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Which model 27 classic?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Sneakshot92, Jun 8, 2020.

  1. mcb

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    I believe at the end of the post I states as much. In my opinion the 6-shot 357 Mag N-frame is sort of silly (almost as silly as the 6-shot 357 Mag Redhawk). IMHO if you are stuck on 357 Magnum as the cartridge it should be an 8-shot N-frame, 7-shot L-Frame, 6-shot K-frame and 5-shot J-frame. But I am not a big fan of 357 Magnum in general.

    That said you finish your post with one of the best N-frames, if I am not mistaken a S&W 1917. Now that is a fine use of the N-frame, IMHO.
     
  2. Hanshi

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    I've owned quite a few M27s & 28s. The 28 HPs were 4" and 6". The 27s were all 6". But decades ago I sent a 27 back to S&W and had them install a 5" tube which I love. I've kept all the barrels from revolvers I've had modified in case I want another switch.
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  3. MaxP

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    The .357 Redhawk is an eight-shot...
     
  4. mcb

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    They made a 6-shot version back in the mid 1980's way before they started making the 8-shooter.

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    Not my image, just found it on the internet. Apparently the are relatively rare. Look at those itty-bitty chambers in that great big cylinder. :D
     
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    If you don't plan to carry it except in the woods, and plan to use it as a range gun, go with the longer barrel. The longer sight radius makes accurate shooting easier. Get a chest or shoulder rig and some speed loaders. Nothing at all wrong about a large frame .357 Magnum. Patton carried one (albeit with a 3-1/2 inch barrel). For my money, I'd look for an older gun in good shape instead of a brand new one. Hammer with a nose, pinned barrel, recessed cylinder.
     
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  6. Sneakshot92

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    That it is. But I don't own any S&W handguns yet and I want a something with classic, if not iconic lines, not to mention I load and shoot a lot of 357 magnum.
    Enter a model 27 classic.
     
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  7. mcb

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    Just me ramblin' you can do something I think is silly all day long, if you like it more power to you. I am sure I do things other people think is silly and that's OK too.
     
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  8. Sneakshot92

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    :thumbup: I do have plans to buy a N frame that is chambered in something with a four. I just want to get my 357 magnum bucket list guns first.. Then on to the fours. And a couple 5's.
     
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  9. labnoti

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    I think you can get an early model 27 from a Gun Broker auction and that seems like it would have more appeal to you, though it will probably cost you at least 50% more.

    The 3" barrel was the only barrel length that we could call popular for carry other than open duty carry. The 3" was very much in demand for carry up until the model 19. For shooting, I would take the 6" or 6.5" any day. I think the 4" really became popular as a barrel length after the model 19 was introduced -- I mean as far as 357 is concerned. It was a popular length in the 38 K frame before that, but the N frame with a 4" barrel was bigger than people wanted to carry. I think the 3" was more popular. But as far as the Classics go, the 4" is the closest option and it has the Magna style grips that would have been favored for carry, as opposed to the Target grips that are on the 6.5" Classic.

    Personally, I'm skeptical of the Magna grips. I've never shot a revolver with them but I don't expect them to handle well, especially with higher recoil. Also, it's a little irksome that Magna's were basically a cheapification of the classic grips that had the wood inlet for the half-moon on the grip frame. Basically, it took less skilled labor to leave the Magna's horns at the top of the grips instead of fitting the top of the grip into that half-moon.

    The 6.5" Classic has the Coke Bottle target grips. I haven't tried them either but I've read that they don't fit many people's hands well.

    The grips are easy to change, but S&W chose the grips they did because the proportions are well suited to the shorter and longer barrels respectively. If you have a grip preference, and no other way to choose the barrel length, pick it based on that.
     
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    Honestly i'd prefer the smaller grips of the 4" model if I could get them on the 6.5". Guess i'll have to do some research and see what aftermarket wood grips are out there before I decide on which gun.
     
