Why are guns so important to you?

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We all enjoy the shooting sports, hunting, target shooting and informal plinking are some of the favorite past-times for many Americans and people abroad, also the self-defense aspect is very important to Americans.

But why do YOU think guns are so important to keep? what is YOUR motivation behind owning guns?

Personally it's all of the above.

But what would change if you lost the right to own a firearm? what would you do then? shot airguns? protect your home with alternative weapons? hunt with other weapons?

I am originally from a gun grabbing nation and I feel liberated living in a country that constitutionally permits the ownership of these weapons.

Another question is, if you were born in England during the period the guns disapeared, and you never seen our touched a gun besides the guns of cops and pellet guns, would you still stand so firmly behind your pro-gun believes? or is this ingrained on the American society?

Please don't take this the wrong way, I am NOT a gun-grabber in the slightest but I thought the question was quite interesting to ask.

Any other people from other countries can chip in to this thread as well and discuss why they think they should have such liberties as well.

Thanks :D
 
Well i can answer your

Another question is, if you were born in England during the period the guns disapeared, and you never seen our touched a gun besides the guns of cops and pellet guns, would you still stand so firmly behind your pro-gun believes? or is this ingrained on the American society?

I live in the USA, believe in the 2A. And i believe that guns have there place just like cars. If i grow up in a country were i never saw a gun in real life, i still think i would think the same thing for 2 reason.

1 i read books, most of my ideas and such come from my books, and most books i read have "guns-starships-swords-clubs" in them and the guns are usally used by the "small" guy to stand up to the big bad goverment or such. So in this way i would of figured out that you need to be armed to deal with who is attacking you, and today guns are top of the line-over clubs and swords. Most of the books i read are older to, 1930 to now. So there are books for wwi and wwii, were there was a strong sense that you had to be amred to save your self.

2 in movies the hero has a gun, and uses it to win. "The six samurai (spelling)" in that movie, 6 armed samurai help a village of peasents defend against 40 invaders, to me this showed how important it is to have an armed poeple, not just some ie cops. And yes the USA redid the movie in a western setting. BTW if you have not seen it, its worth it, shows what happens when only the gov and bad guys have weapons, and the lower class are left for them selfs. Both the western and japanse versions are good. But i like the Jap one better


with these two areas i would learn the "truth", sense i rarly watch tv, or read the newpaper, it would not matter if ever day the gov/media is saying how bad guns are, i would never hear it.
 
Why are guns/weapons important to me?

For me, it is the defense of the bill of rights. It is with firearms that we are able to defend this document so that citizens of the United States are able to enjoy the freedoms it guarantees. Without firearms, we have no way of defending our way of life. Power of the people keeps a big .gov in check. A lot of other countries could only dream of these rights because they do not have access to a means of preserving their freedoms.

I'm sure someone out there could word this more eloquently, but my way is pretty easy to understand.

That and guns are just cool-anything that goes bang is cool with me.
 
"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party." ~Mao Tse Tung

As long as there are enough gun owners to keep the gov scared the people still have power. The less gun owners the less power. Once the gov has no fear of the relatiation of the people what's to stop them from not representing the people's wishes?

If no one has a gun and the gov declares no more elections, no more voting, we will do what we want, what are you going to do about it? Storm the capitol with a protest placard?

I also agree with all the reasons listed so far.
 
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I've had a gun of some form in my hand since I was a wee one of no less than 7 years. I will more than likely die sitting at a shooting range with a half empty magazine 70 years from now. Firearms have defined me as far back as I can remenber and I can't imagine a world where I don't own some type of weapon.

I beleive in self-defence, overthrowing corrupt goverments, defending my country from outside armies, and defending my home from would be burgulars. However I wasn't orignally drawn into the world of small arms for the above listed.

I was first drawn into small arms because I liked seeing the action kick the brass out. It was a simple as that.
 
"Metal and Wood"


by Dennis Bateman

http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/library/Metal_and_Wood.html



The following essay was originally published at www.TheFiringLine.com

It is a rare person who does not attach some sort of value or emotion to some physical object or to an event. A home becomes more than a building. A statue of the Virgin Mary, a crucifix, a flag or a song, or even a photograph can stir emotions greater than the value of the material item.

I have a piece of paper showing I served in the military until I was discharged honorably. But, oh, the memories that piece of paper conjures up. The friends, the fun times. The bad times. The times when we were bound closer to strangers than to our own families and, in frightening chaos, our lives hung by a thread.

