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"Where Democrats proudly own guns"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by K-Romulus, Jun 20, 2006.

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  1. K-Romulus

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    Hoo, boy! Time for another one of "those" threads . . .:evil:

    http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/14856809.htm

     
  2. orangelo

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    Apparently he slept right through the 90s.
     
  3. Cosmoline

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    This is similar to Alaska. It was a liberal Democrat who pushed for Vermont carry here. The best case scenario is not one where pro-gun Republicans win, but rather returning to a world where the RKBA is a NON-PARTISAN issue.

    Sadly, the national Democratic party remains under the control of antis. But then again so are a lot of Republican politicos.
     
  4. Mongo the Mutterer

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    Amazing..

    Nussbaum is in Philly, he had to go how far to find a pro-gun Democrat???
     
  5. geekWithA.45

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    Well, I'd encourage more Democrats to follow their lead on the issue, and arrive at some genuine support of the 2nd Amendment.

    At the end of the day, if the Dems stopped being the political champion of the forces of organized gun bigotry, such forces would find themselves politically homeless, relatively powerless, and relegated to the fringe where they belong.

    Dems have a long track record to overcome, and their sincerity will be suspect for quite some time.


    All in all, I'd say that this is more an example of local politicians fitting in with their locale, than the sign of a trend.

    Flipside example: Bloomberg of NYC. (Laying aside the fact that the GOP is a flag of convenience for Bloomberg, shall we write an article about "Where Republicans Proudly Fear Guns?")
     
  6. orangelo

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    Bloomberg isn't a republican, he's an alien from an alternate dimension where black is white and right is wrong. In his mind he believes he has a chance at winning the presidency, that's how out of touch with reality he is.

    http://www.humaneventsonline.com/blog-detail.php?id=15612

    That top 10 list of gun grabbers in the US senate looks like a who's who of the demorat party leadership. If the Ds want to convince normal gun owners they aren't out to screw them, then why are these jokers still calling the shots?
     
  7. Cosmoline

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    Let's not forget the great Republican "Hero" Rudy, who's personally overseen the imposition of the most draconian anti-gun laws and police methods in the US. Plainclothes cops, authorized to stop and even kill anyone they suspect has a firearm. Compared with Rudy, Hillary is barely a threat. Don't get too mired in partisan politics. Enemies are all around us, and friends can be found in unexpected places.
     
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    Man, I love living here.:D
     
  9. TX1911fan

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    While I agree that there are Democrats who are 2A friendly, they are vastly outnumbered by their colleagues and constituents. It simply is not safe to vote for a Democrat JUST because they support the 2A. Now, in a governor's race, or in a state legislature, that may be ok. But on a national level, it is plain crazy to vote for a Dem because you think they'll protect the 2A. Even IF, and its a big if, they have the courage to stand up against their party (which most don't, on both sides), they are so outnumbered as to not matter anyway. I'm much more comfortable with a few Republicans supporting gun control than I am with a few Democrats supporting the 2A.
     
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    Montana is a hard state to pin politicaly, it is both conservative on economic issues, yet very progressive on social issues. There Democrats are much more old fashion liberal, than east coast Dems. I bet it has to do with a large percentage of people who live there once lived in California, or the Midwest. An ex girlfriend who moved from Montana to Mass, stated, most younger Montanans can't wait to leave the state for place like California, or the East coast when they are old enough. There is not enough work, and it is to isolated for them. In the near future Montana and other Western states will become Democrat on the Federal level. One can already see the change from Red to Blue, in every election. Hopefully, they won't turn into Californias. Though I suspect they will in the long run, do to the influx of East coaster and Californians. Maybe if enough old fashion Dems from the western states, can get together and force the Liberal East Coast Dems out of the National Democratic Party.
     
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    *waves*
    Here's a Dem who's RKBA friendly. I likes my guns, and I likes my environment. Yes to assault weapons, no to drilling in Alaska.


    The Democratic Party is, at present, like a big herd of Cats. Impossible to move in a direction and hard to tell who is truly in charge.
    Cosmoline is right about how the RKBA should be a non partisan issue. And that even some Reps have sold out the RKBA.
     
  12. Zen21Tao

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    And I remember another Democrat "unabashed shooter, hunter and gun-fancier... in touch with [his] Old West heritage" :D :

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    The problem I have with getting behind even legitamate pro-gun libs is that their party platform is still anti-gun. At best we can expect pro-gun Democrats to try to ward off their party's anti-gun agenda. On the other hand, the Rublican platform is pro-gun. RINOs are limited as to how far they can stray from party platform beliefs before the rank and file party memebers toss them out of office. The American people have recent voiced where they stand on the 2nd Amendment. Any attempt by a RINO to rebel against the 2nd Amenment would be political suicide.
     
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    Once you get outside of Billings and other bigger cities, that pretty much still is a true picture. Most of my neighbors are even more radical and anti-government than I am - if you can imagine that ;)

    I do know of one widow lady that moved here in the last couple years that doesn't have a gun, though she is thinking about it. Other than that I am not aware of any households in my rural spread-out neighborhood that are unarmed. And I know some grey haired ladies that pack a pistol when hiking.

    OTOH, it was the Democrat controlled state legislature that failed to pass self-defense reform and "Vermont carry" last session (2005). :( So I still take all their "I'm a Democrat and I hunt/own guns" with a grain of salt.:rolleyes:
     
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    Not a big surprise.

