Why are employees afraid to admit gun ownership?

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This is my Companys lawyer. At the top of the page it says "contact us" I encourage you to send him a short note.
I'm not sure what I'd send him a short note about, at this time it appears to be a moot point. Until such a time as they come up with 'something new', I'll be in 'wait and see' mode. I feel sorry for all the folks that signed and returned that policy no questions asked.
 
I realise it is less effective than talking to a wall, however I tried to give him a short explanation of who carries with a license and will obay the signs and laws and who carries and does not. I tried to show him who should be feared and who should not.
 
So, the 'deadline' has come and gone.. many people haven't signed and nobody has heard a peep outta the H.R. 'department'.

I think at least this is a partial success, we've managed to get them to rethink things.

One of my co-workers says he's pretty sure they're trying to come up with some way to 'save face' so they don't look like idiots.

As far as I'm concerned, that's just plain childish. Adults face up to their mistakes and fix them without trying to hide the fact that they made a mistake. As far as I'm concerned this type of activity makes them worse than politicians in my eyes... :fire:
 
They just spammed everybody that didn't sign and didn't complain about it (that would not include me of course). Again telling them to sign and return the policy..

This leaves a company with dual standards, those foolish enough to sign are under the new policy those who didn't are not...

Boy this is some serious stupid stuff going on... fun to watch, too bad I'm in the middle of it now :evil:
 
In addition to the safety aspects, the policy attempts to define company property as including the private property of anyone that comes into the company buildings or enters any company lands. For example, the policy forbids the possession or use of ‘dangerous weapons’ on company property and then proceeds to define company property to include all vehicles that come onto company property. The extension of the usual and normal meaning of “Company Property†is open to abuse and could be interpreted as “malicious purpose†under 2923.126 C(2)(a) and thus negate the immunities provided by law.
interesting. so while your vehicle is on 'company property', it becomes 'property of the company'? wonder if you could file claims with their insurance should something happen to your vehicle. afterall, it is THEIR property while its on THEIR lot, right?

a lot of times the efforts at writing new company policy regarding weapons has to do with insurance. a liability insurance carrier may want to review things such as a companys employee handbook, to see how they have addressed issues like workplace harrassment, consumption of alcoholic beverages/illegal drugs, and whether or not weapons are prohibited.

from the standpoint of the insurance carrier, it reduces risk of having to pay a claim if the employer turns company property into a 'disarmed zone'. they feel that there is a lesser chance of having to pay out for 'wrongful deaths' on those premises.
an insurance carrier can rest assured that wrongful death claims arising BECAUSE every employee is disarmed will be denied, because an employee is under no obligation to keep that job and comply with being disarmed.
the insurance carrier will argue that the employee could have found work elsewhere.

i talked with a guest speaker last winter about it, his presentation was about workplace accidents and how they can be avoided with the help of insurance agents. i asked him how he felt about 'no-weapons' policies and he gave the usual boilerplate answer.
i told him the same things we all say about this kind of thing, how a simple policy wont prevent a disgruntled employee from bringing a weapon and harming others, much like the laws that prohibit criminals from possessing a weapon dont prevent them from obtaining any.
but he went on about how employers can look for 'warning signs' and how 'patterns of violence can be observed', hopefully to lead up to firing the employee before they go on a killing spree.

the next speaker was from OSHA, and he was more on the topic of contractors and keeping their employees safe from slip-and-falls, and whatnot. but he noticed i had a copy of SWAT with me to read between sessions and he starts going on about how much he loves shooting. so it wasnt a total loss.
 
A new tidbit of information, apparantly the company I work for actually 'leases' the property from another company (same people own it)... I'm guessing for some tax benefits or some such.. not sure..

I don't think it changes anything really.. but how much control can a lessee have over the property? I'm guessing plenty, but I don't know.
 
No company can make you sign an agreement after they hire you.

Not true. If you live in an "at will" employment state, they can let you go for pretty much any reason. They can change the policies after you've been hired and, if you don't sign the new policy, they can choose to let you go for hat. The only exception is if you are covered by a union contract.
 
...but they can't make you sign an agreement after you've been hired.

Of course, in an at-will state, such as the one I live in, they can fire you for any reason.

But if no one caved, then their coercion would fail, even in an at-will state.
 
Since I haven't been on THR since 2004 and I understand this is a bit late, I just had to put my snarky comment in:

Unless they can detect at .45 with a piss test, you should be ok!!

I've heard about one piss test you might try. Take out your .45 and show it to your boss. If he pisses his pants, you failed. :neener:
 
What are nowadays known as HR People, used to be known as Personnel People. Not without good reason, they were also known as Chankers On The Penis Of Progress.

Re some of the preceding comments, it seems as if The More Things Change, The More They are The Same. I first came upon the above in French, where it read as follows. Please bear with my on the diminished quality of my French. Plus ce changer, plus le meme choise.
 
If the company claims your vehicle is company property, simply ask them if they are willing to remit the loan, tax and insurance payments on your behalf.
 
The company I work for has a very stringent "No Weapons" policy. Very similar to what is described in the first post here. All employees had to sign a consent to search form in order to remain employed.

Who on Earth would sign such a thing? I might sign it to keep my job for the very short-term while I found another job, but if they ever actually came to "search" me, I'd hit the door.

Absolutely outrageous. I've never heard of employers in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union searching their employees. I'll bet employees in Cuba and Venezuela aren't subjected to this. North Korea... maybe. I could picture it there.
 
jlbraun "Chankers On The Penis Of Progress"

Low Road.

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Sorry if my phrasing offended you or your sensibilities, however respecting some things I've seen The Personnel Department and or those who reside therein party to, some raw and nasty, some just plain stupid, the phrase I used might just be complimentary.
 
I have to admit that I don't know my own state laws that well, but I know my employer can not search my person for any reason.
Depends. You probably signed a paper buried in that massive pile of new hire documents giving them permission to. I probably did as well.
 
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