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My old XP is still in .221 Fireball, but I occasionally threaten to have it rebarelled to .222 Remington.
Why aren't more Hand Rifles available? OLD THREAD
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Please, think of the ducklings.
Hand_Rifle_Guy
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Just to be odd, and 'cuz it's my thread, I give you this.
Here in Beneficeint Palo Alto of the Rose Colored Glasses, I raised ducks in the backyard for something like 22 years! Ducks live a long time! We had a duck that apparently changed sex on us, ( It got a deeper quack, and developed curly tail feathers, a male trait. It also quit laying eggs.) but it wasn't gay. Maybe "Trans-gandered", (As in goose. Had those too.) but not gay. I think.
Hokay, back on topic. As an FYI, I don't hunt. At all. I am a purely recreational shooter who likes to punch paper, plink, and be prepared for the collapse of civilization. I understand hunting requirements, but dismiss them out of hand as they don't apply to me. If I do go hunting one of these years, I'll take a rifle. As I understand it, hunting's hard enough without adding "challenges" like handguns to a first hunt.
I must say I got a bigger response to this question than I anticipated. Thanks one and all for your explanations. I shoot handrifles for the "Whuwazzat?!" factor at the range on top of trying to actually hit stuff.
That, and I'm a die-hard non-conformist. I want what's different BECAUSE it's different Handrifles are plenty different, as I almost NEVER see them at the range. I find that interesting in the context of alloy-framed magnum revolvers, which decisively illustrates the change in marketing strategy from the big manufacturers. Somewhere in there, somebody decided that there really was a market for j-frame .357's that hadn't existed before. From that, I'll extrapolate to the explosion of handrifles and new magnum rifle rounds, along with the Ever-Lighter-Boltgun that everyone has a variant of.
But it kinda bombed. No-one really LIKES shooting these flyweight guns, and the concept is getting lukewarm reception.
Fundamentally, I don't care. If handrifles aren't being bought, or are being sold because they're awful to shoot and dreadfully impractical, so much the better. That many more for me to buy just as soon as I'm fabulously wealthy.
I oughta get into handgun silhouette shooting. It's got what I like most about shooting: Handrifles and ringing reactive targets.
Here in Beneficeint Palo Alto of the Rose Colored Glasses, I raised ducks in the backyard for something like 22 years! Ducks live a long time! We had a duck that apparently changed sex on us, ( It got a deeper quack, and developed curly tail feathers, a male trait. It also quit laying eggs.) but it wasn't gay. Maybe "Trans-gandered", (As in goose. Had those too.) but not gay. I think.
Hokay, back on topic. As an FYI, I don't hunt. At all. I am a purely recreational shooter who likes to punch paper, plink, and be prepared for the collapse of civilization. I understand hunting requirements, but dismiss them out of hand as they don't apply to me. If I do go hunting one of these years, I'll take a rifle. As I understand it, hunting's hard enough without adding "challenges" like handguns to a first hunt.
I must say I got a bigger response to this question than I anticipated. Thanks one and all for your explanations. I shoot handrifles for the "Whuwazzat?!" factor at the range on top of trying to actually hit stuff.
That, and I'm a die-hard non-conformist. I want what's different BECAUSE it's different Handrifles are plenty different, as I almost NEVER see them at the range. I find that interesting in the context of alloy-framed magnum revolvers, which decisively illustrates the change in marketing strategy from the big manufacturers. Somewhere in there, somebody decided that there really was a market for j-frame .357's that hadn't existed before. From that, I'll extrapolate to the explosion of handrifles and new magnum rifle rounds, along with the Ever-Lighter-Boltgun that everyone has a variant of.
But it kinda bombed. No-one really LIKES shooting these flyweight guns, and the concept is getting lukewarm reception.
Fundamentally, I don't care. If handrifles aren't being bought, or are being sold because they're awful to shoot and dreadfully impractical, so much the better. That many more for me to buy just as soon as I'm fabulously wealthy.
I oughta get into handgun silhouette shooting. It's got what I like most about shooting: Handrifles and ringing reactive targets.
Euclid, since you asked the question...
Never understood why anybody wanted to buy a Desert Eagle, too.
Or a Jennings/Lorcin/Bryco/Davis/Raven for the home defense gun.