Many of our friends died far from home. Ask us about the feeling of "American soil" upon returning to the land we loved. Ask those returning soldiers about America.

Remember the old, faintly humorous band of American Legionnaires, wearing out-dated military uniforms straining at the buttons. But, God how proudly they marched. Grinning, waving to friends and families, and always, always "The Flag!" Ask them if the flag is mere cloth, I dare you.

See the elderly lady sitting in a lawn chair watching the fourth of July parade. Three flags carefully folded some forty years ago into triangles now rest in her lap - one for each lost son. Ask her if those flags are mere cloth, I dare you.

Look at the old man quietly crying, leaning against the Iwo Jiima Memorial at Arlington Cemetery. As he turns to you, smiles with some embarrassment, and says in a choked whisper, "I was there." Ask him, "Is it just metal and clay?" Ask him. I dare you.

The Wall. My God, the Wall. See the young man lightly tracing the name of his father there inscribed. Ask him if its just rock. Ask him. I dare you.

My guns? They’re of little real value compared to my family and my home. They are toys, or tools, or both. But what those guns represent to me is greater than all of us, greater than myself, my family, indeed greater than our entire generation. What could be of such value?

The freedom of man to live within civil, self-imposed limitations rather than under restrictions placed upon him by a ruler or a ruling class.

Imagine the daring, the bravery of a few men to declare they intended to create a new country, independent of the burden of their established Rulers!

Those men we call our forefathers were brilliant men. They could have maneuvered themselves into positions of influence within the structure of the times, but they did not. They struggled to free themselves from tyranny. They wrote the Declaration of Independence. And they backed up their words and ideals with metal and wood.

They knew the dangers of such dreams and actions. They knew it was a frightening and dangerous venture into the unknown when they dared reach beyond their grasp for a vision - for an ideal. But they dared to dedicate themselves to achieve Liberty and Freedom for their children, and their children’s children, through the generations.

Imagine the dreams and yearnings of centuries finally being reduced to the written word. The Rights of "We the People!" instead of the "Powers of the Monarchy."

Our forefathers dared to create a new government - a new form of government. And they knew that any organization has, as its first and foremost goal, its continued existence. Second only to that it strives to increase its power. It plots, it devises, it maneuvers to achieve control over its environment - over its subjects.

Our Forefathers decided to make America different from any country, anywhere, at any time in the entire history of the entire world. This country, this new nation of immigrants, would be based upon the concept that people could rule themselves better than any single person or small group of persons could rule them.

Other countries have had outstanding documents with guarantees for its citizens - but the citizens have become enslaved. How, these great men pondered, can we ensure this new government will remain subject to the will of the People?

They wanted limits upon this new government. Therefore, our forefathers wrote limitations into the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And one of those Rights was that metal and wood, as the final power of the people, would secure this country for the future generations.

Metal and wood were the means by which we won our freedom.

Metal and wood were the means by which we kept our freedom.

Metal and wood may be the means by which we regain our freedom.

Metal and wood are the final power of the people. Take away the metal and wood and the people become powerless - they can only beg, they supplicate for favors.

We are unique in our ability to rule ourselves but we are letting it slip away. Today we compromise. We try to appease man’s insatiable appetite for power by throwing him bits of our freedoms. But the insatiable appetite for power can not be appeased. The freedoms we feed him only make us weaker and him stronger. We must conquer him and again ensure the "Blessings of Liberty" won for us by our forefathers.

We must be ready to use metal and wood again, for if we are ready, truly ready, we may be able to conquer the monster with words - for in its heart it is a coward. But if we continue to feed the monster our freedoms, we will become too weak to win, to weak even to fight, and we will become a conquered people. We will have sold ourselves and our future generations into servitude.

If words fail us, we will use metal and wood, we will regain what we have lost, we will achieve what we seek, we will guarantee the America of our forefathers for the future generations.

So you see, our guns are more than metal and wood. They are our heritage of freedom. They are the universally understood symbol that the government, no matter how big and strong it may be, answers to us! They are the tools we will use to prevent tyranny in the land of our forefathers and our children. So, ask me what my guns mean to me. Ask my children what our guns mean to them. Ask us. I dare you.
 
