Why do gun owners like stupid women?

Why do gun owners like stupid women?

  • I like stupid women because they make me look smarter.

    Votes: 3 1.0%
  • I like stupid women because I can tell her what to do and she doesn't talk back.

    Votes: 11 3.8%
  • I like stupid women because stupid women are the only ones who like me.

    Votes: 17 5.9%
  • I like stupid women because they make me feel manly.

    Votes: 4 1.4%
  • I don't like stupid women, but I'm female.

    Votes: 11 3.8%
  • I'm checking this box because I'm annoyed at all the other answers.

    Votes: 243 84.1%

  • Total voters
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pax

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Okay, I'm starting this as a separate thread so I'm not picking on any particular guy.

Here's the thing. I've just done my morning stroll through various gun fora. It ain't unique to THR, but it's as common here as anywhere else ... and despite the tongue-in-cheek "poll" up above, I'm quite serious about the question. I want to know what's going on here.

The fora are filled with the usual quotient of earnest fellows asking what guns to buy for their women.

Doesn't anyone in the gun world have a girlfriend who can make up her own mind? Who is intelligent enough to do her own research and motivated enough to buy her own equipment?

Or is it only liberal weenies who are men enough to fall for independent women?

pax

I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand. -- Susan B. Anthony
 
pax,

The ones I get a kick out of are the ones who say something along the lines of, "she really likes this one and shoots it real good but I think this is the one she should carry".

Only one person can choose the best gun for you, YOU.

DM
 
I seem to sort of very vaguely recall an article (perhaps I saw it here on THR, or maybe TheFiringLine, not sure.)

Anyway, man had married poorly (i.e. picked the uhmmm ahhhh not so bright but very pretty woman.) In a restaurant hold-up situation, they are sitting at their table with 1 of the BG's nearby. She says very loudly "Donnnn't go for your gunnnn." BG turns and shoots him behind the ear.

So, even though Mrs. Foggy and I disagree......well, frequently, I'll take the smart one every time...I learned many lessons the hard way the first time around....
 
Doesn't anyone in the gun world have a girlfriend who can make up her own mind? Who is intelligent enough to do her own research and motivated enough to buy her own equipment?

Well in my limited experiance with girls who actually like guns and shooting, I have found: Most girls know less about guns than guys. This is undo-able but takes time. Taking her gun shopping helps. Also, at least in my case, girls seem shy around guns if not in the presance of a guy. I'm not sure why that is and it could just be me, but it seems that they feel out of place if they handle firearms by themselves. I assume its mostly a cultural thing, and that by doing gun stuff together she will get more comfortable. But then again I have had little luck with women until now so take what I say with a grain of salt.

As far as getting My g/f a gun as a gift, I pertain that it's the thought that counts. She can pick out what she wants yes, but that would only prove I dont know enough about her or think enough about her to figure it out on my own.
 
Well, Pax, I personally don't think much of a "stupid" woman. She can be a raving beauty, but if she don't have a brain, I ain't interested. Maybe that's why I'm not in a relationship, but there's no sense in seeing somebody just to be seeing somebody. And I may well just not have met the right intelligent woman... yet.

Doesn't anyone in the gun world have a girlfriend who can make up her own mind? Who is intelligent enough to do her own research and motivated enough to buy her own equipment?

I know of a lady in my gun club who's like that. She's probably 20-35yrs older than me and married. I'd say her husband's lucky.

But, here's another problem. Women like my maternal grandmother (who's still living, BTW) who hates men (why'd she marry one), and then spends their whole life kicking their family around. That includes making sure her husband's under her thumb till the day he dies. That type goes around being "the intelligent one", but they're not being intelligent, realistic, or pleasant to live/deal with. There ain't a negative emoticon on this reply page that'll express how I feel about that. I absolutely do not want to wind up married to somebody like that.
 
motivated enough to buy her own equipment
I think your answer is here. Many men get so excited that the woman in their life has consented to "go shooting" with him, take a CCW course, or have a home protection gun that they want to move fast before she changes her mind. (This applies to other activities also. ;) ) She isn't motivated enough to buy her own equipment in this instance. It is not like shopping for clothes wherein you can show your acquisitions to girlfriends who will praise your good taste and appearance. (Forgive me if i stepped a little too far on the last part.)


By the way, I complement your correct use of the plural word for forum. A few years ago, I used the plural word fora in a brief submitted to a federal court. At the oral argument (hearing), the judge chastized me for using "haughty" language and said that the more casual or common word "forums" was more acceptable and appropriate. :rolleyes:
 
Hmmm...

I chose the last responce, and while it was meant to be 'tounge-in-cheek', I guess I was a little offended.

My wife enjoys shooting. Before purchasing 'Her' first gun for her, we did a lot of research together, and rented several different guns. She then gave me her opinion, we talked things over, and purchased a gun together that met her needs and desires.

Truth be told, my wife, as of right now, doesn't express a a lot of interest in the technical side of things, when it comes to guns. That may change...at first she wasn't even interested in learning how to take a gun apart and clean it, but now, she enjoys helping(myself, I just think it's the smell of Hoppes that keeps her comming back).

I don't think this lack of interest in the inner workings of a gun is stupidity on her part. Right now, while she enjoys shooting, the gun is just a tool to her. And she acknowledges that some of these tools are prettier than others, and some have different trigger pulls than others, and some fit her hand better than others.

I look at it this way...calling my wife stupid for not having a strong opinion about different guns is like calling me stupid because I don't know what color I want the comforter on the bed to me. It's not that I'm dumb...sometimes I JUST DON'T CARE!