Or a .458 Winchester Magnum Model 70, when they live in a metropolitan area and don't hunt.
Or why anybody wants a car or motorcycle that can go darned near twice the speed limit.
(I'll give you a hint, it's because you can)
But the term you used to describe the handcannon in question would probably not be appropriate in describing the motivation for it's purchase.
(As I think about taking my Desert Eagle and the above-pictured Wichita out for some 200 yard steel silhouette practice this upcoming 3-day weekend...)
HRG - Funny you should mention waterfowl, my family had pet mallards and snow geese, and not one of the drakes ever got upset that his bill was considered gay.
Never understood why anybody wanted to buy a Desert Eagle, too.
Or a Jennings/Lorcin/Bryco/Davis/Raven for the home defense gun.
Or a .458 Winchester Magnum Model 70, when they live in a metropolitan area and don't hunt.
Or why anybody wants a car or motorcycle that can go darned near twice the speed limit.
(I'll give you a hint, it's because you can)
But the term you used to describe the handcannon in question would probably not be appropriate in describing the motivation for it's purchase.
(As I think about taking my Desert Eagle and the above-pictured Wichita out for some 200 yard steel silhouette practice this upcoming 3-day weekend...)
HRG - Funny you should mention waterfowl, my family had pet mallards and snow geese, and not one of the drakes ever got upset that his bill was considered gay.
As one who has considered buying one and didn't, my reasons are as follows :
They're expensive.
They're heavier that I had imagined, 5-6 lbs.
They just didn't quite seem to have the right "feel" for me when holding them.
I found other guns that served the same purposes that I liked better.
(What I opted for instead was 20" barrell bolt-action carbine in 6.5x55 and Uberti Rolling Block pistol, 9" barrell, in .22 mag.(which is sort of close to the hand rifle idea)).
They're expensive.
They're heavier that I had imagined, 5-6 lbs.
They just didn't quite seem to have the right "feel" for me when holding them.
I found other guns that served the same purposes that I liked better.
(What I opted for instead was 20" barrell bolt-action carbine in 6.5x55 and Uberti Rolling Block pistol, 9" barrell, in .22 mag.(which is sort of close to the hand rifle idea)).
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FWIW, the S.A.S.S. kits weigh in at 4 lb.s 2 oz, a not-unreasonable burden. "Specially configured to enhance your recoil experience." Susequent review puts that at a fairly typical weight for the class.
^This guy^ has a Rolling Block Pistol. No Fair! I need a pair of those, in .22 Hornet, since I can't get the rumored-but-never-produced .45 Colts. (Original caliber for R.B.pistols was .50 rim- or centerfire. Nice original pistols go for about 3 grand, though. Obsoleted by revolvers before they were even made, there were only something like 5000 produced for Army and Navy service trials that failed to land a contract.)
An additional odness I shal have to build is a Trapdoor pistol. Springfield Armory cobbeled up *one* back in the day for prototype testing. It had lockwork from an 1868 rifle and the stock was glued-up out of three pieces of wood. It was chambered in .50 Army centerfire, NOT .50-70 like the original rifle. I'm not sure what caliber I'd chamber mine in, probably .45 Colt. But first, I need to procure an 1868 Trapdoor action, and a good machinist to make a barrel. The stock I'll make myself, albeit from one piece of wood rather than sectioned rifle stocks.
BTW, if amyone should ever come across a Trapdoor Pistol that's a .45-70, it's a Hollywood propgun that did substitute duty for a muzzle-loader but didn't take five minutes to reload. (Trapdoors make dandy logistically-enhanced muskets, too. They have a distincly "muzzle-loader" profile that looks appropiate on the silver screen.) There are NO rifle-caliber pistols produced by Springfield Armory. They only made one, and it's currently living in the Prototype Room/Museum at the Armory. Since there's only one, naturally I have to have one. Or one like it.
^This guy^ has a Rolling Block Pistol. No Fair! I need a pair of those, in .22 Hornet, since I can't get the rumored-but-never-produced .45 Colts. (Original caliber for R.B.pistols was .50 rim- or centerfire. Nice original pistols go for about 3 grand, though. Obsoleted by revolvers before they were even made, there were only something like 5000 produced for Army and Navy service trials that failed to land a contract.)
