Why did Daly let Appeal go to Supreme Court?

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Everyone seemed to know that Daly was going to lose the appeal to the Supreme Court?

Why didn't he moot the case by imposing a defacto ban based on onerous regulation?

If felons can be prevented from voting, tough handgun regulations would have had a chance of being upheld without incorporating the 2nd Amendment against the states.

Anyone know why Daly did not try to moot his case before a certain loss at the Supreme Court?
 
Hubris is not enough reason.

Daly might be wrong but he is not naïve.

it was so wrong from an anti perspective to let that appeal go forward.

Now Daly and Bloomberg and the rest will have to deal with a Supreme Court opinion finding the right to keep and bear arms a fundamental right.

Here in New Jersey the Third Circuit can now give us relief from the "shall not issue" system now in place.

Thank you Mr Daly
 
Arrogance... stubborn... hot head. Holier than thou attitude that "he's the boss" and what he says is the final word on the matter.

Even if he had mooted the case, there were at least two other potential incorporation cases (I believe Nordyke and one out of NY State), on the back burner.

Luckily for us, Daley did what he did as the other cases weren't as promising.
 
Yep, arrogance. Too stupid to believe he could possibly lose since he knows better for everyone then they themselves do.
 
All the above responses are correct imo. Daley just "knew" that he was right and besides, how could anyone doubt that he knows what's best for the city? I don't think he could even imagine not winning such a just cause (at least from his point of view). He received a similar surprise when he lost the bid for the Olympics. Beware of those who feel they are so right that they need not even consider other opinions.
 
Daly might be wrong but he is not naïve.

it was so wrong from an anti perspective to let that appeal go forward.

Now Daly and Bloomberg and the rest will have to deal with a Supreme Court opinion finding the right to keep and bear arms a fundamental right.

Here in New Jersey the Third Circuit can now give us relief from the "shall not issue" system now in place.
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IIRC... the Bradys had attempted to persuade Fenty/DC not to appeal Parker/Heller due to the
inevitable consequences.

Again... fortunately for us, stubborn minds didn't listen to those with more experienced and knowledgeable advice.
 
Changing the Chicago ban might not have helped. 1) Otis McDonald would have immediately tried to comply, and failed (because that is the point of Daly's changes). and 2) the Supreme Court can also hear a case if the party no longer has standing, but the issue is likely to be repeated. Think Roe v. Wade, how can you get a case to SCOTUS in less than 9 months. (I'm not expressing any opinion about the merits, just the jurisdictional issue).
 
IIRC... the Bradys had attempted to persuade Fenty/DC not to appeal Parker/Heller due to the inevitable consequences.
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You are correct. The appellate ruling wasn't even ten minutes old before Mayor Fenty was out in front of the news cameras screaming that the city would appeal. Never mind that he hadn't even consulted the city's attorneys first.

Call it stupidity, arrogance, hubris, whatever. I just hope they never wise up.
 
Megalomania, coupled with possible Alzheimers.

He could have gone back to the law circa 1970 and the case never would have made it to court. McDonald probably would never have even filed.

Daley has no more sense of limits to his personal power than Uday Hussein. Inside of Chicago the law means nothing to him. He tangled with the outside world and lost.
 
Like Deanimator says, he lives in an enclosed space where he has complete control. He has little experience with politics and the legal system outside of his immediate world. Keeping control of that little world is #1 for him.

If he backed down from this one he'd have to back down from whatever else came along whether it was gun related, union related, etc.

He is in a position where he has to fight every battle all the way through or he looks like he isn't committed. That keeps him in office even when he loses a minor court case.

And let's be real honest here. For residents of the City of Chicago, with all their problems, this one was barely a blip on the radar screen.
 
It's the same characteristic that causes the antis to completely miss the idea of gun rights that causes them to fight and fight and fight against the logical arguments FOR gun rights. They just cannot and will not accept it.

