which dvds would you recommend for OVERALL shotgun technique esp. defensive measures?

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I watched the AUW one produced by Lenny Magill, and while the guy in it was REALLY good, he had a semi-auto Benelli the entire time. A lot of sound advice in it but I'd like more in-depth pump-related videos. This can be every thing from shotguns in hunting capacities down to a Louis Awerbuck video. Please recommend me some titles.
 
just watched the G. Suarez combat shotgun dvd, it was interesting.

He is definatly a fan of the Saiga.

He did mention, its because its functionally similar to the AK, and you can set it up identically. so your rifle and shotgun function the same.


which did make some sense.
 
So far I've only watched the one from Gunsite and Louis Awerbuck's shotgun video. I need to get off the checkbook and get a couple of the others that are out there, especially Clint Smith's, but I just haven't done it yet.

Training videos can be a good introduction to various techniques, but IMO they are no substitute for taking a class from a good instructor. Not even close. I had Louis' video for a couple of years before things worked out that I could get to his shotgun class, and I had watched and studied and practiced, and still was completely blown away by getting to experience the man doing what he does. I know good instruction, and I know great instruction, and Louis Awerbuck is world class. To be objective, there are other world class shotgun instructors at work today as well- Randy Cain, John Farnam, Clint Smith etc. And I hope to get in classes with some of them before I shuffle off the flat range for good, too. But IMO it's a better approach to have the basics (safety, basic shotgun manipulation, safety, etc) nailed down before spending the money on a class from a big name instructor. Good training videos can help with that.

Still, no video can substitute for hands-on training from a good instructor IMO. Yes, taking a class from a known instructor costs a good bit. But it is the fastest way you will find to steepen your learning curve, and it will save you an immense amount of time and ammo in the long run, plus helping you learn what you need to know quickly and efficiently. Videos can be a good intro, but IMO are no substitute for putting your butt on the firing line with other students and really doing the work.

JMHO, YMMV, etc.

lpl (my AAR on the class I took is posted at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=202292 )
 
Check out the sample videos from Clint Smith's training DVDs on YouTube. Here is the link to Defensive Shotgun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgwHQCJwWw

Clint is fantastic to train with in person, though I haven't watched any of his DVDs beyond these sample clips. They are pretty representative of his manner, including his tendency towards run-on sentences and oddball jokes; and DENSITY of good information.
 
Louis Awerbuck, Clint Smith and Gunsite are my favorites. I have to give the nod to clint Smith/Thunder Ranch because it's more multi-dimensional. Teaches you to use what you have and not NEED what you don't (i.e. the saiga).
 
Louis Awerbuck, Clint Smith and Gunsite are my favorites. I have to give the nod to clint Smith/Thunder Ranch because it's more multi-dimensional. Teaches you to use what you have and not NEED what you don't (i.e. the saiga).
So it seems to me that ideally you'd train with, (or watch the videos of), both Gabe Suarez, (on how to best use a more ideal combat shotgun, the S-12), and Clint Smith, (so you could more effectively use whatever's available).
 
Since I posted previously on this thread, I've gotten Clint Smith's and Gabe Suarez' DVDs. I posted a review of the TR DVD earlier, I really like Clint Smith's 'style' of teaching a lot- it's more or less what I'm accustomed to after a long time watching military instructors at work, and doing my own fair share of platform time as well.

I'd still have to say, for an outright beginner focused on handling a pumpgun, I like Louis Awerbuck's DVD best. I'd like it even more if he updated the version that's available- as Louis says, "The state of the art is a moving target" and what he teaches has evolved some - inevitably - since this DVD was first produced.

As an all around introduction to gunfighting with a shotgun, I think Clint Smith gets the nod here. His emphasis on 'learning to run the gun you got' resonates with me a great deal. Louis always makes the point in class that "It's the Indian not the arrow" but Clint lays it all out on film for anyone who has a single shot, a double barrel, a pumpgun or a conventional design tube fed semiauto.

Louis and Clint share strong instructional backgrounds, as both were senior staff at Gunsite at one time. That provides a strong foundation in the gunfighting instruction game IMHO. There aren't a lot of bells and whistles in what either of them teach- both are firmly grounded in practicality.

I've trained hands on with Louis more than once, I haven't ever had a chance to make it to Thunder Ranch. And given the constraints of life as a retiree, I probably never will. Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to go, though. The good thing about the itinerant instrutors is that they bring the classroom to you, not the other way around. But the constraints of life in the modern age are telling on the itinerants, some of them are having to cut back on their travel for various reasons.

I'm a firm believer in 'sampling' the teaching of various instructors and taking away the part of their curriculum that applies most to you, or that works best for you. For anyone who wants to compare and contrast instructors who have videos available, watching their offerings and running their drills is a reasonable way to see if you like what they teach and if it works better for you.

The simple economic reality is that it costs less to buy a DVD than it does just to buy the ammo for a live class, not to mention the tuition and travel expenses. Videos are a good way to sample what different instructors have to offer, but they can't really compete with having a live, world-class instructor at your shoulder. Formal training with a good instructor will ramp up your learning curve faster than anything else you can do short of going looking for firefights to get into, and the former is a lot more surviveable. Don't overlook the fact that there are a lot of good local instructors who are teaching as well- it's not necessary to spend may hundreds of $$ and go all the way across the country to go to the Big Name Gun School to get good training.

To bang on my own tin pot here for a bit, I've been working on a list of instructors over in S&T- take a look at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=396584 . If you know of any good folks who are teaching in your area/region that aren't on the list yet, please PM me and let me know so I can add them. It's a fairly time consuming process to find them via search engines.

Thanks,

lpl
 
I watched a video from the NRA that has Rob Pincus (? spelling) from Vallhalla. I was on long guns in general with an emphisis on the shotgun, lever action and AR platform. He goes the gambit with everything from a trapgun to HD setup and not only how to do it ith the propper equipment but also how to get around not having it, like tucking extra shells in your waistband. I've read one of Awerbucks books, "The Defensive Shotgun" and I think very highly of it. But it's just an introduction to taking a class. As soon as I've got some availible cashola, I'll be taking a shotgun HD class. I've been told it's worth every penny even from an entertainment standpoint.
 
I own and recommend both Clint's Thunder Ranch Defensive Shotgun DVD and Suarez' Shotgun Gunfighting DVD.

Another good one that hasn't been mentioned here yet is Tom Givens' (www.rangemaster.com) Defensive Shotgun DVD. It's a solid, no frills look at shotguns in their home defense/personal protection role. It was around $ 30, and I feel like I got my money's worth. I've watched it through 4 or 5 times.

I've also taken Defensive Shotgun I and II at Rangemaster, and would recommend that if you get to Memphis, or if Tom makes a stop near you.
 
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