An additional odness I shal have to build is a Trapdoor pistol. Springfield Armory cobbeled up *one* back in the day for prototype testing. It had lockwork from an 1868 rifle and the stock was glued-up out of three pieces of wood. It was chambered in .50 Army centerfire, NOT .50-70 like the original rifle. I'm not sure what caliber I'd chamber mine in, probably .45 Colt. But first, I need to procure an 1868 Trapdoor action, and a good machinist to make a barrel. The stock I'll make myself, albeit from one piece of wood rather than sectioned rifle stocks.
BTW, if amyone should ever come across a Trapdoor Pistol that's a .45-70, it's a Hollywood propgun that did substitute duty for a muzzle-loader but didn't take five minutes to reload. (Trapdoors make dandy logistically-enhanced muskets, too. They have a distincly "muzzle-loader" profile that looks appropiate on the silver screen.) There are NO rifle-caliber pistols produced by Springfield Armory. They only made one, and it's currently living in the Prototype Room/Museum at the Armory. Since there's only one, naturally I have to have one. Or one like it.
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I have an xp-100 in 7-08 (rechambering 7mmbr) and this isa stout kicker, accurate and also wade down with leopald 2X scope see through scope mounts peep sight and a jp red dot sight on top of the scope also has by pod, I use it for hunting, I also have 7 more xps one in 221 3 in 7mmbr 2 in 35 rem, and one in 300 Win Mag, from Andy
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I bought an ar-15 pistol from bushmaster and it soured me so much i refuse to try any other rifle turned pistol. i know they are handy and all but i dont like the thought of less velocity for more money
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I usually try not to respond to threads older than my youngest son, but I never miss a chance to show off my favorite girl...
1/4" groups at 100 yrds, what's not to like. You can keep your goofy looking rifles.
1/4" groups at 100 yrds, what's not to like. You can keep your goofy looking rifles.
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The topic of hand rifles is one that has been upon my mind recently, no doubt due to my budding interest in the Ruger Charger. I hope the moderators will allow this thread to continue for a while since it might generate some new thoughts. Thanks.
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El Noido here would love to have a Lone Eagle or Competitor in .243
I've become rather fond of my Encore.
The 22-250 is a riot to shoot and very well mannered. I've used it to thin the herd of rampaging bowling pins out to 200 yards. Now with a scope, I'll take it even farther.
My 308 feels like a mid sized revolver in 357. It packs the power of a rifle and pretty good accuracy too!
The 460 is accurate but ugly. I don't care for the recoil at all. I'm exploring integral muzzle brakes to tame it down. It lacks the heft, pressure venting cylinder gap, and muzzle brake of the XVR. I generally trap 200 to 300 fps higher in the Encore than the revolver.
I've got to be careful or I'll end up owning all kinds of barrels for this thing.
The 22-250 is a riot to shoot and very well mannered. I've used it to thin the herd of rampaging bowling pins out to 200 yards. Now with a scope, I'll take it even farther.
My 308 feels like a mid sized revolver in 357. It packs the power of a rifle and pretty good accuracy too!
The 460 is accurate but ugly. I don't care for the recoil at all. I'm exploring integral muzzle brakes to tame it down. It lacks the heft, pressure venting cylinder gap, and muzzle brake of the XVR. I generally trap 200 to 300 fps higher in the Encore than the revolver.
I've got to be careful or I'll end up owning all kinds of barrels for this thing.
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I want a Contender/G2 in .45/70. And of course, I want to learn how to shoot it properly, so I can enjoy it for a long while.
I think I'd also like one in .22 Hornet. That little cartridge is so intriguing, and I've never fired anything chambered for it.
I think I'd also like one in .22 Hornet. That little cartridge is so intriguing, and I've never fired anything chambered for it.
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Trust me, no you don't!
Unless you plan on a steady diet of factory 405 gr loads.
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And for those with descriminating taste, the Kimber.
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7725729
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7725729
Okiecruffler
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6TCU and that rig weighs a hair over 9 pounds. Recoil isn't an issue.
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Hmmmmmm.
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I think the problem with THAT particular company is marketing budget or marketing strategy. For example, I've never heard of them until now. And I read a fair amount of gun stuff. Sounds interesting enough that I probably would have wanted one. Marketing. Exposure. Advertising. Paying retailers to carry your stuff. Gotta have it.
