Who Makes The Best AR-15?

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BCM rules. And they have a ton of uppers with midlength gas systems and real good FF rail systems prebuilt ready to go. So now I don't have to custom install a Larue or DD rail. I can just buy the upper with it.

My BCM stuff= my Colt stuff.
 
A good source of information that I found helpful when I went shopping for a good quality AR can be found here:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&gid=5

As far as the best bang for your buck goes I would probably list them in this order:
Colt
Daniel Defense
BCM
LMT
S&W
Sabre Defense
Stag
Armalite
Rock River Arms
DPMS
Bushmaster
Olympic

I have a Daniel Defense M4-XV and I couldn't be happier with it.
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Nobody makes a "best" AR, just like there's no "best" recipe for meatloaf.

Now, purpose-built custom jobs, on the other hand, can be pretty impressive.

Nobody makes what I'd personally consider the "best" AR, but my needs are vastly different from everyone else's. :)
 
I have an Olympic that is my 'beater' rifle. It has never jammed or given me any problems, but it not a real nice rifle. I have an M&P15T that I have have been very pleased with. It had all the features on it that I was looking for at the time. If I was going to buy a new complete one right now, I might look at the new Ruger SR-556.
 
nwilliams,

Nice stick! I recently acquired my first, a DD XVM. It is a middy but just all stock right now. I do like that vfg you are sporting on yours though.
 
9 times out of 10 people are going to say that whatever they own is the "best". It's a milspec rifle with little to no variations between the known brands. The differences are usually a matter of preference. My advice? Do copious amounts of research then build your own.
 
It's a milspec rifle with little to no variations between the known brands.

There are actually pretty substantial variations among different brands, from component parts all the way to assembly procedures. You can argue over whether those differences make a difference for a particular use; but they are definitely there.

To give just one example, look at just the barrel on three "M4"-style carbines from Bravo Company, Smith and Wesson and Olympic:

1. Bravo Company will have a barrel that meets MIL-B-11595E specs. It will be magnetic particle inspected and proof tested. It will have an M4 front sight base and be parked underneath the front sight base. It will have a 5.56 chamber. It will have a chrome-lined barrel and chamber and have M4 feed ramps. It will also have a 1:7 twist.

2. Smith and Wesson will have a 4140 steel barrel. The barrels will be batch tested (random samples from each batch) for magnetic particle and proof testing. It will have an M4 front sight base and be parked underneath the front sight base. It will have a 5.56 chamber. It will have a chrome-lined barrel and chamber and have M4 feed ramps. It will also have a 1:9 twist.

3. Olympic will have a 4140 unlined steel barrel. The barrels will be batch tested (random samples from each batch) for magnetic particle and proof testing. It will have a rifle front sight base and not be parked underneath. It will have M4 feed ramps; but no chrome lining. It will have a 1:9 twist.
 
Why don't I see anything about BCM on here? On my thread I had guys giving me advice that led to that brand as a good choice too.

Because joe90 resurrected a two year old thread. You didn't hear as much about BCM back then.
 
All main AR components are made at the same 2 Tooling places. One is LMT Lewis Machine and Tool and I can't think of the other one _MT<--? Then different manufacturers put them together and add upgrades. The basic AR build, I don't think you can say who is "best" because they put together the same basic interchangeable main parts.

Now, who provides the best upgrades better triggers, grips, etc. on their sale rifles?? I would say LMT and Rock River. Before someone says I am biased, I own a Smith and Wesson MP 15 which I love, but it wasn't the most finished rifle I could have purchased. It just had the best price at the time. Just pick one and start building on it. It's a grown man's erector set! :D
 
To give just one example, look at just the barrel on three "M4"-style carbines from Bravo Company, Smith and Wesson and Olympic:

1. Bravo Company will have a barrel that meets MIL-B-11595E specs. It will be magnetic particle inspected and proof tested. It will have an M4 front sight base and be parked underneath the front sight base. It will have a 5.56 chamber. It will have a chrome-lined barrel and chamber and have M4 feed ramps. It will also have a 1:7 twist.

2. Smith and Wesson will have a 4140 steel barrel. The barrels will be batch tested (random samples from each batch) for magnetic particle and proof testing. It will have an M4 front sight base and be parked underneath the front sight base. It will have a 5.56 chamber. It will have a chrome-lined barrel and chamber and have M4 feed ramps. It will also have a 1:9 twist.

3. Olympic will have a 4140 unlined steel barrel. The barrels will be batch tested (random samples from each batch) for magnetic particle and proof testing. It will have a rifle front sight base and not be parked underneath. It will have M4 feed ramps; but no chrome lining. It will have a 1:9 twist.

I just got done with a lot of research on my first AR and this is what I noticed.

