Dr. Sandman
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Of all the guns sold today, which has the greatest potential to appreciate in value? Which is the best investment gun to buy?
Which guns sold today have the best investment potential?
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If you look at it like the stock market, there would be high risk guns like the AR-15 which could be affected by legislation and rise dramatically, or drop lower than they are now. The "blue chip"- medium priced models from a respected manufacturer. Conservative-high end low production guns kept new in the box which generally always slowly increase in value. Almost sure to lose money- anything commemorative, price point guns like wally world deer rifle packages, and anything "gimmicky" like zombie patterns.
FL-NC
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Transferable pre-86 full autos.
Rembrandt
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High quality firearms that have low numbered production runs.
Same formula holds true for almost anything...cars, jewelry, homes, etc.
For instance a Cartier watch in the glove box of a Jag XKE V-12, parked at a home in Beverly Hills will appreciate far more than a Timex in a Buick parked in a trailer court.
Same formula holds true for almost anything...cars, jewelry, homes, etc.
For instance a Cartier watch in the glove box of a Jag XKE V-12, parked at a home in Beverly Hills will appreciate far more than a Timex in a Buick parked in a trailer court.
danez71
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A double barrel shot gun.
Reasoning: Hillary will announce that she wants to ban and confiscate all guns but recognizes the importance of the 2A to our nations hunters and is willing to compromise by allowing the 'Biden exception'. A run on double barrels will commence.
Reasoning: Hillary will announce that she wants to ban and confiscate all guns but recognizes the importance of the 2A to our nations hunters and is willing to compromise by allowing the 'Biden exception'. A run on double barrels will commence.
Plan2Live
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Unfired Kimber revolvers will do well after they drop that line in a year or two.
Anything from Les Baer or Nighthawk Customs. Any of the bespoke double rifles or shotguns. Maybe a Korth.
Any of the linebagh big bore revolvers.
Last but not least, any pistol that can be documented as having been through a James Yeager fighting pistol class and not dropped onto gravel or stomped on.
Anything from Les Baer or Nighthawk Customs. Any of the bespoke double rifles or shotguns. Maybe a Korth.
Any of the linebagh big bore revolvers.
Last but not least, any pistol that can be documented as having been through a James Yeager fighting pistol class and not dropped onto gravel or stomped on.
deadin
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Too many variables not mentioned to make a good guess.
How long and "investment" period are you thinking of?
Do you plan on using this "investment" or is it going to remain untouched by human hands?
How much money do you have to invest?
etc.
Personally I would consider investing in high quality antiques as they aren't likely to be swept up in whatever new regulations the government thinks up.
Unfortunately "High Quality" Antiques are for the most part above my pay grade........
How long and "investment" period are you thinking of?
Do you plan on using this "investment" or is it going to remain untouched by human hands?
How much money do you have to invest?
etc.
Personally I would consider investing in high quality antiques as they aren't likely to be swept up in whatever new regulations the government thinks up.
Unfortunately "High Quality" Antiques are for the most part above my pay grade........
WestKentucky
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Short run, higher capacity firearms and civilian versions of military rifles...ar, ak, cetme, hk carbines, sks..but long term who knows. The market ebbs and flows. I would venture a guess that Colt guns would bring a premium IF they end up shutting down. Metal framed guns would also seem a good idea since they are slowly but surely fading. I certainly would not be suprised if the guns currently sold as military surplus don't gain a lot of value, especially the ones with significance and lower production numbers.
And of course an m14. Not than nannyfied m1A, the real deal with a happy switch. Yeah...find a good price on those and let me know how much cash to bring.
And of course an m14. Not than nannyfied m1A, the real deal with a happy switch. Yeah...find a good price on those and let me know how much cash to bring.
tark
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If this country ever suffers an economic collapse and chaos, any gun will be worth its weight in gold. You can't eat gold and you can't shoot food or bad guys with it.
OilyPablo
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I can't guess what will get valuable next year or the year after that, but my Saiga AK is up a bit (and I thought I over paid), my quality AR's are money pits if thought of as investments, but it's a hobby and I always tinkering. My revolvers and 1911's are like steady eddy, heck even Glock firearms don't lose much value. All I will say is quality firearms hold their value. They just do.
