"Where you have guns, you often have gangs"

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I personally believe Senator Kerry was seriously misinformed on the gun issue, and that his positions on the gun issue arise from ignorance rather than malice. He trusts the gun-ban lobby, knows relatively little about civilian nonhunting firearms or Federal firearms law, and therefore was/is easily manipulated by the Bradyites into supporting outrageous prohibitionist positions. (How many times during the campaign did he talk about outlawing automatic weapons? Obviously he is clueless about the Title 2/Class III provisions of the National Firearms Act...)
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I'm sorry, but that's just false: like most politicians, particularly most socialist politicians, he was and remains well informed on the "gun issue."

What Kerry did during his campaign is known as subterfuge. He intentionally misled some of the public into thinking he was after "only the bad guns." As if there is such a thing as a "bad" gun. But don't let these leftists make you think for a second that they don't know exactly what they're doing.

They know what they're doing, and how hostile to America it is, and how unconstitutional it is. They want you to think otherwise, which is the root cause of their rhetoric appearing misinformed on occasion.
 
"The only thing Kerry hunts is rich widows."
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CORRECT!!
And the only thing he shoots.....is botox.:neener:
 
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Hey, Neil San Diego

See this picture? Is this one of the geese you were referring to? Pretty funny looking. See what happens when we knit-pick?

Duck, duck, duck, GOOSE!!! :neener:
 
Bill Richardson - Governor of New Mexico

He's a Democrat, and from I've read/heard, he's fairly pro-gun, including nice blurbs about him in the NRA's "American Rifleman", etc. His administration saw the implementation of the NM CCW law. I know he enjoys some hunting and shooting himself.
 
Hey, Neil San Diego

That's OK. I thought he had a rifle, and wasn't a full fledged Gun-Grabber. So, did Clinton have a rifle, or a shotgun? I don't remember that photo-op.:eek:
 
Clinton was using a semiauto shotgun for his photo-op duck hunting. Shortly afterward, he made some comments about duck hunting with his "rifle". NRA made alot of hay out of that at the time. I believe he gave up trying to look like one-of-us shortly after that.

Kerry didn't make that same mistake. Although he did some talking about how he deer hunts, crawling around on his belly with his shotgun. :scrutiny:

Neil
 
"Where you have guns, you often have gangs"

Right, that's why I can't swing a dead cat in North Dakota without hitting cryps, bloods, or ms13.:rolleyes:
 
re: Bill Richardson for President

His name has certainly been bandied (sp?) about, and I'm sure he's considering a run, but I don't think he could win the primary... I believe he can be a little too frank and honest (my wife recounts an amusing appearance he made on Charlie Rose) if those are the right words. On the other hand, he may be able to carry the Hispanic vote. I'd like to learn more about him, and see if he can really make an attempt for the office.
 
I can spew words as well...

"Where you have young, poor, disenfranchised people, who have been failed by our socialist 'feel good' public education system for generations, and have been taught that their best chance of being anything other than dirt poor is to become a gangster... you will have gangs. Gangs make money by robery and drug dealing, and defend their territory with stolen weapons. Where's there's one, there will be all three."

Chris's 3 step plan to eliminating 'gun crime'...
1) Close the Dept. of Education. It ain't working. Allow people to put their children in schools where they teach marketable skills, rather than practical relativism and ebonics 101. Most private schools cost much less per student than what we currently spend on public schools anyway, so we can save money at the same time.
2) Arm the victims of crime, so that criminal activities have drastic, immediate consequences. A year in prison is a badge of honor for gangsters... a dead gangster no longer endangers anyone.
3) Shut off welfare. All of it. ADC, Food stamps, HUD, et al. Give people the choice of leaving the ghetto and finding work, or starving.

Or, we could always raise taxes, throw more money into the welfare sinkhole, and eliminate some more of our freedoms so that the sheep feel safe...:banghead:
 
Attourney General Gonzales

I think, first, there were gangs. The gangs got bored, then there were drugs. The drugs became lucrative, then there were guns (to protect sales territory).

I am going to e-mail the Attourney General, and ask which came first, the chicken or the egg?:D That ought to keep him busy for awhile.
 
It's as predictable as the sun rising in the East. A Republican steps on his manhood. Suddenly the True Believers have to jump in with a few licks at a Democrat who was in an election several years ago just so they can draw attention away from the Beloved Party.

Come on guys. Alberto Gonzales is not your friend even if you belong to the Elephant Totem. It should be possible to admit that without parroting Karl's talking points.
 
As I said, he hunts, so he must at least have a rifle. He can't be a total Gun Grabber,
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If it didnt involve something like gun rights, this MIGHT have been funny. Diane Feinstein has a CCW and ostensibly a handgun....guess by your logic she too isn't a gun-grabber? Politicians, particularly Democrats, are well-known for their "do as I say, not as I do" policy, so their personal behavior has little if anything to do with their politics.

As far as the article goes, it's irrelevant to the RKBA. He's right about drugs/gangs/guns being common to one another and is not referencing the 2nd Amendment, but at the same time he's no friend to our cause either.
 
As far as the article goes, it's irrelevant to the RKBA. He's right about drugs/gangs/guns being common to one another and is not referencing the 2nd Amendment, but at the same time he's no friend to our cause either.
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So I guess then the article is off topic, unless enjoying the opportunity to pounce on mention of Gonzalez...trot out those sound bites.
 
SAG0282

If you had read the rest of the posts up there before responding, you would have seen that I was unaware of Kerry's real position. I saw him on the news, hunting, so I figured he might not be too far gone yet. Evidently, I was wrong.

No, I don't consider Dianne Feinstein an anti-Gun Grabber. Are you sure she has a CCW? If so, she certainly has no right to try to take guns away from the rest of us. However, I guess in Senatorland, they think that the word "hypocracy" doesn't apply to them. I'd be willing to bet that even Frank Lautenburg:barf: has a gun. I've already written him several disapproving e-mails. I invited him to take an unannounced ride through nearby Camden, NJ sometime. It's been voted the most dangerous city in the US again this year. I never did get a response. I'm sure if he did, he would be in a limo full of armed security people. Woos.:evil:
 
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I'd have to say that while drugs don't CAUSE gangs, the prohibition of drugs definitely gives the gangs a profit motive and a reason to use violence. The same thing happened during the prohibition of alcohol.
However, the part about "where you have guns you often have gangs" is silly pandering to the gun grabbers. Looking around the United States, almost the exact opposite is true.
Marty
 
No, I don't consider Dianne Feinstein an anti-Gun Grabber. Are you sure she has a CCW? If so, she certainly has no right to try to take guns away from the rest of us.
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As mayor of San Francisco, she pushed through an absolute ban on handguns in the city, that was later struck down.

She has also vowed to ban and confiscate half the guns in our family's gun safe.
 
I'm sorry, but that's just false: like most politicians, particularly most socialist politicians, he was and remains well informed on the "gun issue."

What Kerry did during his campaign is known as subterfuge. He intentionally misled some of the public into thinking he was after "only the bad guns." As if there is such a thing as a "bad" gun. But don't let these leftists make you think for a second that they don't know exactly what they're doing.
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No, I think he was genuinely clueless on the issue, regardless of his feelings on it (and he may be just as idealogically anti as you describe). If he HAD understood the gun issue, he wouldn't have been pandering to 5% of the gun-owning demographic (bird hunters) while demonizing, oh, the other 80%. Purely on pragmatic grounds.

He was gullible on the issue due to ignorance of civilian guns, gun owners, and Federal gun law, and got taken for a ride by the Bradyites. Maybe he liked where they took him, maybe not, but had he understood the issue and the demographics, he would have kept his foot out of his mouth quite a bit more.
 
If you had read the rest of the posts up there before responding, you would have seen that I was unaware of Kerry's real position. I saw him on the news, hunting, so I figured he might not be too far gone yet. Evidently, I was wrong.

No, I don't consider Dianne Feinstein an anti-Gun Grabber. Are you sure she has a CCW? If so, she certainly has no right to try to take guns away from the rest of us. However, I guess in Senatorland, they think that the word "hypocracy" doesn't apply to them. I'd be willing to bet that even Frank Lautenburg has a gun. I've already written him several disapproving e-mails. I invited him to take an unannounced ride through nearby Camden, NJ sometime. It's been voted the most dangerous city in the US again this year. I never did get a response. I'm sure if he did, he would be in a limo full of armed security people. Woos.
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I do not mean this in an offensive or mean way, but if you dont consider Feinstein a gun grabber, then you lack even the most fundamental knowledge of gun politics.

And yes, it is a well-known fact she has a CCW. Whether she currently owns a gun or not is unknown, as she melted one down and made a cross which she presented to the Pope. Presumably though, she still does, which she can carry unlike the unwashed masses that bear the brunt of her hypocrisy and vile brand of socialism.
 
No, I think he was genuinely clueless on the issue, regardless of his feelings on it (and he may be just as idealogically anti as you describe). If he HAD understood the gun issue, he wouldn't have been pandering to 5% of the gun-owning demographic (bird hunters) while demonizing, oh, the other 80%. Purely on pragmatic grounds.

He was gullible on the issue due to ignorance of civilian guns, gun owners, and Federal gun law, and got taken for a ride by the Bradyites. Maybe he liked where they took him, maybe not, but had he understood the issue and the demographics, he would have kept his foot out of his mouth quite a bit more.
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Are you messin' with us? There is no way anyone with any familiarity with gun politics could say this, on EITHER side. Everything Kerry did was a calculated attempt to pander to both sides....just because it didn't work doesn't mean his loss was the product of naivete. He understood perfectly well that nothing he did would make him appealing to the staunch RKBA folks, but to the moderates that arent single-issue voters and/or demonstrate the same ignorance your post does, it was a worthwhile gamble. Kerry strived to be everything to everybody and he worked hard to do just that, without regard for principle or accuracy.
 
Gun Owners of America gave several western Democrats high gun marks. In fact, all 3 candidates for governor in Indiana (Libertarian in addition to the big 2) got pro gun marks from GOA during the last election.
 
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