Which has less recoil 1100 or 870 w/ Knoxx?

[gqmracerx7]

From the site:
http://www.remington.com/tactical/tactical_shotgun_specs.asp

Comparing the 870 and 1100 TAC-2 models, which would have less felt recoil?

Thanks,
Grant

 

[byf43]

Good question!!!!


I've shot the you know what out of my 1100, since 1983, and I've shot both my 870 Wingmaster and my daughter's 870 Express w/Knoxx SpecOps quite a bit.

The 1100 with my handloads shoots like a light 20 ga, or even a 28 ga.
The 870 with the Knoxx feels maybe the same.

I've never stopped to compare recoil.

Now, with 00B or slugs in a defensive situation, you're not going to feel anything.
You will be concentrating on protecting yourself and your family.

 

[Big Az Al]

On the practical side

Any gas operated firearm has a recoil dampening offset in the action of working the bolt.

But there is also how a gun fits you, the length of the forcing cone, the weight of the guns,and several more variables.

Even attitude

SO the 1100 may actually have a recoil reducing advantage, and some one may feel that the 870 gentler on them.

I won't try to correct anybody's perception of wich kicks more or less,

because I have a favorite that everbody tells should kick like a mule, and I have shot 300 or 400 rounds in a day with out any pain or discomfort,

and their sweet shooting shotgun that they can shoot hundreds of rounds a day with makes my shoulder black and blue in less then a box of shells.

SO while I lean torwards the 1100 that is persoal judgement of the individual shooter as to what they perceive, feel or react to

 

[gqmracerx7]

Thank you both for the replies. I wish there was a local range that I could rent both to try with my wife. That really helped when choosing a pistol. I have a while until I'm making a HD shotgun purchase so maybe something will happen to make my decision easier. Thanks again.

 

[Mtn_USPc]

Another thing to consider with the Knoxx is all the stock movement. I don't speak from first hand experience but I've read numerous posts where people warn about cheek bite and having to get used to them. I have a Remington 1100 with a 22" barrel and it's very mild to shoot, much less recoil than my 870. I'd take the Tac-2 over the 870 models if recoil is a concern, they're also a lot of fun to shoot.

 

[gqmracerx7]

Thanks. Yes, good point, I forgot about that.

I'm not trying to change the thread, and it's not a big deal, but I haven't been able to find any aftermarket adjustable length stocks for the 1100. Is there a reason for that? Actually that seems to be true for most semi-auto shotguns...

Also, I saw the 1100 is approx 7.5 lbs unloaded. Is that number pretty close?

 

[pete f]

Are you of normal size and good health? then it really does not matter that much, as neither has enough recoil with most loads to hurt you.


its a TV myth that 12 guages have a ton of recoil, if it did, could younger high school girls shoot 500 clays in a row?

http://marian.creighton.edu/~besser/trap/
http://www.parislanding.com/watkins_71407.htm
http://www.cortlandstandard.net/articles/04132007n.html
http://orig.jacksonsun.com/femalehunters/femalehunters.html

 

[Mtn_USPc]

The action spring tube goes down inside the stock* unlike the 870 which is why you won't find adjustable (M-16 style) stocks for the 1100. The best option I've found is a short length of pull tactical stock or a youth stock.
*part 7 at the rear of the receiver

 

[mjrodney]

its a TV myth that 12 guages have a ton of recoil, if it did, could younger high school girls shoot 500 clays in a row?

A while ago, I played around with Trap for a few years using a Remington 1100. Recoil was something I didn't think about a whole lot.

Gave it up because of the rising cost of the game and I sold the Remington.

This weekend, though, I picked up a Mossy 500 pump, and I fired a few full house slugs through it.



Let's just say that I noticed the recoil, this time.

There is a noticeable difference. Different shotgun design. Different loading.

 

[gqmracerx7]

Mtn_USPc, thanks for that info. It really helped.

And I don't know that I'm totally recoil conscious, but I do want to try what I can to reduce recoil so my wife doesn't shoot it and put it down and say, I will never touch that thing again or be hesitant to use it. So if there was a substantial difference between the 2, I would have leaned towards the one with less recoil. Since they seem to be similar, I'm leaning towards a gas operated SG again.

Changing gears a little. If I was able to get a Mossy 930 SPX w/ ghost sights (85360) for under $500 (the lowest I found a new 1100 Tac-2 was $660 shipped from a place I trust), is there a reason to spend the extra $$$ on the 1100? The 1100 seems to be more popular from what I've seen. But I do like the 930's safety better with it's standard stock...

 

[Mtn_USPc]

gqmracerx7,
Glad the info helped. I think you're on the right track going semi-auto to avoid heavy recoil. Have you considered a 20 gauge? Remington makes a youth model that's very nice. The youth model has a 13" length of pull and it comes with a 21" barrel which is short enough for defensive applications. Wilson Combat makes extensions for the 20 gauge Remington's if you wanted more capacity.
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/youth/model_11-87_sportsman.asp

Regarding the Mossberg 930 SPX, it appears to be an excellent shotgun. I'm considering purchasing one myself and have read many favorable reports on them.

 

[ocharry]

gqm,,,i have both,,,870 and 1100 set up as hd guns,,i put choate stocks on them,, they are length adjustable to some degree,,, they use 1/2" spacers for the adjustment,,,, my wife is ahhh of short stature and so i have to set things up to fit her(i can shoot a short gun but she can't shoot a long one),, and the choate stuff is pretty nice too

anyway she will pick up the 1100 by first choice with any shells in it,,,,she really don't care for the 870,,,,especially with heavy shells in it,,and as i get older i must say i notice the recoil WAY more than i used to

get the 1100,,,you won't be sorry

my .02 YMMV

ocharry

 

[gqmracerx7]

Mtn_USPc, no, I haven't really considered a 20 gauge. Started out looking at the Mossy .410 HD model, then the Saiga .410. Then I jumped to 12GA over the 20GA because of lack of ammo options. But after thinking about it, it doesn't seem like a reason to ignore it. Sometimes the shotgun choice seems to be a trip that seems to go around in circles Choosing a pistol was easier because the local indoor range had a good selection of rentals. I didn't get to try everything I wanted, but enough where I am happy and confident in my selection. Anyway... I really appreciate all the feedback.

I'm lucky in that my wife is less than 1" shorter than I am (5'10") and the LOP seems to be close for both of us. I think since I don't have a local option to shoot (rent) anything we may go to some local places and just handle some of the semi-autos that are in stock. Hopefully I can find a 1100, the 11-87 youth model, a 930, etc. and at least narrow it down a bit.

Thanks, I'll keep the Choate in mind if I need some adjustment.