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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, Jul 13, 2008.

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  1. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

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    i know which one id enroll at...
     
  3. Kino74

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    nice one. Now if a university would just offer a range and CCW as a class.
     
  4. Kind of Blued

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    I like what you did with the wrap of the gun with the red circle a lot, Oleg.

    I think people opposed to campus carry would be more open to this under a certain condition. One uninformed complaint I hear often is "How could anybody concentrate if they knew everybody had a gun?"

    The truth is, one or two percent of people would be carrying, and you wouldn't know it when you saw them. This notion is much less "frightening" to anti-carry folks.

    I don't have a suggestion that retains the brevity, however. "Concealed weapons permits acknowledged on campus" would work if it was made to look like a legal, rectangular sign one might see in a perfect world.
     
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    Be nice to see those red stickers on the front doors of businesses who discrimiate against law abiding firearm owners.

    Nice pic, sir!
     
  6. 3KillerBs

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    Nice!

    I know where I'd rather send my teens.
     
  7. CountGlockula

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    I like it!!! Send that over to the University of UT...the one on the left!

    God bless UT.

    Just noticed the Hk USPc used.
     
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    Pfff. He'd pick the one with armed staff and students. How else would he get on campus with the gun in the first place?! :D

    (The gun is only illegal when he starts plugging folks with it, eh?)

    I joke.

    Nice job.

    Gun on the left is a CZ. Gun on the right is a USP. ;)


    -T.
     
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    Tsk! Tsk!

    Oleg - you have violated one of the sacred gun image safety rules...

    "Keep your diagonal red slash off the trigger until you are ready to capitulate."
     
  10. Mr White

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    How about just armed staff? I deal with college students on a daily basis and the thought of them being armed scares the hell out of me! :eek:
     
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    NAU allows carry i belive. i know you can have guns in your car, but not in your dorm. smart move eh? make them easier to steal.
     
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    I understand the sentiment, as I teach undergrads, but the only students carrying would be those who already have permits and can carry everywhere else. And since they'd have to be 21 in most states, they'd be older students as well. Aside from that, the idea really is that if a person can carry everywhere else, they should be able to carry on a college campus as well. There isn't anything specific about a university that makes it incompatible with firearms - there aren't children running around, there isn't alcohol being served, etc. There's just this idea that students are inherently incompetent and/or dangerous, even after they've gone through the same process as everyone else who has a carry permit. I generally think that if you treat someone as if they're incompetent, they're more likely to act that way. Start treating them like adults with the same rights and responsibilities everyone else has and maybe they'll surprise you.
     
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    ...and Voting! Think of the carnage from that one! :rolleyes:

    I like the poster.
     
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    What's the difference between armed staff only and armed campus police only. Unless you're planning on carrying an armed teacher in your backpack it's not much difference.
     
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    Guns at the polls should be mandatory.


    -T.
     
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    Here's to hoping the 2009 Texas Legislature goes how I'd hope it will... check out the website below...
     
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    Oleg, I wonder how the low and ready position would look for the sillouette.

    Can you whip up a test figure?
     
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    Having just finished sending the 1st one to one of the 5 most expensive schools in the country (ouch :uhoh:), I have to say that the campus weapons policy was not very much of a consideration.

    The college in question does have a silly "No Weapons" policy, but I let my son make the choice to go wherever he wanted to - urging him to decide for himself what he wanted out of an undergrad education. Quality of education was nearly the sole concern. I say "nearly" because I also urged him to go to a campus where 90% of the students lived on campus - so he would be walking to/from parties, instead of driving. :) If I had to guess, drinking and driving, and general stupid stuff while full of beer are much more of a risk than being shot by a crazed student.

    He did very well, and got a full ride to grad school in a field he loves. So I am off the financial hook for that one. :)

    I think that it's important not to over-react to these events. Your child's chances of being shot by a crazy person at school have to be vanishingly small. Yeah, it's scary, and most schools have stupid policies. But I wouldn't send them to a school other than the best educational match due to weapons policies.

    My daughter has her heart set on NYU - in the middle of Manhattan. But what she wants is theater, and that may very well be the best theater department in the company. So if that's where she wants to go, that's where she will go.

    Mike
     
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    I like that the chick has a CZ. :)
     
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    I still like the quote I found on here. "It's not the odds, it's the stakes"

    People buy lottery tickets for basically the same reason people carry guns (don't get me wrong here guys) For a small cost, they can win an enormous sum, but with unbelievable odds. For the gun owner, also for a small price, also at huge odds, can defend an even bigger sum, life.
     
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    And if an armed teacher would lower that by 1/10 of a percentage point I'm really happy about that.

    Why would you NOT want EVERY advantage? That's just silly.
     
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    But then he wouldn't get to be a mass murderer. He might get only one at which time his future existence might be questionable...
     
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    Preaching to the choir methinks...
     
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    This makes a ton of sense. Weapons policy is not going to be a choice factor for anyone but the die-hard 2A or gun advocates. Minor.

    But the problem of susceptibility to a Cho/VT-like incident remains.

    That is the problem that should concern everyone (students, parents, staff, faculty, BOR, UP, etc.).

    The university is clearly and directly responsible for the safety of the people on the campus. I question whether the average university today has an adequate plan to deter and/or prevent Cho/VT incidents.

    Universities are simply not being pressed enough to make them have an effective defense/deterence plan. This is astonishing, considering the stakes involved and the actual political and cultural power of the two most important constituencies involved--parents and students.

    Seems to me that even if one is now totally in favor of arming students/staff in any manner, to any degree, that they should be pressing the universities to explain and justify their current plans and defenses against a Cho-like attack.

    And pressing hard.

    Even if the university system will be changed to allow students/staff to be armed (which I doubt), it will take years for that to happen. What about the students' risk NOW? Today?

    I see no reason why another Cho-attack can't happen this fall semester. Or a terrorist attack. Universities always tout a very low safety risk on their campuses. And history does support those kinds of claims. But historical data are neither relevant nor useful for anomalies like Cho.
     
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