Why are O/U shotguns so darn expensive?

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Seriously, why are they so expensive? The Stevens 512 is MSRP of $700, and it's the cheapest online, not looking to buy, I'm just curious.

Why are these so expesive, especially when a pump 870, or 500/590 does just the same thing?

Also, as a side question, which is more reliable a O/U or a pump?

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P.B.Walsh
 
Only the better made (nicer wood, better wood to metal fit, engraving, etc) O/Us are that much more expensive. And if you like them, in relative terms they don't really cost that much. A thousand or fifteen hundred dollar shotgun isn't really all that expensive by comparison.

I was having fun last night horrifying my wife with prices from English gun makers for used matched pairs of double shotguns- 28,000 pounds, 35,000 pounds, etc. At current exchange rates, that's $46,000 to $57,500 (not adding tax). Of course, that's for ordinary British 'bespoke' guns in fitted cases. And there are a lot of single guns more expensive than that. The new American Rifleman showed up yesterday with an article on modern double rifles, and that got me started.

Go to http://www.gunsinternational.com/ and look at the category Shotguns - English Double. Then spend a few hours contemplating the utter futility of your working class life... :D.

lpl (next time, arrange to be born to wealthy parents)
 
$700 is a price for a CHEAP O/U, there is a lot more handfitting and regulation of two barrels to consider. Pumps and semi autos can be cranked out on machines very quickly and tolerate looser tolerances.

Pumps do the same thing in principle, although an O/U will allow for two different chokes for targets, and are usually fitted more closely to the shooter's dimensions. O/U's can be easier to keep on the flight line of targets, while working a pump can lead to pulling the gun off line. It depends on what you intend to use your gun for. If you shoot a few shells a year, then it doesn't matter. However, many folks shoot thousands and tens of thousands of rounds a year. An O/U works better for that purpose, IMO.
 
Note that a nicely fitted pump with a decent finish will run you $850 and up, too.

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The 870 and 500 are designed to be spit out of an assembly line and work. Nothing wrong with that, but a Chevy isn't a Ferrari, just because both have four wheels and roll down the road.

An O/U has two barrels that have to hit the same spot, the receiver and barrel set have to fit together just right, and the design allows for a very elegant takedown. Take a good, close look at one, open it, load it, shoot it, and it will be clear why they cost more. They cost more to make.:)

A good O/U is also well-balanced, and has a much better stock design than an 870. You can feel the difference when you hold the guns. None of that, however, can be had for free. The 870 is what it is, because it's cheap to make.

Now you may not care about the differences or want an O/U. But that doesn't mean that they "do the same thing." They don't.
 
Okok, which is more reliable? they seem about the same.

How does the trigger strike two hammers in an O/U shotgun or SxS?

I saw a Stevens 28ga. last Saturday, it looked pretty nice, and looked like it fit togetger very nice.

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P.B.Walsh
 
28's are very sweet to shoot. However, unless you're rich, or you reload, the factory shells are about double that of a 12.

Double barrel shotguns, (most of them), use the recoil from the first shot to set the gun for the second shot. Those that don't use the inertial process have mechanical trigger where you pull it twice and it will shoot one barrel first, then the other. Reliability can be excellent with any type of gun - pump, semi, O/U, SxS. IMO, the absolute most reliable is a SxS with external hammers and two triggers. Basically, you have two single shots in one gun, so if one fails, the other is immediately available. Any quality-made shotgun should be very reliable and last a long time if properly taken care of - cleaned, lubed, etc.
 
Many are used for trap and skeet shooting and those folks are willing to pay a bit more for their hobby. That's my best guess.
 
PBW,

If you're asking these questions in preparation for buying a shotgun, what do you plan to use the gun for?

lpl
 
I want one for close range deer (yes I know that I could get a deticated slug gun), and clays (not skeet or trap, but just to throw the clays up and hit them). So I figued that the Stoeger O/U Outback (the Black/Nickel one) would fill these wants/need pretty well. And for deer hunting, the Outback come with rifle sights, and with two barrels, I could have 1 slug and 00 or 000 buckshot in the other one, and I like the sheer simplicity that a O/U has compared to a pump shotgun, and the O/U are shorter.

I like the Black/Nickel one better because I belive that it would hold up better in adverse conditions, I wouldn't be scared to scratch the sythetic up, and the 20" barrel would be more handy than a 28"+ barrel. (Note, I already have a Remington 700 for those few longer range shots).