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DeepSouth
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Anything that's extremely expensive and hard to find. In other words, nothing massproduced, nothing cheap, nothing common, basically high end rare guns and/or the same guns that expensive/collectables right now.
Assuming there's not a complete ban coming down the road, that's definitely true.
rcmodel
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Guns that real collectors collect.
Colt, Winchester, S&W, high grade rifles & shotguns, really good WWII stuff, etc.
Nobody who buys Les Baer or Nighthawk Customs pistols expects to ever get their initial investment back.
But in the grand scheme of things?
You can make far more money in a shorter time putting your money in a well managed 501-K plan!!
rc
Colt, Winchester, S&W, high grade rifles & shotguns, really good WWII stuff, etc.
Nobody who buys Les Baer or Nighthawk Customs pistols expects to ever get their initial investment back.
But in the grand scheme of things?
You can make far more money in a shorter time putting your money in a well managed 501-K plan!!
rc
Transferable MG's.
I'm thinking that horse has run already. Sure the price has run up to a incredible amount . That doesnt mean it will continue to rise at the same rate. $25K registered receiver AR-15's have probably reached their plateau. They have reached the level of investment grade securities now. The price may continue to rise but not at the rate it has over the last 20 years.
High end shotguns have no reason for being.
I'm thinking that horse has run already. Sure the price has run up to a incredible amount . That doesnt mean it will continue to rise at the same rate. $25K registered receiver AR-15's have probably reached their plateau. They have reached the level of investment grade securities now. The price may continue to rise but not at the rate it has over the last 20 years.
High end shotguns have no reason for being.
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"I'm thinking that horse has run already. Sure the price has run up to a incredible amount . That doesnt mean it will continue to rise at the same rate. $25K registered receiver AR-15's have probably reached their plateau. They have reached the level of investment grade securities now. The price may continue to rise but not at the rate it has over the last 20 years."
+1. An HK autosear is like 50 grand anymore; is it really plausible that it will increase to 100 grand without a matching amount of inflation in general? What's more likely is an increase in Class III SOTs...which we are clearly seeing these days, even after the gigantic hike in fees/ITAR costs thank you Hillary Clinton.
'Priceless' does not mean 'infinite.' Many of the rarer MGs are rapidly attaining priceless status, which means only that their value cannot be determined reliably; it fluctuates enormously depending on market conditions and the interest of specific buyers.
"The nearly relentless increase in value, particularly in the last 15-20 years, has been astounding. And the odds of the registry ever being reopened is slim to none."
Don't you believe it. The next ten years (eight, actually) will see one of two things; either an amnesty (most likely) or reopening of the registry (less likely), or the end of all transfers of pre-86 MGs like what Canada had/has. Money has power, and the distortion of the MG market has gotten to Zimbabwean levels at this point; something's gotta give. The Hollis v Holder case is challenging the ATFs authority to deny Form 1 MGs to trusts, and seeking a full-on audit of the worm eaten Registry under the theory the Bureau has been illegally adding MGs on the sly over the decades for political favors. We'll see where it goes in April. Otherwise, it's getting increasingly easy to argue MGs are unconstitutionally banned, seeing as congress only ever had the authority to tax them (Miller) and between the closure of the registry and the tiny number of MGs relative to the population as a whole, the disenfranchisement is becoming undeniable. Something's gotta give; either the Bureau will try to release some pressure with an amnesty ('stampede!') or a lawless court ruling will slam the door shut once and for all and, MGs will be truly illegal once the present generation of owners dies off (like in Canada). I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility we'll get both in a fantastically short-sighted fit of "deal making" by a con-man.
"High end shotguns have no reason for being."
Fine art most certainly has a reason for being. Jackson Pollock paintings have no reason for being, and Warhol et-al garbage even less. They exist to be bought at exorbitant prices by people who readily form (or pretend to form) emotional attachments to inanimate objects or celebrities. Fine art, especially something like a machine, exist as a testament to the capabilities of human craftsmanship (if Pollock carefully applied each paint splotch with skill and rhyme and/or reason as opposed to 'instinct,' I'd have a lot more respect). Sadly, far too few people anymore have actually built or made anything, so the whole concept of craftsmanship beyond a superficial aesthetic level is lost on them.