2. As for the rest, I dunno. If shooting from the bench, these things are a hoot. But why don't I want one? Because I'm *mostly* about hunting, and I want a SHOULDER stock for stability in the hunting field. If if using a field rest, a shoulder stock is better than no shoulder stock. For example, buttstock buried in your shoulder, and forestock against a tree, trumps a hand cannon merely held against a tree, for a field rest. Beyond that, it irritates me to "waste" the velocity/performance capability of rifle rounds due to a castrated barrel. Also, muzzle blast and recoil are reduced with full-sized guns - more pleasant to shoot means more fun. Beyond that, the incredible inertia (market share) of T/Cs is hard to overcome- and they justifiably won this inertia, due to their very high quality/accuracy, as well as extreme modularity. I wouldn't MIND having a hand cannon, but I've got an ever-growing list of long guns I want badly first. I did come *this* close to getting a "Thor" pistol from CDNN in .45-70 when they were on closeout, but couldn't quite justify it in the budget.
The UPSIDE (selling point) of a handgun like this for hunters, is being lighter and more packable than a rifle. Easy to put into a body holster and climb into your treestand. Lighter for a looooooong hike. I'd actually want one if hunting woods, where shots are limited to 75 yards or so, and if I were hiking many miles to the honey hole. But I'm not hiking that far, so...... There IS still a slight appeal of not having to tie a string to my rifle and pull it up after getting in the stand (instead, putting the handgun in a pack or holster) - not only is this extra time and hassle saved, using a string to pull up your weaon also createso more movement and sound potential which can scare game (i.e. if the rifle bumps your stand on the way up making noise, for example). So, in a perfect world, with a COMPLETE inventory of guns to cover all hunting situations, I'd like one. That's why I almost got the Thor pistol. But it's a low priority at the moment.
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I think the problem with THAT particular company is marketing budget or marketing strategy. For example, I've never heard of them until now. And I read a fair amount of gun stuff. Sounds interesting enough that I probably would have wanted one. Marketing. Exposure. Advertising. Paying retailers to carry your stuff. Gotta have it.
2. As for the rest, I dunno. If shooting from the bench, these things are a hoot. But why don't I want one? Because I'm *mostly* about hunting, and I want a SHOULDER stock for stability in the hunting field. If if using a field rest, a shoulder stock is better than no shoulder stock. For example, buttstock buried in your shoulder, and forestock against a tree, trumps a hand cannon merely held against a tree, for a field rest. Beyond that, it irritates me to "waste" the velocity/performance capability of rifle rounds due to a castrated barrel. Also, muzzle blast and recoil are reduced with full-sized guns - more pleasant to shoot means more fun. Beyond that, the incredible inertia (market share) of T/Cs is hard to overcome- and they justifiably won this inertia, due to their very high quality/accuracy, as well as extreme modularity. I wouldn't MIND having a hand cannon, but I've got an ever-growing list of long guns I want badly first. I did come *this* close to getting a "Thor" pistol from CDNN in .45-70 when they were on closeout, but couldn't quite justify it in the budget.
The UPSIDE (selling point) of a handgun like this for hunters, is being lighter and more packable than a rifle. Easy to put into a body holster and climb into your treestand. Lighter for a looooooong hike. I'd actually want one if hunting woods, where shots are limited to 75 yards or so, and if I were hiking many miles to the honey hole. But I'm not hiking that far, so...... There IS still a slight appeal of not having to tie a string to my rifle and pull it up after getting in the stand (instead, putting the handgun in a pack or holster) - not only is this extra time and hassle saved, using a string to pull up your weaon also createso more movement and sound potential which can scare game (i.e. if the rifle bumps your stand on the way up making noise, for example). So, in a perfect world, with a COMPLETE inventory of guns to cover all hunting situations, I'd like one. That's why I almost got the Thor pistol. But it's a low priority at the moment.
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The big ones aren't much good for off hand shooting, that's why I have this one for walking about...
But mostly I like my pistols because I don't have a rifle that can do this with 10 rounds at 100 yrds.
I'll give up a few fps in trade to being about to decide which ventricle I want to park my bullet in.
But mostly I like my pistols because I don't have a rifle that can do this with 10 rounds at 100 yrds.
I'll give up a few fps in trade to being about to decide which ventricle I want to park my bullet in.
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If you hand load, you can get some fps,s back
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