Who Would Choose .357 Mag Over .45 ACP For Home Defense?

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I currently have Three 9mm, two .357 Mag. and a .45 ACP. I currently use the Sig P220 .45 ACP as a HD gun, however, lately I have been thinking of selling it and using my 6" SS Security Six .357 or my 3" SP101 as a HD gun.

My concern is muzzle flash and over penetration with the .357 mag.

Please don't suggest .38's, I use them for target, but would never depend on it for HD, I would choose one of my 9mm over a .38, but that's just me.

Why 9mm over .38:

Speer Gold Dot Ballistics, 4" Barrel

.38 125 gr. +P, 945 fps & 248 flbs energy
9mm 124 gr. +P, 1220 fps & 410 flbs energy

Sigbear
 
I vote for the 6" .357 for home defense.

Plenty of load choices, and likely the best trigger of the bunch.





Also, why sell the Sig? It costs you nothing to keep.
 
Since you posted in the Revolver section I might expect responses to swing that way.

Who Would Choose .357 Mag Over .45 ACP For Home Defense?
I wouldn't. I think the bigger slower moving bullet with considerably less recoil is the way to go for a HD gun. I also shoot the .45 much better than I do revolvers. I currently own 2 .357 Magnum revolvers as well but don't use them for HD. Right now I'm using 9mm around the house until I replace the .45 I sold. It boils down to personal preference.
 
I'd choose 45 over 357. A lower weight bullet in 45 that is still sub sonic will be better on your ears, less recoil and less penetration should you miss. Love my 357's and 10mm's but use a sub sonic 40 or 9mm for a nightstand gun. My Glock 17 with a +2 gives me 19+1 rds. on tap plus as many 33 rd. mags as I feel like loading for reloads.
 
.45

Why?

.357s hurt my ears, add a confined space and muzzle flash and you're deaf and blind for awhile.
 
i would comment towards your question but since you said you would never trust a 38. to stop an intruder i can only assume you are beyond reason... i see people posting that junk all the time.. what kinda armor wearing combatants do you guys think is coming for ya... thats like saying if puch came to shove i would never use a steak knife for defense because it doesnt have a thick blade like my tactical ones do... plan and simple shoot somebody with something in the right place just once with any gun from a 22lr to a 50bmg.. and its over.. shot placement is the real decider for home defense of all your pistols you should choose whichever one you shoot best... and if thats the revovlers i truley suggest you use 38s. the 357 is no more accurate at hd ranges and 5 times as likely to make you deaf.. personally i use a 45 in the 1911 platform... anyways best of luck
 
I have used both my Python & Mod 17 for night stand duty as well as any of my 45's -- I really don't feel any less secure or protected ;)
 
In a minority opinion answer to your first question, I would certainly choose a .357 over a .45 ACP–especially with that big Ruger–but only because I am fairly well trained with a revolver and have years of reflexive skills to lean on there, while I consider auto shooting to be a bit more of a commitment.

(This goes triple or quadruple for my .45 of choice–my colt commander. I might be less concerned with my own competence in the middle of the night if I owned less of an "experts" gun, say, a Glock 21 or something...).

In short, I'm basically a revolver guy (on this forum, go figure); especially for HD, FWEIW.

Like highorder alludes, with a 6-inch Ruger, you can pretty much write your own ticket for this type of job. There's a lot of load options out there. Flash with good loads will be greatly reduced in the long tube (perhaps even perfect, just enough to illuminate the sights with low-flash tac loads... you'd have to try some in low light to find out for sure!) and ballistic performance and controllability are both enhanced.

So far as over penetration is concerned, IIRC, the border patrol used 110 gr. loads for some time, in part for concerns of that nature. At the speeds that even the milder 110s will be generating out of that long tube, it's possible that you might actually want more penetration on "active" targets, not less.

I'd personally vote for keeping the GP 100 close at hand with medium velocity tac loads (ie; 125 gr. golden saber Remington, Corbon dpx, Buffalo 125 GDHP lite). I'm no big expert, mind, but I'd think that these would be at max velocity for bullet design out of the 6-inch gun, low flash, lower report/blast (perhaps a secondary but, as mentioned, very real concern for HD) and *especially* super-easy recoil in the big Ruger–by .357 standards.

With a sidearm that size, you can totally have your magnum cake and eat it too, IMHO.

Just one opinion, of course, other equal-to-more qualified opinions may well differ. Beyond that, if all I had was the .45, I'd make do somehow...
;)
 
My concern is muzzle flash and over penetration with the .357 mag.

My first reaction to this is "how often have you ever used a gun in self defense?" But I have said the same exact thing, that's why I use xx spl's. (I didn't say those nasty numbers. :) )

This may sound stupid but frankly after you have shot for a while and are comfortable with the particular gun, one box of shells is about all you need for home defense since you probably wouldn't be shooting over 10-12 feet distance anyway. But in the event something happened, a bit of practice is a good thing.
 
