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Why are shotguns the "Sacred Cow" of gun restrictions?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by barnbwt, Jan 19, 2013.

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  1. X-JaVeN-X

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    meh...that's an easy one...everybody knows all you have to do to stop a shotgun attack is stick your finger in the end of the barrel and the assailant will blow himself up (but not actually hurt himself of course). Any cartoon worth its salt has taught us that shotguns are harmless.
     
  2. Skribs

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    I think it's that, with few exceptions, shotguns generally come in the form of something without a removable magazine (well, easily removable) and without much magazine capacity. Barring that absurdly long abberation, the new double-tube bullpups, or something like a Saiga, shotguns pretty much usually have a 4-7 round capacity.

    Couple that with the fact that outside the gun industry, I don't think many of the detachable-magazine-fed shotguns are that well known at all, and semi-automatics have an undeserved reputation of not being reliable. Plus the fact that if you ask most people who haven't looked at the recent research what the best weapon for HD is, they'll say "a pump action shotgun." If congress goes after those, people will know they're trying to stop our ability to defend ourselves.

    I think this is why shotguns are usually off the list.
     
  3. gunnutery

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    Perhaps you're right, however, I hope people's naivity goes away before it comes to banning pump action shotguns AFTER banning everything else.

    I read that CT's new proposed legislation also bans civilians from owning body armor. If they don't want us to defend ourselves with guns, body armor would be the next logical choice as you're huddled in a corner talking with 911 hoping the BG will have mercy on you. I think the introduction of such legislation only proves that they don't want people to defend themselves AT ALL.
     
  4. Sam1911

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    Remember the Miller decision, though! The only reason that the Court allowed Miller's (posthumous) conviction to stand was that his sawed-off shotgun WASN'T something the military would use.

    So the Court has ruled specifically that if you want to claim your 2nd Amendment rights, the guns involved NEED to be military-style!
     
  5. gym

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    Many of these guys shoot Trap and Skeet also Birds, so they don't want to mess with their sports ony ours
     
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    Once a madman commits horror armed with a revolver and a pump or semi 12ga, all bets are off.
     
  7. GEM

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    Hairplugged Joe Biden has specifically mentioned shotguns will be protected so:

    1. The bird and skeet crowd can claim to be gun people who protect the second amendment. I see news folks, Biden, other politicians do the sportsmen act.

    2. To deliberately split off the bird and skeet crowd from the gun nuts. It's clear that there are two foci of gun ownership - outdoors and SD. The later is the one despised the most by antigunners. They think they can get the former to go along with ban. Why one can just store the shotgun at the range and go shoot at the mighty skeet!

    Of course, there is overlap, I know plenty of outdoor folk who value the true meaning of the Second Amend. but that's the strategy.

    Note there is little mention of your 7 mm sniper rifle.
     
  8. Mr Woody

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    Shotguns are not going to be protected; they are just at the bottom of the list to take away.

    Divide and conquer
     
  9. BigG

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    Shotgunning is the millionaire sport with membership in a clay target range typical of the high mucky mucks. However many of them have contempt for anybody else's rights besides theirs.

    Try looking up some high end O/U shotguns. They have them of all prices up to around the value of a sports car.
     
  10. herkyguy

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    Thinking about it, I would not be surprised if there were some truth to this....
     
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    Because Peasants are allowed to own them.
     
  12. throdgrain

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    Please dont allow yourselves to be divided and then conquered. Over here as has been said the shotgun is the last thing to restrict, it even has a separate, easier to get, licence for shotguns only. Only 30 years ago or so I could have bought a licence at a post office, now I have to have background checks, doctors checks, a referee like when you get your passport, and the licence has to be reapplied for every 5 years. Without this, no shotguns. And then, they are restricted to 2+1 (or in the case of my supernova, 3+1, 3.5 chamber).

    And this is the easier licence to get.

    It's very different in our two countries, but all the same, hang in there guys.