I generally use the gun rights topic as a barrometer when I meet folks to determine their core personality - folks like Daley just are stubborn, thoughtless, illogical, and in his case hypocritical folks. Didn't Daley shoot an intruder? Doesn't he have armed body guards around him when he travels? He's so corrupt!
 
Like Deanimator says, he lives in an enclosed space where he has complete control.
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He lives in a bubble. Working in the arts, I see this in many people. They think the world is whatever they've created in their head. Daly thinks/thought that everyone agreed with him. He has a bunch of yes-men about him that tell him whatever he says is golden. How could he possibly lose the Supreme Court case, when he is always right? Everyone (in his bubble) knew he was right. The problem is, people in the REAL WORLD, don't live in a bubble.
 
He lives in a bubble. Working in the arts, I see this in many people. They think the world is whatever they've created in their head. Daly thinks/thought that everyone agreed with him. He has a bunch of yes-men about him that tell him whatever he says is golden. How could he possibly lose the Supreme Court case, when he is always right? Everyone (in his bubble) knew he was right. The problem is, people in the REAL WORLD, don't live in a bubble.
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I'm reading Robert Conquest's, "The Great Terror, a Reassessment". Daley has the personality traits of a Stalin. He values utter servility and complicity in his crimes over all else. Actual competence or the ability to perceive the world as it really is, count for nothing. Like Barbarossa for Stalin, reality in the form of McDonald has slapped Daley in the face and he doesn't like it. Unlike Stalin, Daley doesn't learn from his mistakes.
 
It is quite simple. In his mind, he thought that he would get more votes, by fighting the fight and losing rather than not fighting and getting the same results. It is not about the results for politicians, it is about the impression that they are doing something (or trying to do something)
 
Well you would really have to ask him - not that he would be honest about it. As has been said - he thought and still thinks that he was right - he is also a control freak as many in positions of power are who doesn't trust the people. He also cannot abide being told no - he essentially really does see Chicago as his city and feels he should control his property the way he wants.

Hubris is a good word - so is arrogance.

You can be sure he did the political calculus and determined that opposing it and even losing weren't going to hurt him.
 
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I generally use the gun rights topic as a barrometer when I meet folks to determine their core personality - folks like Daley just are stubborn, thoughtless, illogical, and in his case hypocritical folks. Didn't Daley shoot and intruder? Doesn't he have armed body guards around him when he travels? He's so corrupt!
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Here's a quote from the single best article I've ever read concerning this subject:

"Make no mistake: all politicians—even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership—hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician—or political philosophy—can be put."

Full article at: http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2007/tle401-20070114-06.html

Note that this article is something that is a permanent part of my intellectual arsenal, and I use it quite often in defending my "single-issue" votes (because it really ISN'T a single issue, just the most illuminating one).
 
I basicaly agree with what Deanimator, Texasrifleman, Leadcousel and others have said here.

To us, the Supreme Court decision means incorporation of the Second Amendment into the states and that by itself is a great victory worth celebrating.

We all also knew that Daley wasn't going to just roll over and die and, guess what? So did Daley. After all.....what is the Supreme Court going to do?......send US Marshals or troops into Chicago and force him to fully comply with the intent of the decision? That isn't how it's done. Lawsuits you say? What the heck........it's the taxpayers money, not his.
 
Which Greek writer said, "Those the gods would destroy they first drive mad." Daley is as mad as a hatter.
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I don't think Daley is mad. I would say he's crazy like a fox. He knows exactly what he's doing and it's not because he has this passionate hatred for guns. That's simply a facade.

It's no secret that Daley, his father, and their family have ties to organized crime through the unions. Daley is a gangster masquerading as a politician and so are many, many other politicians not only in Chicago/Illinois but in NY/NYC/NJ and many other urban areas and that includes some rural areas.

Guns are power to those type of people. Guns in the hands of ordinary citizens means that those citizens have the ability to defend themselves and their neighborhoods against criminal activity and 'tyranny'. Ordinary citizens with guns presents a serious threat to their livelihood.

The founding fathers knew what they were doing back then when they drafted our Constitution and BOR. Their gangsters back then were the British Empire.
 
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