Which FFP scope?
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mcb
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Maybe look at the Athlon Argos BTR series. I just order the next model down Talos BTR for a 22 LR and I was impressed for the price. Worth a look at least.
https://athlonoptics.com/product-category/rifle-scopes/athlon-optics-argos-btr-gen2/
https://athlonoptics.com/product-category/rifle-scopes/athlon-optics-argos-btr-gen2/
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Bushnell has the MatchPro for $450, Vortex has the Diamondback Tactical’s for around $500 street and the Strike Eagle 5-25x can be had for under $500 for any mil/LEO/Instructor/NRA lifer/etc, the Burris Veracity for a bit over $500 for the same folks (or folks who know those folks).
dieselchief
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i have a athlon ares btr 2.5 15 . it sits in the cabinet. i really suggest you play with one before you by one.
cdb1
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Getting FFP reticle and 20-24x magnification for $500.00 is a very tall order IMO. I can see getting one or the other in a good quality scope but not both for $500.00.
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Euro optic still has PST Gen 1's for sale, like this 6-24x50 FFP for $529:
https://www.eurooptic.com/vortex-vi...e-with-ebr-2c-reticle-mrad-pst-43128-new.aspx
https://www.eurooptic.com/vortex-vi...e-with-ebr-2c-reticle-mrad-pst-43128-new.aspx
Anything much over 10X, especially at that price isn't going to be very good. You can shoot MOA out to 1000 with a 10X scope. You'll get more scope for the money with a fixed power, and something at around 10X-12X.
Most are on back order due to production being down in Japan due to Covid, but for $300 I'd highly recommend one of these. They are all fixed power, but offered in 6,10,12,16,and 20X. The 6X and 10X are the best glass.
Most of the fixed powers are out of stock, but this is a good deal on a scope/binocular combo.
https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-12x42-mil-riflescope-12x32-mil-binocular.html?___SID=U
A little over budget, but I have this. It is great.
https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-hd-3-9x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope.html?___SID=U
Most are on back order due to production being down in Japan due to Covid, but for $300 I'd highly recommend one of these. They are all fixed power, but offered in 6,10,12,16,and 20X. The 6X and 10X are the best glass.
Most of the fixed powers are out of stock, but this is a good deal on a scope/binocular combo.
https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-12x42-mil-riflescope-12x32-mil-binocular.html?___SID=U
A little over budget, but I have this. It is great.
https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-hd-3-9x42-tactical-30mm-riflescope.html?___SID=U
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Skylerbone
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What purpose? Would help as far as reticle selection, physical size, weight. If I were basing it solely on overall quality in that range, without knowing what you want, this: https://cameralandny.com/shop/brand...4924-0137-0b58-00163e90e196?variation=1946406
Even @cdb1 might have a hard time disputing that scope, though it isn’t quite as much magnification as you asked for.
Even @cdb1 might have a hard time disputing that scope, though it isn’t quite as much magnification as you asked for.
cdb1
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Yes, that would be my pick and I wouldn’t consider any others.
Chuck R.
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Agree, the OP has left it pretty open ended.
The only question I'd have for the OP is what is he looking for in a reticle?
The Meopta posted for instance, has a straight duplex, which is cool if you're into twisting turrets all the time. It seems like most guys looking for FFP, are looking to use a MIL reticle, I know that's the assumption I made with my recommendation, but that might not be the case here.
BigBL87
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Athlon is definitely worth a look. I was going to recommend Primary Arms, but their scope in that range tops out at 18x.
Chuck R.
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I actually like MOA better as it's a "finer" adjustment on the turret, but all the guys I shoot with are using MIL, so I've stuck with it.
Honestly IF I was just going with a duplex like the Meopta suggestion I'd just go with a SFP and save some cash. FFP scopes IMHO make the best sense with a holdover/ranging reticle.
It is that.
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It is. But I hope someday when I grow up, I can shoot well enough to realize the 0.098”/100yrd difference.
mcb
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mrad and metric makes doing ranging off the reticle easy. Just moving the decimal point the right amount. 1 mrad at 100 meters is 10 cm.
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Like most people don't need a scope with 1/8MOA adjustments vs 1/4MOA, but some can benefit.
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I for one am shocked, just shocked, that "Mr. Precision" the guy that rails against BDC reticles and the Leupold CDS system and loses sleep over stacking tolerances caused by barrel nuts VS shouldered barrels would so casually give up on an inch at 1000 yards!
Thanks for all the the info so far. Had a change of plans. Came across a good deal at my LGS on a new Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50. Looks like that will be my scope for now. Will still keep my eyes open for a good FFP scope.
Keep any info and recommendations coming. No matter how much or little precision one gains or gives up.
Keep any info and recommendations coming. No matter how much or little precision one gains or gives up.
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It makes a big difference when shooting F Class
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I for one am shocked, just shocked, that "Mr. Precision" the guy that rails against BDC reticles and the Leupold CDS system and loses sleep over stacking tolerances caused by barrel nuts VS shouldered barrels would so casually give up on an inch at 1000 yards!
Assuming this is referencing me - it just doesn’t pan out as “over an inch” of difference in favor of one over the other in every instance. Sometimes the tighter “precision” doesn’t actually produce tighter “accuracy” to the actual trajectory demand at a given range.” And by “sometimes,” I mean “often enough that it dilutes the precision advantage to a horserace.”
At my speed this past weekend, I had 224” of drop at 1,000. In mils, that’s 6.22, so I dial 6.2. I’m giving up 0.02 mils, which at 1,000 is 0.72” low strike. In MOA, it’s 21.39 moa, and given 1/4moa clicks, picking 21.25moa puts me .14moa low, 21.5moa puts me .11 high - so we pick 21.5 and send it 1.15” high... so at 1,000, in that case, the incremental positions of a 1/4 MOA scope means more than 50% greater error than mils, even though “MOA is more precise.”
Group shooting games have different demands, and no doubt, an SFP with a fine crosshair and 1/8moa adjustments offers real advantages. That’s why they make both kinds.
ETA: but there’s never an application where BDC’s are a real advantage, except for marketing scopes to take advantage of folks who don’t know any better.
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