    Shooters all over the world are rooting for you.
     
  13. Justin

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    Shotgun patterns do not immediately spread out far enough to hit the magazine tube.

    The worst that would happen is that you'll get carbon buildup on the top of the extension tube after firing many, many rounds through the gun.
     
  14. M-Cameron

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    the reason they havent gone after shotguns isnt because they care about hunting.....its because they dont want to piss the hunters off......thats why those politicians are always so eager to mention "we arent coming after your hunting guns!"

    there are millions of hunters, and just about every hunter owns a shotgun........but just because they own guns, it doesnt mean they are what we would call 'gun guys'...for the most part, so long as their shotguns are left alone, they honestly could care less what happens to the other guns.

    they dont want to go after shotguns because it would finally motivate these people to become politically active.

    also, its harder for them to all of a sudden go after shotguns because for years and years and years they have been saying " we respect hunters rights, and we arent coming for your hunting guns".....it would be awfully diffucult for them to change tone now.
     
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    Biden actually said during one of the 2008 debates re: gun control "I have this Beretta, it's an over/under, and if someone came for that little .410 they'd have a hard way to go" (paraphrasing from memory). Shotguns already have barrel length restrictions, etc. They are definitely on the list, probably the last to go except for black powder stuff.
     
  16. Loc n Load

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    Post #39 is correct

    U R correct....there are millions of gun owners out there who do not get involved with the fight over "black rifles", magazines, etc....because those things don't interest them or would personally effect them, but if you wanted to take their shotguns, that they hunt with, shoot trap/skeet/clays then u would REALLY see an uprising.
    I have been involved in the 2A struggle since the 60's and have encountered countless guy's who had opinions such as I just described.....hard to make them see the "Big Picture".
     
  17. ridgerunner1965

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    a pump shotgun is the most deadly close quarters battle gun ever made.you can reload while the gun is still loaded by pushing shells into it.you can actually shoot a pump faster than a auto shotgun.well i cant but sum guys can.with 00 buck yu can shoot 9 projectiles with every shot.with no 4 buck and a extended mag tube yu can literally lay down a hail of death no ak can match at close range. so whats the deal?
     
  18. Zardaia

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    Because soooo many people own them, including all the "gun guys" that are happy to see other types banned. The sacred cow will be slaughterd too eventualy if the anti's get there way, thy are just going after what they think they can.
     
  19. huntsman

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    they go after shotguns and the states lose major $$ in hunting revenue, same for bolt and lever rifles. One of the smartest things gun makers did was selling the AR as a hunting rifle and that may just save it in some form.
     
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    Bolt action rifle and shotguns are seen as implements for hunting. Don't worry. They will try to take them eventually.
     
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    Most of the damage done by the Aurora shooters was done with a Remington 870. No whispers of attacking shotguns.
     
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    ''Post #39 is correct

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    U R correct....there are millions of gun owners out there who do not get involved with the fight over "black rifles", magazines, etc....because those things don't interest them or would personally effect them, but if you wanted to take their shotguns, that they hunt with, shoot trap/skeet/clays then u would REALLY see an uprising.
    I have been involved in the 2A struggle since the 60's and have encountered countless guy's who had opinions such as I just described.....hard to make them see the "Big Picture"...

    Anybody here remember Zumbo?
     
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    I believe we are overlooking two major factors: Range and penetration. Shotguns are great for short range against bare or thinly covered flesh. However, beyond 75 yards or up against even a soft vest, shotguns aren't as useful as a rifle. Therefore, shotguns seem less of a threat to government. Many people also tend to keep only "hunting" or trap loads around for their shotguns, instead of buckshot and slugs, which further decreases the potential lethality to human targets, especially armored ones.

    Also, as stated before, the typically limited magazine capacity tends to affect the perception of these weapons.
     
  25. justice06rr

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    I think mostly because they are low capacity and geared for hunting.

    A hunting shotgun is not as tactical and scary as an AK/AR.
     
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