Where do they get young men like this?

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Drjones!

Why don't you give a copy to that poser Ethnic Studies "professor" of yours? Ask him if he can identify the "ethnicity" of those fine young Marines.

If he agrees to read it, watch his face closely. There will be an expression that crosses his face - in the moment that his mind calculates that he will never be worthy of the respect afforded those men - seeing that expression on the face an arrogant rat like him is priceless.
 
Quite a contrast to the "kids" who are deficating on the "streets of san francisco" in protest to the war.
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Any one who believes the Iraq war is not about 911 is still counting chads.
 
Courage, sacrifice, and concern for their fellow-man,always looking out for the other guy...where do you find them? they are every where, not just in the trenches, but that story just has to make you proud (down-right teary eyed too) God Bless em...
 
Ok, I'm biased. I admit it. But this is why I don't mind passing the lead to the current crop of 19-year olds. Men and women.


Martin Savidge of CNN embedded with a Marine infantry battalion was talking with 4 young Marines near his foxhole this morning live on CNN. He had been telling the story of how well the Marines had been looking out for and taking care of him since the war started. He went on to tell about the many hardships the marines had endured since the war began and how they all look after one another.

He turned to the four and said he had cleared it with their commanders and they could use his video phone to call home. The 19 year old Marine next to him asked Martin if he would allow his platoon sergeant to use his call to call his pregnant wife back home whom he had not been able to talk to in three months. A stunned Savidge who was visibly moved by the request shook his head and the young Marine ran off to get the sergeant. Savidge recovered after a few seconds and turned back to the three young Marines still sitting with him and asked which one of them would like to call home first, the Marine closest to him responded with out a moments hesitation "Sir, if is all the same to you we would like to call the parents of a buddy of ours, Lance Cpl Brian Buesing of Cedar Key, Florida who was killed on 3-23-03 near Nasiriya to see how they are doing". At that Martin Savidge totally broke down and was unable to speak. All he could get out before signing off was "where do they get young men like this"

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TFL Survivor

I'm sorry but,

:barf:
 
So, the story of young men in a strange land risking their lives, away from family and friends willing to give their chance at an extremely rare phone call home to another man with a family or with a higher purpose - this makes you puke?

Get therapy.


What makes me really sick is seeing the high moral character of these kids being used to justify an unneeded, stupid and brutal war.

Pay attention.

This article is not about justifying the war. It is about the high caliber of the people serving in our armed forces. Even in a combat zone, their first thought is about who do they know who needs a phone call more than their selves. This is why we have the best military in the world - because we have the best people in the world.

...unneeded...

You need water, oxygen, food and not much else. Most every other thing could be placed in the want category.

Maybe Saddam was only torturing Iraquis - who cares right? They are his people to tortue.

I am an American, and that also makes me a human - just like the people living under Saddam.

Go ask an Iraqi how bad they needed this war. Oh sure - maybe YOU don't need it. Unless I am wrong, you are not fighting in it. You are just a person in America sitting around typing on a computer about how awful it is that Americans (but not you) are in another country fighting people (that you do not know) and freeing the oppressed people of the land (again - you not involved.)

American should intervene when human rights are violated - when we can make a difference. I am glad we are there and I am deeply saddened that we are losing some of our best people - but when I read stories like the one about the lawyer who risked his life and his family to help our POW, I am gratified, because I think he is a credit to his people and I think he shows that the Iraqi people are fundamentally decent humans who deserve to have Saddam removed.

Oh, but it offends you, it offends your eye, God forbid it may even offend your pocket book.


...stupid...

Utterly without basis.

Our cost? 50-80 Billion or so and less people than die in your average plane crash.

What do we gain? Hopefully a grateful group of people - but even if they forget, it is still right to relieve their torment.

We get rid of a madman who loves to play in the devils sand box of chemical and biological weapons. Sure - you can say that there is no evidence that he threatened us, blah blah blah - you know what? I dont care. He can't have them - he does not get one chance - he could and probably would sell them to our enemies - do you even read the news?

...brutal...

Ah yes - brutal.

Let the world see the brutality of our nation - that we spend billions on pinpoint weapons so that we harm as few Iraqis as possible. We could just firebomb the whole city - maybe give them 24 hours and let loose with the cheap and dirty dumb bombs.

Maybe you detest the brutality of our men who shield wounded Iraqi civilians from the Fedayeen soldiers while fighting for a bridge.

Maybe you weep for the poor men who were "only following orders" - the ones who make mothers applaud the executions of their children and husbands.

Our might is focused on those who choose to fight. Our will be done in Iraq as it was in Europe - let Tyrants tremble. Let the rapists and the sadists and the blood thirsty violators of women complain about our "brutality".

Maybe you would be less horrified at the "brutality" if we just left Saddam to run the country the way he sees fit. Maybe then you could calm down and not be so upset by the atrocities perpretrated on your life by our horrible, despotic, evil government.


"Iraq is not a safe place while Saddam Hussein is in power," Mohammad said. "He kills the Iraqi people whenever he wants. I believe the Americans will bring peace and security to the people of Iraq." - Mohammad (aka Pfc Lynch's guardian angel)


Yes, I am sure it has just been hell for you...
 