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P.B.Walshi
 
As I mentioned earlier - it sounds like you're talking about very small annual usage. In that event, this might be something for you to look into. It would not work for me, as I shoot LOTS of shells at clay targets and birds and I would prefer something that could stand up to that amount of usage.

If possible, I would see if there is a way to try one out, either at a range, club, or from a friend
 
For what usages you've described, the Stoeger will probably suffice. If I were shopping for budget O/Us though, I'd probably lean toward the Baikal/Remington Spartan line or a used Lanber. Although there is a lot of disagreement around here, and many people love them, I am not a fan of Turkish made double guns.

What separates the cheap(er) doubles from say, a dedicated competition skeet gun, is kind of like the difference between a 1/2 ton F150 and a F250 Duelie. They do the same basic thing, share a lot of common components, but the duelie will take the hard use of towing a trailer a lot longer before needing major maintence. It's just built to work harder than the F150.

The Stoeger will be fine for taking out to shoot clays now and then and being used in the field. A Beretta 682 or a Browning Citori will go a quarter million rounds or more before it needs major service. A Krieghoff may go well over a half million rounds before needing major service. Most shooters don't need that kind of durability.
 
The Stoeger is Brazilian. I knew people who used them extensively, for after-work trap league, bird hunting, even a little Sporting Clays. They held up well through many thousands of rounds. They aren't as smooth inside as a Browning by any stretch, but they balanced like similar Citoris, and have similar action designs to the Citori.

I don't happen to like the Citori's geometry in 12 Gauge; I think it's a pretty crude design, but that crudeness combined with excellent workmanship add up to great longevity. Other people really like the way they handle, though.

I would NOT get a Turkish gun, either. I also knew a number of people with the Mossberg International (actually Khan) Silver Reserves. They all broke within a few cases of rounds.
 
The internal finish of the gun, which impacts how well the halves of the receiver move against each other, how it feels when it locks up, etc.

When you shut a Perazzi, it feels like a Swiss watch. There's really no pressure, just a quiet, smooth click as it closes tight as a bank vault. This perfection is part of what makes the guns last and last, even for Olympic competition, where extensive practice puts hundreds of thousands of rounds through a gun in a relatively short time.

A production Beretta feels good, but there's a bit more force required. It doesn't feel like it closes itself, like a Perazzi. But it's smooth, and you can tell that the machining is very well done. They also last, and they feel good, but they're not hand-made like Perazzis and you know it when you compare them side by side. (Beretta also makes some very high-end competition guns that are in a Perazzi's price range -- I'm talking about the more common guns like the 682/6/7 guns that you will likely come across in retail stores and at regular ranges.)

A Stoeger feels rougher, and shutting it takes a bit more effort. You can tell it's made to be "good enough", but not perfect.

Again, IME the Stoegers will last, especially doing what you want to do with it.
 
Ok, but wouldn't a Stoeger's action get better over time? I think that I will go with the Stoeger Outback Black/Nickel in 12ga. :)

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P.B.Walsh
 
"Gentlemen" shoot bespoke (made-to-order) British side by sides. The O/U is a workhorse, just a workhorse of a different color.

Some Perazzi owners are wealthy, so they just buy the guns because the money doesn't mean much to them, and the guns are nice.

However, I've known a few who were not rich at all, just serious competitors.

Like bikes, when you see someone with a really expensive one, he/she is either rich, or a competitor of some sort.:)
 
personally i dont care for the o/u shotty but i'm not trying to fit in with the clay pigeon guys at the local range either. if had to buy one the stoeger condor i think its called would fit the bill. and if i bought one i would have trouble not sawing it off to 18 1/4 barrels. its hard for me to spend big bucks on anything not black or capable of fighting off hoardes of zombies.
 
PB Walsh,

The issue with the gun wearing smoother is that the clearances open up, and the gun starts to get wobbly. For the amount it sounds liek you'd be using it, I don't think it will be an issue.
 
Yea, I will probaly only shoot 5 boxes a year. Stoeger it is then, now, anybody want to give me $450.00? :neener:

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P.B.Walsh
 
Well, for my purpose, synthetic would fit my needs better, and the Stevens dosent come with rifle sights, which i'll need while deer hunting, thanks anyways though. :)

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P.B.Walsh
 
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