  11. labnoti

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    I don't think it matters to the OP, but if someone else really wants an 8-shot Model 27, the "Classic" would be an easy frame/barrel swap with a 627 or 327 or the R8 or TRR8. I don't think you could just swap the cylinder assembly, hand and so on with a 1994 or earlier 27. If you didn't want the two-tone style of the raw stainless cylinder, the R8/TRR8's cylinder is blackened. It's also stainless steel so it would be a little tricky to polish it and blue it in the traditional way, but I don't think there was ever made a carbon steel, 8-shot N frame cylinder. Now on the L frame, the 586 L comp does have a carbon 7 shot cylinder. It has a matte black finish, but it should be possible to polish and blue it and swap it (with the other internal parts) into a 586 Classic.

    As for the grips, the proportions affect the looks:

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  12. Sneakshot92

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    Reminds me of my 357 blackhawk cylinder.
     
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  13. mcb

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    Unfortunately you can't put an 8-shot cylinder in a 6-shot N-frame. The 8-shot N-frames are slightly different from the 6-shot N-frames. The hole for the barrel and firing pin is moved up in the frame about .035 inch to allow the charge holes in the cylinder to move closer to the outside of the cylinder and thus have more room circumferential. The "bolt-circle" (a circle passing through the center of all the chambers) for a standard 6-shot N-frame is 1.09-inches in diameter and the 8-shot its 1.16-inches in diameter.

    If you start with a standard Model 27 frame you can only squeeze 7-shot in there. I do believe a few 7-shot Model 27s do exist out there but I don't believe this was ever a standard product from S&W. You have to move the charge holes out just a bit to get eight in there.
     
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  14. labnoti

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    That's good to know. It makes sense to move the bolt circle farther toward the OD to give more circumference for more chambers. I know the bolt circle on 6 and 7 shot L frames is the same, and I mistakenly assumed it was so for N frames.
     
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    OP here. I've gotten myself further down the rat hole of confusion. After a visit this afternoon to my lgs. The owner, who has similar interests and knows what I like, has actually recommended a 4" 586 classic.
    I've never been steered in the wrong direction by him. Maybe I need to take a half a step back and reconsider my options.
    I guess i'll have to start a new thread to include the 586.
    It's titled "Model 586 or Model 27 Classic??" For those that feel like checking it out.
    Yeah I should figure out how to link stuff on here.
     
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  16. SQLGeek

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    Prior to owning my 6" Model 27, I thought I liked the look of the 4" N frames more. But I picked mine up for a deal I couldn't pass up and I've fallen in love with it.

    I've since added a 4" Model 28 to my collection and while I like it also, I prefer the 6" barrel.

    I've had the chance to shoot a 3.5" Model 27 and it is handy and a nice shooter. I wouldn't mind trying out a 5" if I could get my hands on one.

    To me, the 6" N frame balances wonderfully, especially paired with target grips. And I've grown to think it looks better.

    To each their own though. That's why they make them in a variety of sizes.

    Nothing beats some hands on experience if you can get it.
     
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    I like the 4”, especially the tapered 4” on the 27-9 .
     
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    4 inch m28 is on my dream list for sure...
     
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    The 27 is a big frame for the .357 cartridge, so the longer barrel sort of balances it out. A 3”- 4” barrel just looks right (in my eyes) on the K and L frame Smith & Wesson .357’s.
    My only N frames are stainless 44 Mags, but the Mountain Gun is sorta similar to the 27 profile-wise. (The other is a 6.5” full-lug classic Power-port and that’s really a hefty revolver.)

    Here is the N frame 629 Mountain Gun, an L frame 686+, a K frame 66 .357 and a J frame 5- shot 642 .38 Spl.

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    Good luck with your search! :thumbup:

    Stay safe.
     
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    In a way I find it odd that this particular thread is still trickling in a few responses. I've had a slight change of heart on the model 27. I may end up with a new 4" model 586 instead. It all depends on wether or not I want a DA revolver that can handle the ~1350fps 180gr hunting handloads i'm in the process of loading up. It may be pointless to run those kind of loads in what will most likely be just a range gun. Of course those loads from a 4" barrel would undoubtedly throw somw nice fireballs.
     
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    Maybe. I’ve put together some Speer 140 Gr JHP loads over a near-max charge of H-110 and it’s impressive in recoil, blast and flash from the 4” 686+. I won’t shoot them in my 66.

    You’ll be well served with a 586, they’re great handguns. :thumbup:

    Stay safe.
     
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