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I own a jewelry shop/gift shop. Much of my clientele is female. A group of 3 middle-aged or so women walked in yesterday. They saw some of the hunting/outdoors mags. I have next to "The Husband's Chair", and one started commenting about how she had seen one hunting mag., and how it was horrible. Then she mentions 'Chris' (I imagine some family member of hers) going hunting, and how it must be 'just like what she saw'. It got me to thinking; does this lady know where the meat she eats comes from:scrutiny:? It's not Happy Hamburger Land, where the plentiful Burger crops grow big and tall. :rolleyes: I'd like for everyone, regardless of sex, race, or belief, to know the values of a time-honored tradition of harvesting game, as did their ancestors. Any thoughts/similar experiences?
 
In my opinion, EVERYONE who eats meat should at least see an animal killed and butchered. THis should help them decide where they stand on the ethics of eating animals.If they disagree with the killing of animals then they should not eat meat at all. I have absolutely no problem with that. This lady I work with eats meat (although sparingly because she doesn't like the taste) but she thinks hunting is some kind of abomination and about hit the roof. What is really upsetting is that you can't reason with people like that. you cant even start to argue, they just won't have it any other way. it is frustrating...anyway i agree with you!
 
Compared to the life led by those animals that provide the protein for purchase at McDonalds, most game animals live a charmed life. Funny, how it has only taken few short decades for many to forget how we barely survived for many centuries and how much the killing/eating of game animal did to get us to where we are today.
 
I don't think it is just limited to females. I've had male friends tell me hunting seems too 'hillbillyish'. I thought, well, our ancestors must have been some hardcore hillbillies, then, seeing how every meal they had, they either hunted, or gathered.
 
Hamburger meat is three "species", McDonalds's , Burger King or Wendy's.

Chickens have a couple of varieties as well; Pop-eye's , Churches and Grammaw's house.

Fish comes from Long John Silvers and Captain D's.


Electricity comes from a light switch on the wall, and natural gas comes from them knobs on the gas stove.

Don't you know? We are civilized society now and we don't have to get dirty or anything, for food, utilities or anything anymore.

*sad ain't it*
 
My neice went through a "hunting is awful" phases in which she just thought killing animals was a terrible thing. So, in discussing this over Thanksgiving lunch, I made her aware that the turkey in her mouth was killed for her, by someone else. I went on to tell her that me killing and eating a deer was no was actually more humane than her eating a burger that came from an animal that someone put to death for her benefit. That put an end to that arguement.

And what people don't realize is that animals and animal populations are far more affected by urban sprawl than by hunting. I have in the past, through a Viewpoint Editorial I wrote that was published in our local paper, challenged animal lovers to stop and think about how their day to day actvities impact animals. How forests have to be cleared for wood with which houses and furniture are built. Even the self-righteous vegetarians never stop to think that for them to have green beans available, land has to be taken from animals so that crops may be grown.
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I'm in an area where I get weird looks when I talk about hunting. The people who think it's unethical have it totally backwards, IMO. I am against tiny 5x5 stalls, etc, for cows, but don't really have a problem with killing animals. I think meat harvested in the wild is much more humane than an animal that was miserable its whole life.
 
I have to agree with all of you that hunting is more humane than raising cattle for slaughter.
For years my dad an my brothers tried to hunt this one property. The husband had no problems with us hunting but the wife was really against it.
Well three year ago she hit a bid doe. It was hit hard an suffering aside the road. she called the cops an had it put down.
She Then thanked the cop an asked him what she could do to prevent that from happening in the future. The cop simply told her that the best thing was to let hunters hunt the wildlife.
Well this year we are finally alowed to hunt there :)
 
john917v

At least MY ancestors were hardcore hillbillies, surviving members of that part of the tree still are, and truth be told even living in Chicagoland I STILL AM. Sure as hell cramps my hillbilly style sometimes though.

I am always amused when the term comes up and the person using it thinks it is somehow demeaning, when a lot of us accept it as a compliment. I think of self reliant, industrious, inventive pioneers with honesty and good values common (sadly not universal) traits.

Proud hillbilly, orig. Washington County VA.
 
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gunna got offen here now ta carry me on down to tha sundries store for a poke a limes and sum Sun Drop to watch 'em Cowboys kick at ol punkin around. (mebbe put a little shine in the Sun Drop too).
 
It's not the way many think it is!

I had (had because she is not related any longer) a female relative who would cringe when I would come in from deer hunting to sit down to Thanksgiving dinner, complete with the turkey and whatever other meat and fixins which were on the table that night.

She had no problem eating meat, in fact her family where she grew up used to raise pigs for ham and chickens for, well, chicken.

Somehow, because I was the person chasing cute little bambie through the woods and killing bambie, I was the #1 Jerk.

Little did she realize just how much time and effort goes into a hunt (why else do they call it HUNTING - duh). Her picture of deer hunting consists of the hunter taking his/her rifle, walking into the edge of the woods, the deer running up to greet the hunter and the hunter just picks out which one will die that day and bang, the deer is dying a horribly-agonizingly slow death.

Sorry to dissapoint some folks, but it certainly doesn't go anywhere near that way. People can deer hunt all their lives (legally, during deer season - I'm not referring to poachers) and they may never see one "legal" deer, much less EVER shoot one.

I saw two does in the past five years during deer season and, since I didn't have a doe stamp, NO MEAT! I was not fortunate to happen to come across a buck with at least one antler 3" in length and at least two points on one antler.