I'm probably in the minority here but I don't really wax rhapsodic about my tools. Well, except for my my Makita 19v hand-drill, damn I love that thing. I should write a poem.
 
Because I'm Jewish.

That says it all.

No one knows better what can happen when people are left defenseless. Unfortunately the holocaust happened long enough ago now that too many people are comfortable believeing it cannot or will not ever happen again. Like it's ancient history. No matter how ancient histroy is it will come back to haunt you again if you don't learn to avoid or stop it. For others holocaust is a goal.
 
Really, there is no way to tell you why, in "25 words or less". I don't think its just an American thing though. Ask anyone in any country or culture, how important the personal safety of their family is. I think you know the answer in advance. Here, we established from the beginning, our ability as Citizens to provide for that safety. It's not something we want taken away.
 
Because I'm Jewish.

You would not believe how many people I work with that are Jewish,hate guns and love the Democratic party.

I'm NOT saying all Jews should (pick your group) think alike.
But Given Worold History, (and I know this is why you said this) One would think lessons would have neen learned.

I shake my head at work everytime they(or anybody else) talks proud of the Democrats and being antigun. For the life of me I cant understand it. So goes history rolling on........:mad:




Otherwise for me owning guns is about Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. In every sense of those words. Jefferson knew what he was doing. God Bless his soul.
 
GrOuNd_ZeRo said:
But why do YOU think guns are so important to keep? what is YOUR motivation behind owning guns?

They are tools; a means to an end if you will. In the case of firearms, they are tools to accomplish freedom and security, and used in sporting pursuits. But they are simply tools in the final analysis; no different than skill saws, swords, or shovels. Granted they are extremely useful, but as tools firearms aid the user in simply accomplishing a task.

In terms of why they are "important to keep," as you say, firearms function in a way that provides security which no other tool provides as well. Although I could accomplish said "security" with lesser tools, why should I? And that answers the second part of your question concerning motivation.
 
"But why do YOU think guns are so important to keep? what is YOUR motivation behind owning guns?"
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To protect my country from the goverment.:cuss:
 
But why do YOU think guns are so important to keep? what is YOUR motivation behind owning guns?

I, like dodging230grainers, am Jewish. My initial interest in guns came about when I was about 8 or so years old and first learned of the Holocaust. I couldn't, for the life of me, understand how people could willingly walk into cattle cars and be herded away like that ... and I still can't. The first question I asked my parents (after "why would anyone do that?") was "why didn't they fight back?" Of course I now know (thanks to JPFO http://www.jpfo.org/ ) that the Nazis systematically disarmed their intended victims - specifically Jews, but others as well - prior to taking them away. Its rather difficult to resist several dozen soldiers armed with rifles who are not just willing, but even eager to cap you, when you've only got your dingus in your hands.

I never did purchase or shoot a firearm until I was 28 (I couldn't do it until age 18 anyway, and I was rather absorbed with paying for college and grad school, and then loans, until then). However, the basic motivation always remained - and has to this day. I will NOT go quietly into the night, and neither will my family. I remember this every time I carry at my shul (synogogue) at services or for some holiday celebration - there have been enough incidents over the years at synogogues and at other locations where Jews have congregated, <un-needed Low Road editorial comment removed by Art> for me to feel extremely uncomfortable when I can't carry (which only happens outside of Texas).

I am also the grandson of refugees from the Soviet Union. The biggest influence on me in this regard was my paternal grandfather, who left near the end of the revolution in 1922. He left because he had to, because Lenin and Trotsky's soldiers were looking for him (he had helped load dead and wounded Red soldiers onto carts, so he knew vital information), so it was run away or be shot. His father, a fairly wealthy person, lost everything he and his father had ever worked for, all in the name of "social justice" or some such crapola. Thus I was introduced to the "do-gooders" and to the power of the state (in a slightly different manner than the Nazis used that power).

I also researched the issue of the RKBA to death (being a lawyer has helped in this regard - I actually understand most of the mumbo-jumbo used in court documents), as well as the history behind the 2nd Amendment, and I've very firmly concluded that the Founders were probably the wisest group of people to assemble in one place, at one time, for one purpose since the days of the Sanhedrin. Among the gems they produced is the knowledge that government cannot be trusted to adopt and implement policies that are in the best interest of the people - and that sometimes the government has to be taken down a peg or two (or raised a branch or two, as the case may be :evil: ).

