CajunBass
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I open carry quite a bit...BUT...
I'm in Virginia, not Alaska.
I'm not in the military.
I'm in Virginia, not Alaska.
I'm not in the military.
When you chose to join the military you also agreed to relinquish some of the rights that you enjoyed as a civilian.1) what regulation says that i can not carry off post? How does the military have any business telling me that i can't carry off post?
Don't believe me? Try wearing a turban to work.
If you don't like the orders that your commanding officers give, well, that's just tough.
You signed the contract and you took the oath.
Suck it up and drive on.
luigi said:Do you really think the ALCOM commander is going to go for that? I am almost certain that the commander’s intent is that no member of ALCOM carry a weapon on post or off, period. Given there’s a war on I don’t think and article 15 is quite the career killer it used to be but I wouldn’t want to be the test case.
Direct order of your post commander. Who do you think is going to win the pissing contest, you or him?
Maybe they do maybe they don’t , are you willing to be the test case?
And he got away w/ it too.
It could but I’d bet even if you won, you’d lose
If it was overturned this guy wouldn’t be trying it now would he?
Bottom line, you agreed to cede some of your rights to the Army when you enlisted. The area Commander (who has a lot more friends in Congress than you BTW) has the authority to issue directives that are conducive to good order and discipline and like it or not this order falls under that. A similar order has been issued and upheld previously as have orders requiring SMs to register their weapons w/ the Post Provost Marshall and to store such weapons in the unit Arms Room.
You don’t have to like the order but you are obligated to obey or suffer the consequences. Or you can end your Military Career at the end of your current enlistment.
How did he get his protective mask to seal?When I was stationed at Ft. Carson there was a Major assigned to DENTAC who was a practicing Sikh, he was allowed to wear both a turban and a beard.
How did he get his protective mask to seal?
However, as I stated this is a WRITTEN order that prohibits CONCEALED CARRY only. It does not prohibit or even mention open carry. Thus, if I was the OP, I would open carry in a heartbeat. Because the order is WRITTEN, the Army must abide by the limitations of the order, and the order specifically prohibits concealed carry and nothing else.
NAVYLT I see what you're saying but I'd hate to bet my career on your interpretation of the order. I could see a very convincing argument that the commander's intent was to prohibit carry period.
They know and
understand the no conceal carry order and it's reason. While they do
not like the order, they follow it.
Creature said:That order exceeds the base CO's authority and needs to be challenged. ASAP.
While hiking, open carry is more comfortable than carrying concealed.
The order came from at least 2 or 3 levels above a base CO. Brigadier General Raymond P. Palumbo, USARAK Commanding General
evidently there was an incident some years back when they were about to deploy, I don't want to go into details about something I am uncertain of but you can find alot of it here and with the links provided there in.
unfortunatley it is a lawful order (i.e I'm not breaking any laws by following it). So as long as I'm here and I want to play by the rules I am limited to open carry, I would ccw to spite the rules but in the off chance I get caught concealing or use it to defend myself and it makes it into a report I was carrying concealed, regardless of whether or not I was in the right or wrong the military will see it as grounds for ucmj and I can't risk that.