Which 6.5 now that lapua makes brass for both?

[MCMXI]

It does sound odd that Lapua would somehow make bad .260 Rem brass. I read a post about Lapua .260 Rem brass not working as well in SAAMI chambers.

A post from November of 2012 on another forum ...

"That is that the case head dimension for the SAAMI is .4738 and the case head dimension for the "Match" is .4723. This is a thou and a half larger for the SAAMI. The new Lapua 260 brass is .4691 at the case head. That is .0047 for expansion. That is an awful lot. So Lapua 260 Rem brass is made for match chambers not SAAMI."

 

[gsbuickman]

How about 6.5 Swedish compared to Creedmoor or Lapua ?

 

[taliv]

6.5 swede has the same problem 260rem does... the rem700 action and AICS/AW style mags are too short

just fyi, one of the best custom action makers is making a new version of their action (and new bottom metal) that is basically just 250 thou longer. a solid magazine company is making mags to go with it. maybe widely available next year. that would allow improved versions of both cartridges (aka the 6.5 swedemoor and the 260AI) to benefit greatly

 

[Varminterror]

A guy has to decide what he wants in his life. Er... His rifle...

Anything we can compare about the 6.5x47, 6.5 creedmoor, or .260rem can be expanded easily, as it has in this thread, then to reach across the short action boundary to 6.5x55swede, and then 6.5-284 (personal fetish cartridge), 6.5-06, 6.5 Gibbs, and then 264win mag, 6.5 Rem mag, or even 6.5-300wby... So we walked away from cartridges pushing 140's at 2700fps and cruised up to about 3,500fps, which is a lot flatter shooting... Who really cares about action lengths, when so many records were set with Winchester 70 or Mauser actions which were way longer than current short action rifles? AI mags and bottom metal are available for long action mag and standard bolt face cartridges... Oh, yeah, now we're talking about 80-90grns of powder instead of 40-45, and talking about considerably more recoil...

Depending upon the competition format, the 6 dasher, 6 or 6.5 XC, or SLR can also hang with the Creedmoor, 260, and x47's just fine, as can the 243win...

So where do you want to draw your line? How fast do you need to push a 105, 115, or 140 for you to feel like you have an edge over the competition? All of these, and many more are right answers to the same question. Some are faster than others, some have better brass life, some are long action, some short... If you're really serious about competition, you're not worrying about chambering reamer specs and SAAMI throat dimensions, or about factory ammo... Pick any one of a half dozen cartridges and you'll win just as many matches as you would have if you pick any of the others. The guys at the top will stay at the top regardless of their headstamp.

 

[taliv]

If you're really serious about competition, you're not worrying about chambering reamer specs and SAAMI throat dimensions, or about factory ammo... Pick any one of a half dozen cartridges and you'll win just as many matches as you would have if you pick any of the others. The guys at the top will stay at the top regardless of their headstamp.

i disagree. it's cliche to say it's the indian not the arrow, and for sure, skill is required, but at the level of competition currently, the little technical details matter. more so for the season than for the match, but still, even in a match

 

[Varminterror]

Where do you make your split? If you consider only the top 100 guys, or top 50 guys in the PRS, as does PRB, then do you propose giving those top 100 their alternative cartridge would knock all 100 of them down below the next 100 guys running 6 or 6.5 creed or Lapua? A few guys have made the finals with multiple cartridges in different seasons - they didn't suddenly fall out of the top 100 simply by changing, nor make it in for doing so.

Also note, there's been a pretty marked shift in which cartridge(s) make up the majority in the top 100 at seasons' end over the last few years, and we still see a split between the creed vs. x47 case, even as we've transitioned to 6mm's from the 6.5's.

The devil is in the details among the top shooters, but despite an overwhelming favor in the top shooters in the PRS for one of 4 cartridges, I'd be hard pressed to believe we'd see a significantly different change in roster compared to that of any given year if you took the top 50 this season, swapped creed cases for x47's and vice versa, and told them to run the opposite next season.

I'm sure there are a few guys in the mix which would jockey around, and I'm sure a few guys would fall several spots and a few guys would move up, but changing cartridges won't make the 100-200th place guys make a jump to the front and make the 1-100th guys fall to the back.

 

[Offfhand]

6.5 swede has the same problem 260rem does... the rem700 action and AICS/AW style mags are too short

The .260 Rem was designed for the Rem. 700 short action. All my .260 rifles are built on short actions and they are perfect!

 

[WelshShooter]

Seeing as I have a rifle in 6.5x47 Lapua, naturally I will tell you how good this calibre is. Compare the 6.5x47 and the 6.5 Creedmoor and there's not an awful lot different between them. I would choose the cartridge based on availability of components and price in your region. At the time of my rifle being built there was almost no availability of 6.5 Creedmoor cases here in the UK, whereas I could import 6.5x47 Lapua cases in from Europe no problem at all. The same applied for dies.