For me, my self defense gun/ammo combo is a ruger gp-100 with Buffalo Bore 158 +p .38's. Heavy round moving at over 1100 fps with flash retardent powder and much less noise than a 125 gr. 357. (which, if you have to shoot in a hallway will leave you deaf)
 
I would, unless said .45 was a revolver. If it were a .357, I'd load it with .38 Special. I might not take the gun out and give it a cleaning for a while and I don't like the idea of an auto that's going to sit for a long time loaded and not get cleaned/lubed or have the magazine rotated. It's more a revolver vs auto thing with me rather than a caliber war and I'm plenty happy with a .38.
 
Which one can you hit better with?

Muzzle flash should be a non issue if you turn the lights on instead of trying to sneak up on the intruder.

How would you positively identify that it's actually an intruder with bad intentions instead of your neighbor that had too much to drink and kicked in your door thinking his wife locked him out?

The gun you should be using is the one you are most accurate with, not based on caliber statistics, bullet weight, gel block tests etc. If you're really worried about missing, perhaps you should rethink the platform.

Wheeler
 
I don't understand why these piss fights over this gun or that for HD.

I say we all need to spend more time figuring out the terrain we are going be fighting in/protecting and build around that.

Each room will be different, so you need to figure out how to protect it based on many factors. Is it an inside wall an outside wall etc.

My point is, what works in the bedroom might not work in the living room, the kitchen, the garage, the bathrooms, etc.

There is no perfect weapon that covers the entire house so have many weapons in the house that were selected for each room.

Figure it all out as a whole and decide if you want to be agressive or make a stand off in each room.

When done properly Shotguns, handguns, longuns, knives, canes, etc might also come into play. I saw a video the otherday where someone had placed a piece of wood by the firepalce that looked totally safe. The great thing is that piece of wood turned into a perfect bludgeon when picked up.

In battle terrain always decides how it will end so make the terrain yours by having many weapons that let you control the terrain.
 
Your snubby 357 won't shoot any faster than your 9mm's use what you shoot the best with, practice with it and call it good.

I clocked a healthy 125 gr 357 load from a snubby and was shocked to see it was no faster than a standard 9mm, about 1200fps. Big difference is the flash and noise and concussion of the short barrel/cylinder gap combo. One could argue that all that extra noise is a good thing, but indoors that could certainly be a bad thing. I'd go with the full size 357 over the SP101.

Honestly 357/45/9mm are all good choices. That 220 is a very well made pistol why are you looking to change?
 
I carry a .357 snub because I'm a revolver guy - not because it's better than a .45 - it isn't.

I could carry a .45 revolver. But it would be too heavy and thick IMO.

At home, next to the bed, there is no doubt in my mind that the .45 revolver would be ideal and my first choice.

I don't leave a loaded gun around the house for a variety of reasons.

But if I did.....................I'd want the one that dug the widest hole in the bad guy to an adequate depth - one that didn't blast my eardrums late at night - one that didn't cause a large flash of light - and one that recoiled less than the other one. I'd want a nice, fairly short, N frame .45 revolver - NO CONTEST. (and I love my .357 magnum)
 
A nice, fairly short, N frame .45 revolver ...............sounds exactly like my M-24 S&W except that its a .44 Special.

Which happens to be my nightstand gun. The .44 Special has almost exactly the same ballistics as a .45 ACP.

The .44 Special is one of the best kept secrets out there.
 
I used to use my 1911's. But after several decades now of shooting, I find I like to keep a few .357 revolvers at hand, not the .45s. In a stress situation, the simplicity of the revolver action and the longer, more deliberate trigger pull make me feel more certain. The .357 can be loaded (or ammo purchased) to any performance spectrum you want - less than, roughly equal to, or much harder hitting than a standard .45acp. Plus I do not live alone, so there must be the assumption that at some time it could be her alone reaching for the weapon, and my reasons become even stronger.

To me, the choice is one of platform, not caliber.
 
I would choose a 1911 .45 ACP over any .357 Magnum revolver for home defense. I shoot that gun very well and the low boom of the .45 is much easier on the ears and nerves inside without ear protection. I love my .357's, and I would be happy with one for home defense, but for me, it's the .45 first. It is what is loaded as I type.

I actually have more .357's than .45's. There are just so many cool revolvers out there, I can't help it. :D
 
The .44 Special is one of the best kept secrets out there.

Well now, if you are going to expand the choices...

;)

My personal nightstand gun is also a .44 special... and I'd love an N-frame S&W 625 or something. If my .44 needs cleaning or something though, I have numerous .357s to pinch-hit.

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Oro,
We're in total agreement, FWIW.
 
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