Who still wants an ACR?

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I like the ACR, but I have to ask; what does it do that that RobArms XCR and ParaOrdnance TTR don't?
 
I consider aesthetics to be a considerable portion of what I like about a gun. IMHO it looks much nicer than an XCR.
 
I am considering one. If it had a lightweight pencil barrel my mind would be made up.
 
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High prices on new products should never surprise anybody. This phenomenon happens with every new product. When they are brand new, the production is relatively low, but fixed costs have to be covered--that means high prices initially.

Once volume picks up, prices drop. This has happened with cell phones, computers, TV, and radio. If you love the ACR, just pray for massive sales to people wealthier/less frugal than you.
 
Murphys Law said:
Sorry Elvis, I have to agree with Zak. Beer prices have definitely gone up since 2007 and unfortunately have not come back down
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Well thank you, thank you very much. For responding. What kind of beer are you drinking? Woodchuck was $6.95 a six-pack in '07 in KCMO. It's like $6.99 now (using Price-Chopper as a reference for price).

Brianb said:
Once volume picks up, prices drop. This has happened with cell phones, computers, TV, and radio. If you love the ACR, just pray for massive sales to people wealthier/less frugal than you.
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Even then however, what are you getting that an AR-15 doesn't already do? Or the XCR for that matter? Everything listed on the ACR sans the ridiculous caliber changing process has been done by the XCR reliably for years! AR's change caliber easier as well. Less steps.

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I like the ACR, but I have to ask; what does it do that that RobArms XCR and ParaOrdnance TTR don't?
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That's the whole point of the thread.
 
Like I said, the only thing I have against the ACR now is the bean-counter inflated price. It's not just fixed cost. Remington and Bushmaster are owned by the same capital management corporation now.

For all the personality failings of Robarm's owner, he is a gun person and prices the XCRs quite reasonably considering the low-volume high quality assembly and production. Bushmaster and Remington WILL gouge for however much they think people will pay, and going by the market demand for tacticool EBRs, they're figuring people will pay quite a bit.

None of this reflects poorly upon the design of the weapon, however. I've followed this thing since it was just the 'Masada'. This is Magpul's take on the kind of features a modern fighting carbine should have, and their record on products for fighting carbines is absolutely glowing.

From what I recall, their original intent was to design a piston upper for an AR-15, but finally took it further than that until it was a different weapon all together.
 
If the ACR came down to say $1100 or so range, I'd want one. But, for $2000-3000, thats a big "Pass" on my part.
 
VCRs pushed into 4 digit prices when new, now you can get one for $20.

If you want an ACR but don't want to pay the premium, wait for all the mall-ninjas with more cash than sense to buy them up and pay for the R&D. We'll get them at a reasonable price in a couple years or less.
 
It would have to be hitting 1200-1400 to buy one. I see them flopping honestly. I don't think they will really be accepted into the private sector. I think for just coming out, they have already left a bad taste in people's mouth.

JOe
 
Actually got to fondle one today after posting on this thread. Very nice feel to it. Want one more now but will wait. It was marked at $2375.
 
I want one very badly. Just not for $2,400. Let it come down to $1,700, and then I'll be interested in buying.
 
Too much cost for not enough advantage over my AR.

Id rather buy another AR, piston kit, and one of those new buffer spring assemblies that help with carrier tilt, and spend half the cost of the ACR or less.
 
Considering LMT's modular 308 has proven absolutely bulletproof reliable, has shown 1/2 MOA accuracy, and retails for around $2500 ... in my humble opinion the ACR is dead in the water for all but the novelty-seeking folks with too much money.
 
I'll wait for a Masada edition to come out. Or until stripped recievers and aftermarket furniture come. The 16" should have rifle length rails IMO.

I doubt any of that will ever happen though. Shrubby killed a good prototype.
 
I looked an ACR over the other day at Sportsmans Whse. ($2300.00 fixed stock)
I think it will do everything an XCR will do, but it seems like a rather flimsy copy when compairing the two.
For that price I'll find something better to do with my money.
 
I would take an ACR for $1000... maybe.

Mind you, $1100 gets you an FAL with a forged, milled receiver (DSA STG-58), $1400 gets you a nice M1A, and $1200-1400 gets you a really really nice M4gery. And someone pointed out that LMT's .308 is around $2500.
 
People always want to have something new and shiny, and are willing to pay top dollar for it, regardless of the condition the product touts and actually delivers.

Personally, I'm happy with my Dan Wesson .357 (circa 70's) 5 inch barrel with combat grips and 150 grain hydroshocks, my buck shot loaded Mossberg 500, and my Savage 93R17 plinker/light hunting rifle. I figure that between the three, theres not much that can get at me without getting at least banged up first. I will probably pick up a 1911 and a .308 rifle in the future, but Im perfectly happy with my older revolver and my two other toys
 
I'll get one eventually. Hopefully long after the prices come down. If by some strange cosmic event that prices don't go down, it'll still be at least 2-4 years.

That being said I want one as a novelty item, not as a serious duty rifle. I have a FAL and a Saiga for that.
 
Well, it may show some innovative features, but I'm sure not going to buy one for anywhere near that price. A lot of folks bemoan the current AR-15 platform, but it has always worked well for me, and I see no reason to change at this point.
 
Ya know why these products are coming out at such high prices don't ya!? If ANY manufacturer has hopes of ever realizing a GOVERNMENT CONTRACT, they (A) have to develop these things on their own dime AND, (B) then not sell them to you or John Q. Public for anything less than the government would pay....soooo, they are relatively high due to the fact Uncle same doesn't want to see the same thing Bushmaster just tried to whack them for $2,500 each, on sale at Supersports for $1,400.00!! Got it? :)

By the way, do you know the US Government gets their M249s for $3,600 each? Guns is the business to be in! I know there are some heavy duty expensive machines that make those babies, but come on, what happened to the price advantages of stamped and bent steel and plastic molded parts?

Bean counters are more involved in the equation that many realize. At least our government seems to recognize quality. I guess when you are paying millions or billions per ship, plane, submarine, a $3,600 dollar gun seems like a Bargain!
 
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