I hunt because I enjoy hunting. If I happen to get a black bear or a (legal) deer in the process, then it made the hunt all the better for me and my family! If I don't get one, I will still go out again next year because I enjoy it.
 
I would venture that most, not all, but most folks against hunting have never suffered for meal thier whole lives.

My mother is not against hunting. But she will not eat venison at all. She HAD to eat it growing up, that's most of what they had to eat.

Me, I'll eat anything once, maybe not twice. If I don't care for it, I don't hunt it. Doesn't mean I'm against that particular type of hunting.

I think it would be great for people who are against hunting to visit the slaughterhouse of their choice. It gives new meaning to the phrase "parts are parts".

Hotdog anyone?
 
I toured through a slaughterhouse once and have also seen the way chickens and beef cattle are housed in the modern meat and egg "factories". Every meat-eater who is opposed to hunting should see those places so they understand where their meat really comes from.

A wild animal that is smart and wily enough will be able to avoid hunters unless they are unlucky. Their senses are sharp because most of their lives are devoted to being alert to the presence of predators.

As a food source, wild game is lower in fat and cholesterol than store-bought meat. With the eradication of predators in many areas, hunting is also necessary to keep animal populations from growing out of control. Hunting also keeps us in touch with the way our ancestors lived on a daily basis.

There are many good arguments to use when talking with thoughtful anti-hunters, but discussing it with full-blown fanatics is a waste of time.
 
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does this lady know where the meat she eats comes from?
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Wull...doesn't meat come from a giant factory where they pack it into plastic and styrofoam?

It's like this red putty made from food coloring and soybeans, right? :what::what::what::what::what::what:
 
I went out hunting on my then-to-be wifes' relative farm our first Thanksgiving together. I came back to the house empty handed and the anti-hunters had (at first) a good laugh at the big bad hunter...Then I explained to them what an excellent hunt that I had had. That being, that I don't have to kill to have a good hunt. Fresh air and autumn sunshine are great in and of themselves. Silence until Grace was said...
 
A former co-worker of mine gave me a hard time about having gone deer hunting and shot a buck.

I said, "Hey, that deer had a great life--right up the last couple of seconds. We should all be so lucky."
 
Bud Tugly wrote

I toured through a slaughterhouse once and have also seen the way chickens and beef cattle are housed in the modern meat and egg "factories". Every meat-eater who is opposed to hunting should see those places so they understand where their meat really comes from.
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Yep, you sure pegged it!

Now...other "opposing persons" need to see how other foods are processed.
I mean, even oranges are not "grocery store orange" on the tree. *snicker*

Oh to see how so much these opposing persons would "respond" to most realities of life from Silk (silk worms) to Cotton, to Oranges, to Veggies, Meat...
Even Water ( water treatment plant tour)...I mean their heads might explode!

*evil light bulb*

Oh we just gotta get the THR Reality Tour cranked up and get some Opposing Persons booked.

First stop, so they can get wool to make a sweater and then cook up leg of lamb...


*evil grin*
 
Last year, or the one before, I talked with this guy who runs a wild animal "rehab" center. I guess he takes in wounded wild animals, animals hit on the side or the road, etc etc... and rehabilitates them in what he says is an environment seperated from human contact. Anyway somehow I got on the subject of hunting and if I can paraphrase what he said: "Hunting is easy, anybody could kill a dear. They are very curious animals, I could just walk up to one in the woods anytime. They will walk right up to you, they are so curious." Well needless to say I am still searching for the woods he speaks of. I have a strong feeling his deer were the ones raised "out of human contact."
I don't know that he was necessarily anti-hunting but he definitely had never tried to walk up to a deer in the woods I hunt.
Just goes to show even the ones who are supposed to know about the wild game don't fully understand hunting. This may not make much sense but all the anti-hunting/anti-gun crap really gets my blood boiling.
Someone said it, and it's true, you can't talk to people like that. I try to be open minded to their views but most times they are close-minded to yours. Argh!
 
I've been gardening this year, first garden since my long ago youth when we took it seriously; as in co-op cannery and 5 acre garden. It gets me to thinking. One of my favorite summer things is a BLT sandwich with my tomatoes and leaf lettuce. I hit on my new standard. If you can produce a BLT sandwich entirely off of your own land then you are somewhat self sufficient. Lemme see, wheat, eggs, hog, tomato, lettuce, the list goes on... I have 50 acres and deer I elect not to shoot. Given a few months to prepare for winter I could run cows. But I am nowhere near close to being able to support myself. Sad how out of touch most people today are. If the food trucks stop coming to the city for 4 days we will be at a state of war. But we out in flyover country are the uncivilized savages. Riiiggght!
 
A gun was probably used to defend the cow herd from wolves, snakes or rustlers. A gun was probably used to kill it. Then you have to kill all the rats [sometimes over a thousand] at the meat packers, some times with a gun because of bait shyness. Even vegans rely on the gun to protect their lettuce. We would not be "kinda free" without the gun. People have got to quit believing what the TV says about guns.
 
In my opinion, EVERYONE who eats meat should at least see an animal killed and butchered. THis should help them decide where they stand on the ethics of eating animals
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I will do you one better, I think everyone needs to clean their own meat at least once. Preferably before the age of ten. Get rid of all the cute little bunny rabbit and Bambi stories.

I like the BLT example Navy Joe. Growing Wheat in Virginia is something you don't see every day. It was not too many years ago, say my fathers boyhood when going out to eat was something people just didn't do unless they lived in the city. Even those with just 1-5 acres made just about everything on their own land. Store bought food is a great labor saver though and the post war generation was flush with cash. Not sure if "easier" is better....
 
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