"Where Democrats proudly own guns"

[SuperNaut]

Watch out.......standing in the middle of the road will get you run over.....

...Or allow me to see the careening S#!7wagon long before it gets to me.

 

[fulloflead]

'Card: Not a big surprise.

The south was solidly Democratic for decades, and rabidly pro-RKBA. Now the south is solidly Republican, and still pro-RKBA. The south never changed any of its core values as far as I can tell. It's just that the Democratic party moved away from those values.

The south eventually realized that the Republicans better represented their interests, and if local Democrats in Montana start reflecting the views of the national Democratic party, the same thing will happen there.

That's a good one. It was all about guns. You've obviously never heard of the Southern Strategy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

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[No_Brakes23]

Montana, along with Eastern Washington, and chunks of Oregon, Idaho, and Wyoming and Colorado, had the phenomena of what I would call "pink libertarianism" in the 50s-90s. Unions (mining and logging) combined with small businesses to create an atmosphere of concern for the small man combined with "do your own thing" social ideas + a "screw the government" attitude bourne of the cowboy spirit.

It would seem to me that the areas that are both Democrat and pro-gun are also "Outdoorsy" places. In fact I bet if you go to Upstate New York and rural California, you will find some pro-gun Dems.

Now I am not a Dem, myself, but it sure would be nice if they would pull their heads out and quit letting the Reps have this one.

Whenever any of my Dem friends start whining about the way our country is headed, I just remind them that the typical Democrats' unhealthy fascination with anti-gun laws is a big part of what got us here. (AWB=Republican Revolution=Republicans making laws now.)

Personally, I think the "Brawny" Dems are a huge help for their party. But how to tell the Kerry's from the real shooters? Voting Record, anyone?

That's a good one. It was all about guns. You've obviously never heard of the Southern Strategy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Wow, you gotta love the spin on that one. So anyone who is not a big brother socialist is a Racist? (By the assertation that promoting states rights is a thinly vieled way of saying you support slavery or oppose civil rights.) Dems have a lot of chutzpah to call anyone racist, considering the era in which they owned the South.

 

[Byron Quick]

Had that been the case the Clinton 1994 gun ban and the hated 10 round magazine limit would still be in place.

You are referring to the AWB that had a sunset in the original bill, I assume? The bill the Republicans had to do NOTHING to repeal? OK, I'll give you that one, friend. But I'll tell you frankly, if I were a Republican I certainly couldn't count that as Republicans acting to preserve RKBA. Not and look myself in the mirror every morning.

The RINO's aren't the ones I have a hard time telling from liberals. It's the ones who want the government to control anything they don't think is proper that look like statist thugs to me. As I said, the only thing the conservatives and liberals disagree on is what areas of my life should be controlled by government and how much control should be applied to this area or that area. Aside from behavior that violates the rights of other citizens, my behavior is between me and God. The liberals AND the conservatives...of whatever party...can keep their hands off of my life. When a politician goes beyond guarding and broadening his constituents' rights to infringing upon and narrowing the scope of those rights...at that point it doesn't matter what party he belongs to or whether he is conservative or liberal. I've another label for the scum-statist thug.

 

[gopguy]

You are referring to the AWB that had a sunset in the original bill, I assume? The bill the Republicans had to do NOTHING to repeal? OK, I'll give you that one, friend. But I'll tell you frankly, if I were a Republican I certainly couldn't count that as Republicans acting to preserve RKBA. Not and look myself in the mirror every morning.

You will have to give me a bit more than that because the only reason that sunset was in there was because the Republicans and the few pro gun dems of 1994 demanded it. As I said before the problem with the current batch of Republicans is they are too timid. The class of House Republicans that was elected in 1994 were undermined by the RINOs in the Senate. I remember Trent Lott making the comment along these lines. "We did not run on the Contract and are not obligated to go along with that.." I knew the moment he was done he had just screwed everything up......and he did. The GOP lost seats every two years after that because the Senate has put the breaks on making progress every chance they get.....This immigration bill supported by both my RINO Senators included.:banghead:

It's the ones who want the government to control anything they don't think is proper that look like statist thugs to me.

We are actually more in agreement here than you would suspect. I embrace a number of libertarian views. However I don't think the Libertarian Party has much of a chance of success. The media ignores them and Neal Bortz seems to be about their only voice out there.