Unless you're clearing hallways and rooms in a crack house don't even consider a PGO. It is a very specialized tool that offers advantages in tight spaces but takes a much higher level of skill and practice to use anywhere else. A full stock allows use of slugs with a good deal of accuracy. A full stock also allows you to shoot from the hip if you don't have time to mount the gun. But the all time best advantage of having a full stock ? - the Marine Corps buttstroke.
Who uses a Pistol Grip ONLY?
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TurkeyOak
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I bought an AR style stock, pistol grip with adjustable stock. See http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/SHT-286
I think you need to shoulder a shotgun for accuracy. When I shoot from the hip I'm wild, but shoulder it and im dead on.
You can shorten it up for home defense or extend it for clays, etc.
I think you need to shoulder a shotgun for accuracy. When I shoot from the hip I'm wild, but shoulder it and im dead on.
You can shorten it up for home defense or extend it for clays, etc.
oneounceload
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Not really as the 20 is typically lighter than the 12 ans can actually have MORE recoil than a 12. Even a way-too-short youth stock is better than a PGO grip; but if you really MUST have something like that -at least get the "bird'shead" grip - a more relaxed angle, it doesn't hurt as much
http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=14
Youngster
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Not really in typical riot length barrel 12 gauge pump guise, when I think of lightweight in a 12 gauge I think of sub 6 lbers like the Ithaca 37 Ultralight or the H&R singles.
Now the entry/breaching length guns like the Serbu Super Shorty are certainly light, though they don't have as much recoil as you'd think as they lose a lot of power on both ends with their short barrels.
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Well...I am gonna argue with that a bit, if you don't mind.
A - the singles from H&R/NEF really don't fit into this discussion.
B - when one takes a full length stock off a gun, as well as a few inches of barrel, a substantial amount of weight has been removed. In my book, anything under seven pounds is a lightweight SG..YMMV.
C - Having never shot a Shorty, I have no first hand experience. I do know that recoil is a function of weight (of shot, powder, gun) and velocity. Given the same powder and shot stats for both a SS at 4lbs and a FL SG at seven pounds (most FL SGs weigh more than this) reducing the velocity to 900 fps for the SS (from 1200 for the FL SG) the recoil of the small gun is actually more that the FL gun. At 850 fps, they are the same. Of course, I am only guessing at the SS velocity. (Does anyone know what the velocity is out of 6.5" bbl.?)
The point of this set of data is that PGOs do have more recoil....they weigh less than the same gun with a longer barrel and longer stock. Lighter guns have more recoil, all other factors being the same. They would have to lose a whole lot of velocity for that to change.
The weight difference between a Mossberg Persuader/Cruiser when going from FS to PGO is one pound and a 16% increase in free recoil.
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Glockedout17
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Lol, that shockwave grip looks ridiculous. I've curved myself off of the whole pistol grip thing, after reading this thread and a few others, it all makes sense. You need that added shoulder support to send lead where you want it to go.
Sam1911
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Maybe there's some middle ground for shorty 12 ga. guns?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=675617
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=675617
Youngster
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You are technically correct but for me and the purposes of talking recoil, "lightweight" is the point where a shotgun subjectively starts becoming somewhat uncomfortable to shoot heavy loads out of even with good shooting form.
The typical 870 and Mossberg riot length PGOs aren't really there unless you get into magnum loads.
The same with the Serbu type guns, t exactly the most scientific of oberservations, if you go on Youtube you'll see that for most folks they are at least as easy to handle for a given load than full sized PGOs.
Except for the muzzle blast I didn't find these intimidating to shoot at all.
I believe the Serbu, which has an actual barrel length of something like 7 3/16s, typically clocks from 950-1150 with regular full power buckshot.
I think pistol grips get a bad rap. Most HD sitation will be very up close and personal, and a 12,or 20 GA, pistol grip will put a bad guy 5-10 feet away down hard. Id take one over a 9mm anyday in my hallway.
Also, Hockok45 was hitting his gong, one handed with slugs without a problem.
Its raw knock down power.
Also, Hockok45 was hitting his gong, one handed with slugs without a problem.
Its raw knock down power.
TreeDoc
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Have a Houge tamer pistol grip for sale cheap. Use a full stock.
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