Where do they get young men like this?

[Pendragon]

Does anyone really write like that? Man, that must be a great comic book collection...

Yeah - well, I was a drama queen in a past life. What can I say....

Let now retire to our native realities where we both make perfect sense and we are both obvious fools for disagreeing with ourselves.

 

[Leatherneck]

Coronach

Mike: thank you. It's just a bit disgusting to see a thread that began as an uplifting vignette from a stressful war degenerate into gleeful whines that "It's false! It's false!" No matter how stupid or cynical some of the responses were, I still find the story an exemplar of some outstanding young Marines. Sometimes I wonder why certain people are attracted to The High Road and then choose to take the low.

To all: my apologies for posting a false report. Is it true if you believe it to be when you post it?

TC
TFL Survivor

 

[Khornet]

You're right, Malone

when falsehood is used to advance a cause, it's devastating when it's exposed. So, although I found the story believable, I'm glad to know it was a fraud. You have to have the truth, or you don't have anything.

I think our cause is just, and we don't need propaganda to advance it. We MUST admit when we're wrong, and acknowledge when we've been hoodwinked, if we are to ever get anywhere.

 

[Khornet]

When my father's armored unit

was getting ready to assault Manila, in '44 I think, two Filipinas came into camp to sell themselves for food.

Those boys, far from home, no women around, and maybe to die tomorrow: what did they do? They gave the girls their rations, gave them spare articles of clothing, and sent them on their way. They were mortified that someone would think they'd take advantage of the girls.

True story. That's why I found the article believable.

Also see: 'They Still Have It', in the Bowen archives at
www.americasvoices.org

 

[jmbg29]

I think our cause is just, and we don't need propaganda to advance it. We MUST admit when we're wrong, and acknowledge when we've been hoodwinked, if we are to ever get anywhere.

I'm not sure if we are able to say the story is false yet.

The snopes take on this account is that it didn't happen because they searched CNN and found only one filed report from Savidge on that date, and the information in that report is unrelated to what happened in the e-mail account.

Snopes then asked CNN to confirm or deny that Savidge filed the report. CNN said that he did not.

The problem (and it is a huge one) is that the e-mail story isn't about a written report/article like the one referenced in Snopes. The e-mail clearly describes a video clip. In a news cycle running 24/7 I'm sure that there is no one person that is aware of all of the video clips, and their exact content, that have played on CNN. Nor do I believe that an organization like the Clinton News Network would archive a video clip on their website that didn't contain the words failure, quagmire, stalemate, American defeat, babykillers, etc...

When the smoke clears, and Savidge is un-embedded from his unit, and there is time to ask him, you can bet the ranch that smarmy, America-hating, pinko urinalists will be lined up 3-4 city blocks deep to ask him to confirm or deny the story.

Khornet has it right. If it is false, it's wrong to support it. It rang true to me because the people that I served with could sometimes be puerile, and even a little bit pathetic, but when the chips were down, they would follow you into hell if that is what duty called for. Lots of folks that never served think that "we have some mighty fine young people serving right now." When the fact is that the young people that aren't "mighty fine" can be counted on one hand per division.

They say things like:

You can thank the anti-war movement for 99% of this care being taken to prevent civilian deaths.

because they wish to ignore the fact that people in our military seek to find ways to destroy only the enemies means to fight. Greater precision = greater ability to save one's own ***, and one's time spent on the battlefield.

As pointed out in another thread, the only thing that the anti-war movement can be credited with is that it made the war certain, and it causes the fighting (on the part of the Iraqis) to continue.

Saddam merely needed to convince his people that only Bush wanted him to go, and that the rest of America is lining the streets in an effort to topple Bush. The Iraqis know that they would only ever be in the streets with effigies of their maximum leader if they were planning to, or in fact had toppled Hussien already. As such, the only thing the anti-war effort can be credited with, is to cause those poor delusional bastards to keep up the fight until America crumbles. America is never going to crumble. The Iraqis fight in vain. What a pathetic waste. :banghead: