Which .357 snub, S&W M60 2 1/8" or Ruger SP101 2 1/4"?

Which .357 snub, S&W M60 2 1/8" or Ruger SP101 2 1/4"? Post a Poll

  • Smith and Wesson M60 2 1/8"

    Votes: 67 28.0%
  • Ruger SP101 2 1/4"

    Votes: 147 61.5%
  • Neither, another SNUB would be more appropriate for primary carry

    Votes: 18 7.5%
  • Go spin your cylinder, cowboy; give me semi-auto or give me death

    Votes: 7 2.9%

  • Total voters
    239
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Given the choice, which one .357 snub would you pick? A S&W M60 2 1/8" or a Ruger SP101 2 1/4"? Doesn't have to be current production, it can be an older model if you think that matters. It would be for concealed carry, and probably the main carry weapon. If you care to state why, that would be valuable. If you have a different revolver to suggest, that would be great. I gave the revolver haters some poll options, but let the semi-auto suggestions come in another thread please.

jmm
 
The SP-101 is a bit bulkier than a J-Frame, but for .357 Magnum it's a much better firearm. You can practice all day with powerhouse loads with the Ruger--something I feel is particularly important given the difficulties of overcoming flinching with magnums out of a small revolver.

I like to take my SP-101 to the range with three or four boxes of .357 and just slam five after five after five after five until shooting the full power loads becomes second nature.
 
I was facing this very decision the end of last summer. I chose the Ruger because I got a very nice price on a practically unused 1995 model SP101. Honestly, if I had found the same deal on the model 60 I may have gone that way.

I am extremely satisfied with the Ruger. So much so that it has displaced my SIG P228 as my daily carry gun. Back in January I replaced the factory 14# main spring and 10# trigger return spring with Wolff 10# and 8# springs. I have not had a single malfunction or light strike, and the trigger is now as good as my 1985 S&W 586.

I have been tempted recently by a 2.5" model 19 and a 3" GP100. However, after shooting the SP101 at the range Saturday, I told my shooting buddy, "I would be crazy to replace this gun!"
 
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Are you planning to carry on the belt? Are you planning to stoke them with magnums for defense? If so, I'd probably go with the Ruger if it'll be your only gun. I'm a Smith fan, but I also have an SP-101. I think they're great durable guns for shooting/practicing magnums out of.

If I were to load up with .38 Specials, however, I would personally go with the M60.
 
Well, I have the model 60 2" and love the gun. However, I would like to get a SP101 too at some point, but need to look to a used to save on expenses. What does everyone here have -- the SP DAO for CCW or 3" single/double action? Both look nice, I just worry about the hard trigger I keep hearing about.

My two cents - it depends on what you want to shoot. I think the 60 would conceal better and if you use .38s you'll be fine. But if magnum loads are your preference, get the SP.
 
What does everyone here have -- the SP DAO for CCW or 3" single/double action?
Mine is the 2.25" DA/SA model. I like to have the ability to shoot it SA, though nearly all of my range practice is DA (also, my son prefers shooting it SA). The SP101 is too heavy for pocket carry (where DAO would be needed) making it a belt holster gun. It is easier to find a holster for the traditional hammer model.
 
Are you planning to carry on the belt? Are you planning to stoke them with magnums for defense?

Snubbyman, I had been considering a S&W .38 Special airweight snub, something like a 642/637/etc. I haven't shot one yet, but I think I'd rather have one of those as a BUG, or for when I can't reasonably conceal the larger snubs. I also wanted the option of using magnum loads. Fixed sights were a must.

I haven't decided how I'm going to carry, but it would probably be IWB or shoulder holster.

jmm
 
Get the SP101 if you plan to use a lot of .357. Otherwise it's a toss-up.

The typical box SP101 trigger is kinda rough and heavy. It gets better with use, and there are effective gunsmithing options.

However, unless Smith is somehow earmarking the unusually bad J-frame triggers for my part of the country, I have to say a current S&W is unlikely to offer a better action.

Older Smiths are another story.
 
I'd say go with the Ruger. It's only 3 oz. heavier than an M60, and much more durable. I just got one (with target grey finish) yesterday from a local store. In "used" but nearly unfired condition. The guy at the store said that judging from the condition, it was never fired beyond the factory tests.

Maybe it's just because I don't have much to compare it to, but the trigger on mine feels pretty darn smooth. About 10 pounds DA, 3-4 pounds SA.
 
Sp 101!

The Ruger all the way - althought I have the 3 1/8" bbl .357 configuration.

Gotta admit I'm a bit wimpier than Cosmoline and his 4 boxes of full house magnums range duty :what: . My best is maybe 50 rds of .357 (Silvertips or Golden Sabre) as I usually carry the FBI load in my SP 101.

Great snubby - thats what I'll carry most of the year (admittedly in the summer its more my Mak or P-32) as its soo easy to slip it into a small IWB holster or jacket pocket depending on the season. I may make a conscious effort in the winter to carry my G19/1911/686+ but usually its the SP 101 due to its ease of carry.
 
I own more handguns than i need. Some are like golf clubs or pool cues in that they serve a special purpose and that's the reason they have they have a home. BUT, for carry, my .357, 2 1/4, SP101 feels the best and delivers the most confidence. I like a handgun i can practice with. The weight can be dealt with.
 
For just general carry I prefer the 60 the sp101 seems a little bulkier,but like whats beensaid before the Ruger is a great little shooter I kind of wish I still had the sp101.
 
They're both very very good.

I voted Model 60, but on the condition it's prelock. If it was a choice between modern production guns, SP101 but even then the model 60 would still be a solid choice I couldn't fault anyone for.

They both have their strengths and weaknesses but I think both of them are excellent.
 
if no lock is involved, get the s&w, better trigger pull out of the box. if the s&w has a lock, get the Ruger, while it will take some time to get a s&w like trigger pull from it, it will not have a permenant lock built in it.
 
This is easy for me.There is only one choice as far as I'm concerned. The Ruger SP101. It will handle the constant use of full house magnums and hold up allot better then the Smith.I have some "J " frames. They just can't compare with the SP101's

Ruger Redhawk
 
SP101 for me. 5 years, 50,000+ rounds(99% full-house magnum) , still going strong.

Also while some consider the extra weight of the ruger detrimental, I don't. And here's 3 reasons why:

1. With a quality carry set-up you will hardly notice the difference.
2. The weight helps dampen/control recoil.
3. Worst comes to worst, the ruger is a better "blunt force trauma" instument because of that extra weight.
 
I voted for the Smith because it's easier to carry. But you can't go wrong with the sp101. It's one of the best revolvers I've ever shot. As others have stated already, its a heavy-weight over-built Ruger, so recoil is low and durability is high. If the added weight is not a factor, go with the Ruger.
The Smith is a great gun, though...has a great trigger, and is easier to conceal. But your hand will hurt after an hour (or less) at the range...(Shot one yesterday, hand is still sore).
-David
 
I just picked up a couple of S&W's, a model 60 and a 637.(got a 620 too, but thats not quite a pocket gun :) ) The 60 is a handfull with full house .357's(Federal "low recoil" ha ha ha, yea right!), but its not all that bad. I wouldnt want to shoot it all day, but I have no troubles controlling it, or hitting what I shoot at with it. The 637 using +P's is a lot more fun to shoot and I was actually pleasantly surprised. I was expecting the same type response with it as I got with the 60 due to its light weight, but it was very easy to shoot. I've had a number of Ruger pistols over the years and while they were nice guns for the most part, they all had crappy triggers to a T. Both these new Smiths have very nice triggers, as do all my Smiths. I keep hearing all the crying about the "locks", but I dont see what the big deal is. Yea, they dont look all that great, but I dont use them and I'm not worried about them magically locking themselves up. Everything these days has one. I understand some of the newer guns have some MIM parts, but nothing has taken a dump yet, so I'll have to see on that one.
 
what a good decision to be facing

:DI have well to many jframes if thats possible? my 357s are in stainless. allloy is not 357 and i think thats a good thing it made to be very small and light. I
am sure i could deal with it i am sure but range work would be a nightmare.
that siad if i had to own one gun a 3inch 357 in stainless seems aa very logical choice, I choose teh three in ch for ballistic reasons that extra barrel jumps the veloicty a few hundred feet per second , so says the studies i saw anyway.

I personally find 50 357 hot loads in a model 60 as not a huge deal while i am shooting it but as that guy explained you will get soem twitching and numbness or at least i have and i cant think thats good , probably cause nerve damag over time? but the guns are almost the same weight so i would not choose based on that. I am impressed in that snw has incorporated many of the action tricks into the parts of the gun, whic sadly in the mim you cant do much with but polish, but out of the box triggers , I have to think the smith will indeeed be smoother oiut of the box. I also have noticed ruger triggers in my experience have gotten better fimish work (maybe i have just been fortunate in my test samples but both the sp101 and gp100 and i was like but heavy but smooth and acceptable.

two things come to mind, my jframe 357 will shoot the screws loose , the sight has been red loctited on and i am think of welding it if it fails to stay put this time :rolleyes:. ruger seemingly has a advantage here as its pinned together so less screws. if you have had your sight shoot loose while at the range its a head scrathcer for a few rounds at the least, coming looose in a gun battel very unlikely but might be deadly. usually in that rush your looking at the fornt sight mostly so maybe not a big deal,

smith certainly has teh advantage on stuff you can get for it in the way of holsters and grips and well pretty much everything. I have the hogues and i think i would hate the gun with hot 357s without them, in my view yes,they are that good!. shaped for a better trigger pull as well if you look them over well.

i know this was a one or the other and if so I would probably go with the ruger , as I HATE sending a gun back to factory. I have noticed the jframes ratehr easily in comparison anyway get thier yokes tweaked or ejector rods , i bent one clealy my fault, dropped but waist height to floor, yes it was empty) was i thought rediculous to have bent anything , it probbaly would still have worked but it was hard to open and ratated very off center, my gun shop is stil waiting for the parts to fix it , which is rediculous! sending it in mabye what i am going to do. my wifes jframe was loose from the factory , not unworkable but just generally poor tolerances and they fixed it pretty well for not a penny, so kudos to sith i think they are more responsive to customs and fixes to thier guns.

the one thing I consider a real plus about the sp101 if you read the gun blast article guy is shooting 187 grain hot loads out fo this thing and while i have read about the 125gr bullet in full house, which you dont see out there all that often now by the way as is mentioned. This round puts out a lot of flame (bad for shooter bad for flame cuttting /horrible to titanium/alloy guns in my experience.) now sound is going to be BAD With any 357M and while i accept when life is in danger ear damage is acceptable if you cant avoid it.

few are worse then those 125 gr in a short barrel. i see the magnaports and this may hold the muzzle down, a issue i dont seem to have with my hogue grip combo, a trade off i cant blow out all in the same place with a 38 kframe as fast as i can pull the trigger but you know plenty effective, if you hit someone with a heavy magnum fairly hot load, they are unlikely to ever be a threat again.

i guess i love both but in general i want to carry a scandium light wieght with reasonable but effective 357s if that means down to 450 ft lbs of bullet so be it, i am living a fairly safe life. and i can do minimal practice with jframes and be good with them easy trigger and such. price is a issue here , those are more expensive but well wroth it , in fact i would get a laser on it and deal iwth the recoiil pain, shoot it enough to know you can hit stuff close in and your got the nicest to carry most comfy gun out there.

now if i can only buy one gun , I would rely on that heavy and hot 357s in the sp101 and never worry abot dropping the gun or stretching a frame or tweaking ayoke and such, i am sure they can be damaged but its so much less liekly , they really are built like tanks. i really see them as different guns that both happen to be small framed , one is good for carry the other is a good carry but withouut some trigger work is a bit lacking but not bad enough to say this gun is rock solid and will stand up , its worth the dry firing and spring kits , me teh mor eoi look into it penetration is good :) if you have a bullet heavy eough to break through major bones and go through someone anyway. t me its why 40snw and 45 acp do so well, diameter is a issue but a 357 can open to even larger diameters but in doing so only barely beat out a 230 grain acp fmj with no expension? but heavy and longer barrel it means better pentration and in my view more effective. uh yes in your house defense you need to remembe whats beyond the intruder. but yuou should have a shotgun for that, and to qoute the bof of truth , birdshot is for birds and buckshots is for bad guys smal buckshot seems to do ok. you dont need buckshot that goes through 4 houses . so if only one sp101 and dela iwth a less comfy carry but preferablly , a light jframe in 357 and good ammo but not HOT loads and then you can keep your speeedloders loaded with smae amm and stick em right in your sp101 if need be , but you think your going trouble and need heavy you can deal with a bit mor eweight and have a seriously strong and easy to control 357 putting out serious rounds and your speed loaders are handy with what are probably good eough loads.

well i a not sure if my thoughts resonate but i am wondering how low can you get with this gun in pull weight and kind if irrrittated with the lawyer liability worries, you know no one i know of has successfull y been convicted for having to light a trigger on thier gun , it comes down to was it reasonable to shoot, now gun makers are making sure no one can say the trigger was a hiar trigger but in rela gun shoot out , the poundage is not going tobe felt and will only lead to inaccurate shots that hurt innnocents , instead of the often opposing gang or drug dealer , a thing that makes no sense, adjustaable spring anchor points and better geometry would help woth both gun but i think smith made that action about as good as one can a long long time ago. well enjoy all if someone could let me know how the factory ctc grips work on this gun as far as reducing recoil it would be appreciated. i have a airlite and shoot 38+Ps in it and the ctc grip is great for accuracy but they really suck for recoil . one almost would be just as well served to grab the frame itself. lol its hard polymer and it absorbs nothing , wife hates the gun with those grips on it, hurts her hands an tehy fit well so thast not teh issue , they dont fit mine great but good enough but they just suck something you pay for a 12oz ? or so gun. they are not fun to shoot, but they carry like a dream, pocket holsters are fantastic for low risk life styles , imho
 
what a good decision to be facing

:DI have well to many jframes if thats possible? my 357s are in stainless. allloy is not 357 and i think thats a good thing it made to be very small and light. I
am sure i could deal with it i am sure but range work would be a nightmare.
that siad if i had to own one gun a 3inch 357 in stainless seems aa very logical choice, I choose teh three in ch for ballistic reasons that extra barrel jumps the veloicty a few hundred feet per second , so says the studies i saw anyway.

I personally find 50 357 hot loads in a model 60 as not a huge deal while i am shooting it but as that guy explained you will get soem twitching and numbness or at least i have and i cant think thats good , probably cause nerve damag over time? but the guns are almost the same weight so i would not choose based on that. I am impressed in that snw has incorporated many of the action tricks into the parts of the gun, whic sadly in the mim you cant do much with but polish, but out of the box triggers , I have to think the smith will indeeed be smoother oiut of the box. I also have noticed ruger triggers in my experience have gotten better fimish work (maybe i have just been fortunate in my test samples but both the sp101 and gp100 and i was like but heavy but smooth and acceptable.

two things come to mind, my jframe 357 will shoot the screws loose , the sight has been red loctited on and i am think of welding it if it fails to stay put this time :rolleyes:. ruger seemingly has a advantage here as its pinned together so less screws. if you have had your sight shoot loose while at the range its a head scrathcer for a few rounds at the least, coming looose in a gun battel very unlikely but might be deadly. usually in that rush your looking at the fornt sight mostly so maybe not a big deal,

smith certainly has teh advantage on stuff you can get for it in the way of holsters and grips and well pretty much everything. I have the hogues and i think i would hate the gun with hot 357s without them, in my view yes,they are that good!. shaped for a better trigger pull as well if you look them over well.

i know this was a one or the other and if so I would probably go with the ruger , as I HATE sending a gun back to factory. I have noticed the jframes ratehr easily in comparison anyway get thier yokes tweaked or ejector rods , i bent one clealy my fault, dropped but waist height to floor, yes it was empty) was i thought rediculous to have bent anything , it probbaly would still have worked but it was hard to open and ratated very off center, my gun shop is stil waiting for the parts to fix it , which is rediculous! sending it in mabye what i am going to do. my wifes jframe was loose from the factory , not unworkable but just generally poor tolerances and they fixed it pretty well for not a penny, so kudos to sith i think they are more responsive to customs and fixes to thier guns.

the one thing I consider a real plus about the sp101 if you read the gun blast article guy is shooting 187 grain hot loads out fo this thing and while i have read about the 125gr bullet in full house, which you dont see out there all that often now by the way as is mentioned. This round puts out a lot of flame (bad for shooter bad for flame cuttting /horrible to titanium/alloy guns in my experience.) now sound is going to be BAD With any 357M and while i accept when life is in danger ear damage is acceptable if you cant avoid it.

few are worse then those 125 gr in a short barrel. i see the magnaports and this may hold the muzzle down, a issue i dont seem to have with my hogue grip combo, a trade off i cant blow out all in the same place with a 38 kframe as fast as i can pull the trigger but you know plenty effective, if you hit someone with a heavy magnum fairly hot load, they are unlikely to ever be a threat again.

i guess i love both but in general i want to carry a scandium light wieght with reasonable but effective 357s if that means down to 450 ft lbs of bullet so be it, i am living a fairly safe life. and i can do minimal practice with jframes and be good with them easy trigger and such. price is a issue here , those are more expensive but well wroth it , in fact i would get a laser on it and deal iwth the recoiil pain, shoot it enough to know you can hit stuff close in and your got the nicest to carry most comfy gun out there.

now if i can only buy one gun , I would rely on that heavy and hot 357s in the sp101 and never worry abot dropping the gun or stretching a frame or tweaking ayoke and such, i am sure they can be damaged but its so much less liekly , they really are built like tanks. i really see them as different guns that both happen to be small framed , one is good for carry the other is a good carry but withouut some trigger work is a bit lacking but not bad enough to say this gun is rock solid and will stand up , its worth the dry firing and spring kits , me teh mor eoi look into it penetration is good :) if you have a bullet heavy eough to break through major bones and go through someone anyway. t me its why 40snw and 45 acp do so well, diameter is a issue but a 357 can open to even larger diameters but in doing so only barely beat out a 230 grain acp fmj with no expension? but heavy and longer barrel it means better pentration and in my view more effective. uh yes in your house defense you need to remembe whats beyond the intruder. but yuou should have a shotgun for that, and to qoute the bof of truth , birdshot is for birds and buckshots is for bad guys smal buckshot seems to do ok. you dont need buckshot that goes through 4 houses . so if only one sp101 and dela iwth a less comfy carry but preferablly , a light jframe in 357 and good ammo but not HOT loads and then you can keep your speeedloders loaded with smae amm and stick em right in your sp101 if need be , but you think your going trouble and need heavy you can deal with a bit mor eweight and have a seriously strong and easy to control 357 putting out serious rounds and your speed loaders are handy with what are probably good eough loads.

well i a not sure if my thoughts resonate but i am wondering how low can you get with this gun in pull weight and kind if irrrittated with the lawyer liability worries, you know no one i know of has successfull y been convicted for having to light a trigger on thier gun , it comes down to was it reasonable to shoot, now gun makers are making sure no one can say the trigger was a hiar trigger but in rela gun shoot out , the poundage is not going tobe felt and will only lead to inaccurate shots that hurt innnocents , instead of the often opposing gang or drug dealer , a thing that makes no sense, adjustaable spring anchor points and better geometry would help woth both gun but i think smith made that action about as good as one can a long long time ago. well enjoy all if someone could let me know how the factory ctc grips work on this gun as far as reducing recoil it would be appreciated. i have a airlite and shoot 38+Ps in it and the ctc grip is great for accuracy but they really suck for recoil . one almost would be just as well served to grab the frame itself. lol its hard polymer and it absorbs nothing , wife hates the gun with those grips on it, hurts her hands an tehy fit well so thast not teh issue , they dont fit mine great but good enough but they just suck something you pay for a 12oz ? or so gun. they are not fun to shoot, but they carry like a dream, pocket holsters are fantastic for low risk life styles , imho

tried by 12 beats carried by 8 :neener:
 
I carry a pair of Revolvers off duty.

The J-Frame goes in my "weak side" pocket to act as a BUG to my Primary, which is a 4" N-Frame. After the New Year I will switch the Primary to a 3" GP100 and keep the J-Frame as a BUG.

I voted for the SP101 because when I carry a .357 Magnum I load it with .357 Magnum rounds and the J-Frame stinks, IMHO, to fire Magnum rounds out of. The SP101 will allow you to fire .357 Magnum rounds with less pain and discomfort, which is a good thing.

I'm on the "lookout" for an SP101 to make my BUG, then I will have ammo commonality between my BUG and Primary. The Airweight J-Frame will then go on my ankle for three guns off duty.

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