Between the 3 things cited above, I can state without reservation that: I will NEVER be disarmed. As a Jew, as an American, and as a human being, no force on earth can or will disarm me without also killing me. And if the bastards try that, then I'll make sure that at least a few other families besides mine will be in mourning, hopefully including the families of those giving such illegal and immoral orders.

At this point in time, after having owned and used guns for the better part of 2 decades, I can also appreciate the fun of shooting (and I don't hunt anything other than paper targets or clay pigeons), the skill and discipline that it instills in one, an appreciation of the responsibility of carrying what is literally a lethal weapon in your pocket or attached to your belt (which I can do in Texas...good riddance, PRNJ), and I can also appreciate the fine art of designing and producing firearms (something I'll never be able to do, but I'll always admire). In short, I'm a certified gun nut now, and I'll never be cured (nor do I want to be - I'm having too much fun).

I hope to infect my kids as I've been infected, so that they will always be able to defend themselves and their families. We Jews have not long had the ability to practice our right to self defense (for which I am eternally grateful to this country, the greatest on Earth), but I intend to make sure that my kin will be able to do so for as long as possible.
 
Because

Because Jesus said in Luke 22:36 - Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. And since I am not very tallented with a sword, and a gun is easier to use as a CCW!

Because I love my country and the founding fathers knew that for America to flourish the Government should fear it's citizens, not the other way around.

Because I love my wife and kids, and would die to protect them... but would rather have the BG die instead!

Because I do like to hunt, target shoot, and generally make things go boom!

;)
 
XD9fan

You would not believe how many people I work with that are Jewish,hate guns and love the Democratic party.

I'm NOT saying all Jews should (pick your group) think alike.
But Given Worold History, (and I know this is why you said this) One would think lessons would have neen learned.

I'm with you on that - I've got family members who feel that way (mostly by marriage :neener: ), and I've talked myself blue in the face trying to change minds without result. I am at a complete loss to explain this, except as a bad psychological reaction to the feeling (or actuality) of victimhood. Suffice it to say, I will NOT be a victim.

Note that there are lots of Jews who aren't hoplophobic blissninnies. My wife has an uncle who was in Auschwitz and 3 of Herr Shicklegruber's other resort locations, and he is ALWAYS armed. My folks, and several uncles and great uncles also were/are proponents of having arms and ammo ready, "just in case." Similarly, I have lots of friends around the country who are Jewish and armed (2, in particular, who could equip not-so-small armies by themselves), and several members of my synogogue (including the Rabbi) carry regularly and go shooting with me regularly.
 
pdowg881

No offense, but your tagline has been proven to be a fictitious quote. As much as I despise Hitler and everything he stood for and did, and as much as I'm against gun control (really people control through restricting firearms availability), using inaccurate or false quotes won't help us - it'll only hurt when the antis prove this. Here's the proof: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus.html

I know that you didn't know this, and use it with only the best of intentions - but facts are facts.
 
Thank you for your replies, they were most insightful.

I am happy i'm not alone as a gun nut who is just slightly paranoid about the government and the control they would have over us without guns.

What in your opinion stops disarmed nation's politicians from doing tyranical things? like my homeland the Netherlands, the UK, Australia, etc?

One thing is for sure though, in such countries you virtually have no chance in case of a home invasion (with armed BG's) unless you have the priviledge to own a shotgun for hunting or something.
 
I truly enjoy knowing that I can competently protect myself and my family. I like the self sufficiency of it all -- despite the fact that our society has clamped down greatly on our personal defenses. I will always own firearms so long as I am alive, no matter what happens. That right is something that won't ever be willingly taken from me.

Beyond the seriousness of it all -- I enjoy shooting. I like the feeling it gives me and it's definitely a serious release.
 
Because I love freedom, and the unarmed and defenseless have no freedom. They let me maintain my liberty, put food on my table, and keep the ill disposed off my back, and help me to protect my loved ones to the ultimate.
 
Guns are invaluable as protection from crime. They are also a great form of sport and personal enjoyment.

And through hunting, I have a connection to where our food really comes from. As a society, we have just about lost that appreciation when our protein is prepackaged in cellophane and styrofoam to become filet mignoin (sp?), cutlets, tenderloin, and bacon.

In todays world, firearms are becoming less and less of a useful tool to keep our government in check or for keeping our homes protected from a government gone bad.
 
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