You can buy a brand new rifle that isn't built to true GI standards for $1200, buy a true GI spec'd rifle for $1500....or you can buy a lower from BCM for $360 and an upper for $700, with a properly built, tested, and assembled bolt carrier group, and have a top tier rifle for $1100 just because you bought the pieces seperately. To "assemble" the pieces requires no more skill than a basic field take down for cleaning. Just put in your charging handle and BGC and snap the upper to the lower.

I would vote for Noveske, LMT and BCM as the best 3 from my research. I'm going to be picking up a BCM upper one of these days, they are priced much more competitively than the others.

Oh! You can just go here and pick up a nice lightweight Colt for $1059:

https://policeguns.com/catalog/prod...cts_id=5639&osCsid=q5hjiknad4pe15mp0sg6o57tq0
 
any olympic made in the last 10 years is a very good rifle and a good value

heavy bolt carrier
properly staked gas key
barrels are some of the best on the market
good fit and finish
dead reliable
that is my opinion based on owning two of their rifles (one i run very often, very hot, and very dirty)

my beater:
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Zombie thread.

I really like my Noveske though.

LMT, BCM, DD and Colt have really nice rifles too.
 
All main AR components are made at the same 2 Tooling places. One is LMT Lewis Machine and Tool and I can't think of the other one _MT<--?

Actually, this is not the case. Lewis Machine and Tool and Connecticut Machine and Tool (who also have their own AR brand - Stag) make a large number of parts for the AR market; but they are not the only makers.

If you are talking actual forges producing AR receivers, there is Alcoa, Harvey, Martin Marietta, Kaiser, Cerro Metal, and probably a few others I left out. If you are talking about places that partially machine their own parts, there are at least two dozen I can think of off the top of my head.

Finally, it is important to remember that while the same place that makes a part for Colt might also make the same part for Model 1 Sales, it doesn't necessarily mean that the parts were made to the same specifications or even using the same metals. There are a hundred places to cut corners on an AR15 and make your price point better - and 99% of your customers would never know because they won't ever shoot the rifle enough to notice the difference.

To use just one example, instead of selling you a forged 7075T6 aluminium receiver, I can sell you a "billet" receiver made out of cheaper 6061 Aluminium - and charge you extra because it is a "billet" receiver, which everyone knows is better, right?

Or another fun one, I can save myself about a few cents per part by using pot metal for the receiver endplate on a telestock and loctiting it on instead of using the actual specified metal and staking it. You won't ever know unless you try to stake it or change the telestock. On the off chance you do stake it and find out the metal is brittle enough to shatter, I just send you a new one gratis with a snappy gizmo included. Maybe I even blame "a bad heat treatment" or something similar. You rave about my customer service and I still saved money on the other 1,000 that nobody noticed.
 
Actually, this is not the case. Lewis Machine and Tool and Connecticut Machine and Tool (who also have their own AR brand - Stag) make a large number of parts for the AR market; but they are not the only makers.

If you are talking actual forges producing AR receivers, there is Alcoa, Harvey, Martin Marietta, Kaiser, Cerro Metal, and probably a few others I left out. If you are talking about places that partially machine their own parts, there are at least two dozen I can think of off the top of my head.

Finally, it is important to remember that while the same place that makes a part for Colt might also make the same part for Model 1 Sales, it doesn't necessarily mean that the parts were made to the same specifications or even using the same metals. There are a hundred places to cut corners on an AR15 and make your price point better - and 99% of your customers would never know because they won't ever shoot the rifle enough to notice the difference.

To use just one example, instead of selling you a forged 7075T6 aluminium receiver, I can sell you a "billet" receiver made out of cheaper 6061 Aluminium - and charge you extra because it is a "billet" receiver, which everyone knows is better, right?

Or another fun one, I can save myself about a few cents per part by using pot metal for the receiver endplate on a telestock and loctiting it on instead of using the actual specified metal and staking it. You won't ever know unless you try to stake it or change the telestock. On the off chance you do stake it and find out the metal is brittle enough to shatter, I just send you a new one gratis with a snappy gizmo included. Maybe I even blame "a bad heat treatment" or something similar. You rave about my customer service and I still saved money on the other 1,000 that nobody noticed.

I submit this post for nomination as the best summary of "AR-15 quality" issues of the year. This should be required reading for anyone getting into AR-15s.

vanfunk
 
Century Arms...

Nah, just build the rifle yourself. Thats what I did and I'm no expert at anything, its that easy. And when you build it yourself you can make it however you want and its cheaper.
 
I bought a rock river after to talking to several instructors i delt with in the army, since then Ive always asked any gunsmith Iv ever talked to do to the fact Im a slut when it comes to tactical weapons. Ive always gotten the same responce, Rock River is one of the top 3 as far as quality and price. Mine is an A4 style, I have no less than 5000 rounds out of it and never once had any problems. For 1050 bucks its been a great buy and I would suggest them to anyone with full confidence.
 
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