    The south was solidly Democratic for decades, and rabidly pro-RKBA. Now the south is solidly Republican, and still pro-RKBA. The south never changed any of its core values as far as I can tell. It's just that the Democratic party moved away from those values.

    The south eventually realized that the Republicans better represented their interests, and if local Democrats in Montana start reflecting the views of the national Democratic party, the same thing will happen there.
     
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    Damn that civil rights movement.
     
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    Once again, the Infernal snowball fight has been postponed to allow for porcine aerial maneuvers. Cosmoline and I are in complete agreement :D
     
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    True, but the problem I have with getting behind conservatives is that while their party is pro-gun, their actions are just lip service. :D
     
  18. Dravur

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    You have to remember, that in Montana, Democrats have to be very conservative to win. Plus, they happened to have one of the most corrupt republican governors the last time around. True montanans are a conservative bunch, but we tend to be classicly liberal when it comes to social issues and somewhat to the environment. Montanan's tend towards environmentalism as a controlled environment. Do no harm, but harvest the trees, etc.

    With the influx of the vapid left from ********** however, a new threat to Montana has developed. The Looney left, like Farmer Ted Turner moved in and proceeded to hork off the real ranchers and farmers in MT. More and more of these loons move to Montana and have really destroyed towns like Bozeman and Missoula. Where once was a friendly old diner, now there is a Bistro, selling Alfalfa Sprouts in Buttsauce. Where once was a Good ole Guns and Fishing shop, now sits an Orvis shop selling $30 flies and fishing waders made from rare baby seals.

    Out in the hinterlands of MT, you can still find the charm of MT. Where your neighbor knows who you are and doors are never locked.

    But Bozeman, it has changed..... and none for the good.
     
  19. Phetro

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    Yeah. I'd like to know who the respondants were exactly. And then I'd like someone to explain why rural areas, with nearly universal gun ownership, have far less crime than cities that ban guns.
     
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    Sadly untrue. GW supported the AWB all along, and Rudy is thinking about a run in '08. He's beloved by millions of Republicans, esp. back east. He's "America's Mayor"--didn't you know that? There are many Republicans at every level who are either fair weather friends of the RKBA or out-and-out enemies of it.

    There's hope yet!
     
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    The south never changed any of its core values as far as I can tell. It's just that the Democratic party moved away from those values. /Qoute

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    Damn that civil rights movement /Quote

    Reply-- Wow...Dirty pool, below the belt, totally un-High Road.

    Quote (Cosmoline):
    Sadly untrue. GW supported the AWB all along, and Rudy is thinking about a run in '08. He's beloved by millions of Republicans, esp. back east. He's "America's Mayor"--didn't you know that? /Quote

    Reply--Right back at you--sadly very untrue. Rudy was in the right place at the right time. His 15 minutes have come and gone. GWB...a lot of us (yours truly included) voted for him twice, and I hate to trot out the "lesser of two evils" card here...but we are not blind to his shortcomings.

    Many of us (I hope) have written our Governors, Representatives, Senators and President to express either our approval or lack thereof. The fact that nearly every one elicts a response (yes I know they are canned) leads me to believe that these efforts are not wasted...unless I am the only one doing it.

    So, may I ask you to spend 15 minutes less today on the 'net, and compose a letter to your elected officials? An email works too...and there is no law against doing both.

    I do both regularly, and the responses I've gotten from my (TX) Representative and both Senators are encouraging. Governor and President, somewhat less so ..:mad:

    PS: Guess I really need to figure out how to "quote" from another member's post...
     
  22. mordechaianiliewicz

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    Montana, along with Eastern Washington, and chunks of Oregon, Idaho, and Wyoming and Colorado, had the phenomena of what I would call "pink libertarianism" in the 50s-90s. Unions (mining and logging) combined with small businesses to create an atmosphere of concern for the small man combined with "do your own thing" social ideas + a "screw the government" attitude bourne of the cowboy spirit.

    With the addition of the Californians to Western cities, and Easterners to the pretty much always leftist Denver, and Leftist since the late 60s early 70s Boulder/Golden area, there is no way of telling if this can continue. People lived in rural and small town Western states for the good Union wages, and minimal regulation on small business. With the destruction of unions, and the increasing of tax and regulation caused by the Cali/Northeast interlopers, what were really cool places to live with very reasonable laws could go the way of states' rights.
     
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    Here's how you quote from my posts, just FYI. Hit the little quote button and insert the text

    Then say:

    "Cosmoline, you are right again."

    That's the best way to do it, I find.
     
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    By no means should either major party be consdiered to have a monopoly on the RKBA, though it seems that the R's tend to be freindlier in office than the D's. That said, you should vote and support (or lack thereof) by candidate, and not party line.

    Zell Miller of Georgia has been a lifelong gun owner and hunter, and he currently is on the NRA board of directors.
     
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    Sorry here in Florida Conservatives' support for gun rights is more than just lip service. Our Republican Governor has recently passed legislation to:

    1. Extended the castle doctrine to public places (stand your ground law)
    2. Protect CCW during state's of emergency.
    3. Allow CCW in state and fed parks
    4. Keep information associated with concealed weapons permit holders private.
    5. Protect the amount of land designated for hunting from being used for other things.


    GW had said prior to '08 he would sigh to renew the AWB "IF" it came to his desk. He was repeatedly called out by libs to urge congress to bring renewal of the AWB to floor to be voted on. But he did absolutely nothing saying that his position is known.
     
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