So, the story of "young men" in a strange land risking their lives, away from family and friends willing to give their chance at an extremely rare phone call home to another man with a family or with a higher purpose - this makes you puke?

Get therapy.

Do you have a really large comic book collection as well?

I'm 23 btw.

"Young men" 5 years younger than me don't know their *** from a hole in the ground. But honestly, do you believe everything you read?
 
Sorry.

No comic books here.

I am totally baffled by your comments.

23 makes you "young". Maybe you are a woman? You use a gender indeterminate handle. If your problem is with my lack of mention of women, then I understand. I think you should get over though.

If it is about something else - clueless.

I am 32. 20 something people make me feel old. I do not wear hip clothes or stay out late or have a cool car or do much anything else I did when I was a "young man".

No claim to actual oldness yet - but you will see in 10 years.
 
The problem with bald-faced, lying propaganda is the damage it does to morale when the truth comes out. I mean the morale of the nation. We're already fighting a war of limited popularity for dubious objectives. I really haven't wanted to use the "V" word, but it's begining to look more and more like...

Ah, yes, of course, Malone. Vietnam. A war started by Democrats. A war ended by a REPUBLICAN.
I'm sure that has something to do with the discussion in your little mind, SG. Perhaps you'll do us the favor of explaining.

Pay attention.

This article is not about justifying the war. It is about the high caliber of the people serving in our armed forces. Even in a combat zone, their first thought is about who do they know who needs a phone call more than their selves. This is why we have the best military in the world - because we have the best people in the world.
You pay attention. My comment was aimed at the discussion around the article, not the article itself. FYI, I happen to agree that we have some mighty fine young people serving right now. But this story sure doesn't do anything to support that, does it? It's a LIE.

Go ask an Iraqi how bad they needed this war. Oh sure - maybe YOU don't need it. Unless I am wrong, you are not fighting in it. You are just a person in America sitting around typing on a computer about how awful it is that Americans (but not you) are in another country fighting people (that you do not know) and freeing the oppressed people of the land (again - you not involved.)

American should intervene when human rights are violated - when we can make a difference. I am glad we are there and I am deeply saddened that we are losing some of our best people - but when I read stories like the one about the lawyer who risked his life and his family to help our POW, I am gratified, because I think he is a credit to his people and I think he shows that the Iraqi people are fundamentally decent humans who deserve to have Saddam removed.
Well, right now, the surprising message we're getting from a lot of Iraqis is they want us to get the Hell out. The reception in Iraq has been very mixed, at best. I doubt the Iraqis share your patronizing attitude that we know what's best for the Iraqis. A lot of good Iraqis see us as an invading force, not as liberators.

What does my involvement have to do with it?

I said I wouldn't get into another discussion of justifications for the war, but I will say I don't think anyone in the world except for an indoctrinated core in this country believes this war is for "liberation" of Iraq.

Our cost? 50-80 Billion or so and less people than die in your average plane crash.
That price estimate is a joke. $75 bil if everything went as expected. Well, it hasn't gone as expected. And that doesn't include the cost of occupation. It doesn't include the cost of added security needed for now on out. A lot of plane-looads of Iraqis have died, or do they count in your estimation?

Let the world see the brutality of our nation - that we spend billions on pinpoint weapons so that we harm as few Iraqis as possible. We could just firebomb the whole city - maybe give them 24 hours and let loose with the cheap and dirty dumb bombs.

Maybe you detest the brutality of our men who shield wounded Iraqi civilians from the Fedayeen soldiers while fighting for a bridge.
I detest all brutality, including children blown up by cluster bombs. I'm not going to argue whether we could do it a lot more brutally than we have. You can thank the anti-war movement for 99% of this care being taken to prevent civilian deaths.

The point isn't whether war is brutal. It's whether the necessary brutality of war is justified. I have still not been convinced that it is.

Our might is focused on those who choose to fight. Our will be done in Iraq as it was in Europe - let Tyrants tremble. Let the rapists and the sadists and the blood thirsty violators of women complain about our "brutality".

Maybe you would be less horrified at the "brutality" if we just left Saddam to run the country the way he sees fit. Maybe then you could calm down and not be so upset by the atrocities perpretrated on your life by our horrible, despotic, evil government.
Does anyone really write like that? Man, that must be a great comic book collection...
 
A lot of good Iraqis see us as an invading force, not as liberators.
How would you know that they are "good" Iraqis? What makes them good? What moral relativism compass are you using to make that assertion? More importantly, how is it that your moral relativist screed always favors socialists, communists, anarchists, and third world barbarians, and never the U.S.A.?
 
1. Knock of the personal attacks. It would seem, judging by post times, that the moment has already passed, but on the off-chance that there is another rejoinder waiting to be made, take it to PM or email.

2. "War of limited popularity?" Last time I checked, scientific public opinion surveys hovered about 70/25/5, with the "pro-war" side leading. Thats pretty popular.

Mike
 
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