TCB
+1. An HK autosear is like 50 grand anymore; is it really plausible that it will increase to 100 grand without a matching amount of inflation in general? What's more likely is an increase in Class III SOTs...which we are clearly seeing these days, even after the gigantic hike in fees/ITAR costs thank you Hillary Clinton.
'Priceless' does not mean 'infinite.' Many of the rarer MGs are rapidly attaining priceless status, which means only that their value cannot be determined reliably; it fluctuates enormously depending on market conditions and the interest of specific buyers.
"The nearly relentless increase in value, particularly in the last 15-20 years, has been astounding. And the odds of the registry ever being reopened is slim to none."
Don't you believe it. The next ten years (eight, actually) will see one of two things; either an amnesty (most likely) or reopening of the registry (less likely), or the end of all transfers of pre-86 MGs like what Canada had/has. Money has power, and the distortion of the MG market has gotten to Zimbabwean levels at this point; something's gotta give. The Hollis v Holder case is challenging the ATFs authority to deny Form 1 MGs to trusts, and seeking a full-on audit of the worm eaten Registry under the theory the Bureau has been illegally adding MGs on the sly over the decades for political favors. We'll see where it goes in April. Otherwise, it's getting increasingly easy to argue MGs are unconstitutionally banned, seeing as congress only ever had the authority to tax them (Miller) and between the closure of the registry and the tiny number of MGs relative to the population as a whole, the disenfranchisement is becoming undeniable. Something's gotta give; either the Bureau will try to release some pressure with an amnesty ('stampede!') or a lawless court ruling will slam the door shut once and for all and, MGs will be truly illegal once the present generation of owners dies off (like in Canada). I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility we'll get both in a fantastically short-sighted fit of "deal making" by a con-man.
"High end shotguns have no reason for being."
Fine art most certainly has a reason for being. Jackson Pollock paintings have no reason for being, and Warhol et-al garbage even less. They exist to be bought at exorbitant prices by people who readily form (or pretend to form) emotional attachments to inanimate objects or celebrities. Fine art, especially something like a machine, exist as a testament to the capabilities of human craftsmanship (if Pollock carefully applied each paint splotch with skill and rhyme and/or reason as opposed to 'instinct,' I'd have a lot more respect). Sadly, far too few people anymore have actually built or made anything, so the whole concept of craftsmanship beyond a superficial aesthetic level is lost on them.
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Nobody can predict with any certainty so for the long run I'd advise against guns as an investment and instead recommend a well diversified portfolio of stocks and bonds in a no load deferred tax vehicle. Meanwhile, keep watch and pray the government doesn't eventually invent a means of nibbling it all away.
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My 401k is too quiet to be entertaining
. It's also inevitably gonna get a haircut at some point before I retire (I should think that prospect is painfully obvious to working-age Americans at this point), probably after rampant inflation eats a goodly portion of what is left, as well.TCB
rcmodel
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Yes but, rampant inflation is all that makes your gun collection more valuable then it was years ago too.
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What rampant inflation? Inflation is at what 1-2% at best? Last i checked we were teetering on Japanese style death spiral deflation.
rcmodel
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The point I was trying to make is this.
If I paid $100 for a gun in 1960.
It would cost $801.05 in today's dollars.
A new Colt Python listed for $135 in 1967.
That would be $958.38 today.
MSRP for a S&W Model 29 was $150.
But they often sold for twice that.
So, $1,064,87 today.
(Or, $2,129.74!!)
My point is,
Ain't no real money to be made in gun collecting anymore.
Unless you find Adolph Hitlers documented engraved Walther PPK at an estate sale for $25 dollars.
rc
If I paid $100 for a gun in 1960.
It would cost $801.05 in today's dollars.
A new Colt Python listed for $135 in 1967.
That would be $958.38 today.
MSRP for a S&W Model 29 was $150.
But they often sold for twice that.
So, $1,064,87 today.
(Or, $2,129.74!!)
My point is,
Ain't no real money to be made in gun collecting anymore.
Unless you find Adolph Hitlers documented engraved Walther PPK at an estate sale for $25 dollars.
rc
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The 70's screwed your metrics up. That $150 Model 29 today costs about $1000 today. Adjust your 1973 wages for todays wages and you'll find the Smith is a LOT cheaper now than it was then.
$135 for a python in 1967 was real money.. A quarter would buy a pack of smokes in 1967 and 20 grand would get you a mighty nice house.
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