Which would be the better handgun for the military?

[Doug.38PR]

The real dilemma may be the caliber. Will the Military really change from 9mm? My guess is “No” if the U.N. and NATO have anything to say about it.

1) Screw the U.N.

2) Screw NATO

3) Switch to the .45 1911 for sidearm and a battle rifle in .30-06 or .308 and tell them to come and make us change with their weaker puny rifle and handgun mm rounds.

That's me. Unfortunatly, Jorge Dubya Bush, the neo-cons and their liberal allies are too busy kissing the.....feet.....of the U.N. and "the rest of the world." Okay, now I am going over into Legal and Political.

Anyway, perhaps, State Guard or State Defense forces of the various states taht have them could at least switch to the 1911 .45 and a higher caliber rifle.

 

[valor1]

Get the Glocks in 9mm and the HK's in .45. They are cheaper and mass produced guns. If something breaks, just replace it with no need to tinker.
Corrosion resistance is better, parts swapping and availability is excellent.

 

[Cliff47]

If you are looking at .45 ACP, then consider the Para-Ord series of pistols. The 1911 design, with high-capacity magazines in a number of sizes. As an alternative design, the CZ 97, also hi-capacity and accurate as the day is long.

It is my opinion that H-K's are not necessarily a firearm, but a life-style, considering the price.

The XD series from Springfield Armory seem to be the best of the latest crop of polymer designs. Time will tell.

Submitted for your consideration.....

 

[HorseSoldier]

Not sure if HK still makes the MK23 but i think thatd be the best military handgun.

Considered too big and too heavy even by the SOF units that have them issued, which tend to lack personnel like small framed women within their ranks. As a SOCOM weapon it's hardly lived up to expectations (if it had, the more recent 45 cal pistol replacement for 9mm Berettas would have never been an issue), and I'd think it would do much worse if you gave them to everyone in the army who had a handgun issued to them.

3) Switch to the .45 1911 for sidearm and a battle rifle in .30-06 or .308 and tell them to come and make us change with their weaker puny rifle and handgun mm rounds.

Just to toss a bit of reality into the equation, that "weaker puny rifle" round is the one we adopted uniliterally in the 1960s and whose use by NATO was largely predetermined by US issue of the M16 by the time of the NATO trials in the late 1970s.

If you are looking at .45 ACP, then consider the Para-Ord series of pistols. The 1911 design, with high-capacity magazines in a number of sizes. As an alternative design, the CZ 97, also hi-capacity and accurate as the day is long.

For general use by the US military, you need to be able to hand either to a woman who is about 5'0" and has small hands for her frame and see if she can effectively use the weapon and operate its controls.

If not, it's not a keeper, with current recruiting standards and such.

 

[lionking]

Quote;I chose the Sig 220 due to my belief that the new Sig 220 Combat would be a great choice. I would have chosen an HK had they been on the list as they are the best choice in my opinion

I agree the same way.

I haven't tried the XD,but I see alot of favorable things said.

 

[jon_in_wv]

Normally I condone the use of 9mm as very effective given the quality of modern ammo. The problem is that the military is still relegated to the use of ball ammo. I would love to see them adapt a .45. Preferably one that has no larger than a 10 round mag to keep the grip a reasonable size. Personally, the G21 is TOO big. I think a lot of smaller handed folks would have trouble with it. I hate to say it but a gun similar to the Taurus 24/7 PRO would fit the bill well in my book. Its single action, manual safety, second strike capable, compact in grip and overall size. I would like to see a more durable rendition of it for our service folks though.

 

[kmrcstintn]

I have a few that are not listed

I chose not to vote since I chose some that are not on the list...

Kel-Tec PLR-16...offers the advantage of 5.56 NATO in a smaller package...good for crews of armored vehicles and mobile artillery vehicles; these accept common ar-15/m-16 series magazines and have pictanilly rails on the top of the receiver and they are setup to accept flash hiders/ muzzle brakes, forearms with tactical rails, slings, bipod mounts, etc

S&W N-frame 8 shot .357 magnum revolver...more foolproof in sandy and dirty conditions; a while back the Navy SEALS had S&W 686's (6-shot L frame .357 magnum) in their inventory when sidearm reliability was paramount in areas that might have affected the HK's and Sigs that they had

FN Herstal USA FNP-9 in 9mm...a good reliable polymer frame sidearm that offers DA/SA configuration that the military prefers; I believe that I read somewhere that either Belgian military or Belgian police are using the FNP-9M variant of this platform

*** all 3 are United States based companies and are manufactured on U.S. soil ***