Unfortunately, a few months after my rifle was built the Ruger RPR hit the UK market along with all the reloading components, dies etc for the 6.5 Creedmoor. The Ruger RPR would have been quite a bit cheaper than the rifle I had built for me. Do I regret having a custom build in 6.5x47 Lapua? Absolutely not. This calibre is like a laser beam at 1,000 yards and capable of making hits at 1,350 yards with good judgement on windage. The Creedmoor should therefore also be capable of good performance since they use the same bullets and case capacity is virtually the same and their maximum pressures are also the same (CIP).

 

[taliv]

The .260 Rem was designed for the Rem. 700 short action. All my .260 rifles are built on short actions and they are perfect!

sure, if you're shooting 120g deer hunting projos. it sucks for long VLD profiles

 

[Offfhand]

sure, if you're shooting 120g deer hunting projos. it sucks for long VLD profiles

Sometimes you just gotta' shake your head and wonder how people allow themselves to be so misinformed. Obvious fact is that 139, 140 142 grain bullets are routinely loaded in the .260 and used to win matches. Sherri Gallager won the National Hi Power Championship in 2010 and set a new record with the .260. Short action rifle and long bullets for long range. For further clarification, attached is photo of standard .260 Remington factory load with 140 grain bullet. Needless to say, it fits and functions beautifully in the 700 short action and similar rifles.

 

[Txhillbilly]

Offfhand,Have you ever owned / shot / or loaded for a 6.5 Creedmoor?
I have several 6.5mm rifles that I've built, and I'll choose the 6.5 Creedmoor any day over my 260 Remington and 260 AI for being able to seat bullets to the lands and still be able to load them into a magazine of a factory rifle. I also shoot a 6.5-06,it out performs all of the short action cartridges except the 6.5-284,they are almost equal in performance.

The 260 Remington is a great cartridge,but the 6.5 Creedmoor was designed to overcome the flaws that the 260 has always had when it comes to loading the long / High BC match bullets.

 

[taliv]

Sometimes you just gotta' shake your head and wonder how people allow themselves to be so misinformed. Obvious fact is that 139, 140 142 grain bullets are routinely loaded in the .260 and used to win matches. Sherri Gallager won the National Hi Power Championship in 2010 and set a new record with the .260. Short action rifle and long bullets for long range. For further clarification, attached is photo of standard .260 Remington factory load with 140 grain bullet. Needless to say, it fits and functions beautifully in the 700 short action and similar rifles.

sure. in a match where the rules forbid you to use a magazine, so you can seat the bullet out as long as you want, because you feed it by hand and have a minute per round to shoot without ever even taking your head off the stock.

thanks for making my point, though i fail to see why you posted a pic of a flat based hunting bullet.

and that point is that if you're going to use long high BC bullets in 260rem, you need a longer magazine and longer action

 

[LoonWulf]

Admittedly, the 6.5CM and .260 are identical as far as performance is concerned. I chose the 6.5 because i feels its a better execution of the theme. They look nicer.

If I'm going longer ill go 6.5x284

 

[MtnCreek]

If the trend of heavier bullets continues, the 260 (or another .264 with greater capacity) will eventually come out on top.

 

[DocUSMCRetired]

The 6.5x47L was designed from the ground up to optimize accuracy. The .260 Rem magazine feeding of high performance bullets issue was easily resolved by designing a bullet to fill the gap. The Berger 130 AR Hybrid. Does an absolute fantastic job of making the 260 Rem a 1 mile gun. Look at international competition and the capabilities of the 6.5x47L. You will find its got benchrest accuracy, and a very large accuracy node when loading for it. Lots of records have been set with it.

As far as the comments on the quality of Lapua brass. It speaks for itself. When you look at the gold standard for quality brass, you look at Lapua. It is a well known benchmark, it proves itself just look around at any serious match.

 

[1stmarine]

It does sound odd that Lapua would somehow make bad .260 Rem brass. I read a post about Lapua .260 Rem brass not working as well in SAAMI chambers.

A post from November of 2012 on another forum ...

"That is that the case head dimension for the SAAMI is .4738 and the case head dimension for the "Match" is .4723. This is a thou and a half larger for the SAAMI. The new Lapua 260 brass is .4691 at the case head. That is .0047 for expansion. That is an awful lot. So Lapua 260 Rem brass is made for match chambers not SAAMI."

Perhaps it was an odd ball or bad batch.
I have never had a problem with lapua brass in 260 or any other caliber.
Might see one case here and there but it is very rare compared to other brands.
The 260 caliber is hard to beat to shoot 6.5mm.
A few years ago, Zak smith founder of this forum wrote a very nice piece about the 6.5mm...

http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/