apparently it's scary for somebody to actually know anything about guns.

Thankfully the class ends in about two days.

 

[thexrayboy]

There isn't going to be any pro-gun legislation. The best we can hope for is no anti-gun legislation. Whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge doesn't matter; neither side is going to roll back gun laws.

I must agree with the above statement. The chances of any meaningful pro gun activity at the national level currently is poor at best. The only reason we have not seen a plethora of new anti gun bills ( aside from the usual crap from loons like McCarthy) is the Dems are waiting till 08 to see if they can grab the trifecta, both houses plus the white house. If that happens I think we will see a virtual avalanche of anti gun laws being proposed. Right now the nefarioius libs are blowing a smoke screen, they say gun control
is a non issue, not on the agenda. THEY LIE! They just won't talk about it in public. They learned from 94 that they can't take a
public stand against guns without paying a price. From now on anti gun activities will take place in back rooms, private dealings and
out of sight. The libs in power still want to disarm us, they just want to do it without losing those cushy seats in congress.

At this point in time we must concentrate our efforts in two areas. Local and state level legislation that can ease restrictions are still doable in many locales. We must also work hard to make sure that many of the newer Dems in office realize that just because the hard core socialists at the center of the Democratic party tell them to vote against the 2A they don't have to blindly play follow the leader. Pollys must realize that no matter what party they profess to an anti 2A vote can cost them their office.

 

[jpk1md]

The only reason that there won't be any Pro 2A Legislation is if folks turn into Surrender Monkeys and stop pressuring their legislators to sponsor their bills.

Get off your A$$es and call your Senators/Representatives to request that they sponsor your bill!!!!!!

This is NOT the time to roll over and die.....you've been watching too much MSM.

 

[El Tejon]

Should not the question be: What are YOU doing to advocate for the laws you seek?