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, sometimes I think it's more a lack of interest, than a lack of intelligence.

greg
 
It's not stupidity, it's simply apathy on the part of most of our wives.
I'd bet that the majority of women who have a gun "selected" by their husbands, don't really want a personal weapon at all. It's usually a request pushed on them by a husband who wants his wife to share his hobby with him, or a passing whim based on a temporary scare of some sort. If they actually cared about owning a personal weapon, they'd be on the web asking about it. However, given the breakdown of membership at most gun boards, there's apparently not a lot of women interested in their own weaponry.

A lot of the guys here are conservative, and probably have conservative wives who are content to remain in "traditional" female roles. Most of those wives are quite willing to rely on their husbands for defense,since that's been a traditionally masculine role for a few thousand years.
 
Adam said, "Lord, why did you make her so sexy?"

And the Lord said, "So you would love her, Adam."

And Adam asked, "Lord, why did you make her so stupid?"

And the Lord said, "So she would love you, Adam." :neener:
 
My first thought when seeing one of those "gun for GF/wife" is, what kind of trade you looking for? :evil:

Honestly, I don't recall seeing in any of that type of thread, the statement that the wife/GF is too stupid to decide. I think that maybe the stupid is on the other side of the fence.

ps: I voted the last option. Got no use for stupid.
 
The easy answer is because if the women are intelligent and motivated enough to buy their own equipment, then they've, you know, bought their own equipment. This means the guy isn't buying the girl a gun, which, in turn, means that he doesn't have any questions about what gun to buy, which, in turn, means he doesn't post on THR about it.

It's the gunnie version of the weak anthropic principle: "why is the universe the way it is? Because if it were otherwise, we wouldn't be here to see it."

In the cases where the guy is on THR asking about what gun to buy, there are lots of possibilities. One, he's a gunny and trying to get his g.f./fiancee/wife/snugglebunny into shooting. She's obviously not motivated enough to do her own research (or she'd already have a gun, see above), so he's trying to put forth the baseline effort to get her over the hump, as it were.

Alternatively, the guy's worried about his wife's safety, and he's convinced her to (perhaps reluctantly) keep a gun in the house that she can/will use if she has to. Again, she's not motivated enough to do this herself, so he's looking to do the work for her.

On still another hand (and as will be the case for me in the near future), the guy owns guns, his lovely g.f. enjoys using his guns (ahem), but isn't quite interested enough to go out and buy her own. So the guy wants to buy the girl a gun as a gift. Asking her to pick one out isn't the way a lot of people - myself included - want to give gifts, so the guy turns to the collective expertise and experience of THR for some insight.

Of course, it's also possible that the guy just digs on stupid women, and wants to do their thinking for them. ;)
 
Mr. MillCreek is partial to women with graduate degrees who make at least $ 50,000 per year. Mr. MillCreek's fantasy woman would be a 40 year old red-haired radiologist making $ 250,000 per year, thus making it unnecessary for Mr. MillCreek to work!

Mrs. MillCreek is very unsupportive of Mr. MillCreek's fantasy. :(

PS: Mrs. MillCreek can purchase or carry anything she wants, and if she wants advice in that regard, she can ask me or the person of her choice.
 
pax,

I can't really help you here. There's been a couple of times where I've decided what gun a lady would carry. But, while they had agreed to carry, they also showed little interest in doing adequate research themselves. In those two cases...not only did I get to choose the handgun...I got to pay for it, too.:)

On the other hand, I didn't have to ask that question with a couple of other ladies for they already had their guns.

Overall, I would say that it is a combination of happiness on the part of the man that she has agreed to carry and learn to shoot, as well as a lack of interest on the woman's part in the details of exactly what to carry.
 
Mr. MillCreek is partial to women with graduate degrees who make at least $ 50,000 per year. Mr. MillCreek's fantasy woman would be a 40 year old red-haired radiologist making $ 250,000 per year, thus making it unnecessary for Mr. MillCreek to work!

You like 'em that old, do you? :p

I used to say that if I ever remarried, I'd get a 16-year old girl and train her.

Then my daughters turned 16 and I saw the flaw in that plan. :(
 
The fora are filled with the usual quotient of earnest fellows asking what guns to buy for their women.
I've never understood that question much either. Maybe it comes from guys who don't have a variety of handguns available. "C'mon sweet darlin'-let's go to the range and you can try 'em all. See which ones you like best".

Then again, maybe it has nothing at all to do with intelligence, it may just be the natural inclination of women to subordinate judgement of some things to men.

That said™, I prefer an equal partnership. First, I don't want to be responsible for all decisions all the time. My judgement may not always be the best. Second, we're in this together and her likes, dislikes, attitudes, values and opinions are every bit as valid as mine.
 
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It's not a stupid woman thing at all. It's a stupid man thing. They know just about enough to know which end of a gun to not point at themselves, but by virtue of one chromosome they become the gun expert when it comes to defending the "little woman". Testosterone blocks them from ever considering that their other half might be able to form a clue on their very own.

Now on the other side, men by socialization are often more familiar with guns. Thus they face a challenge to introduce a woman to shooting without belittling their independent reasoning abilities. I am a reasonably knowledgeable shooter trying to get my wife to keep a gun around since being alone and in an extremely rural area can go bad. She would probably be a gun hating liberal except she has a basic libertarian understanding that no one else is bound or even likely in the middle of nowhere to come to her aid. She may never like guns, despite my efforts to slide her towards .22s and tin cans, but she will accept them. I've taken the tact of trying to invite her to come shooting with me and let her try various pistols I own to see what she likes. I have my ideas about shootability, terminal ballistics, ease of use, and reliability so I try to introduce her to pistols that fit the bill. Now if she doesn't like one I won't push it. In fact, she likes my 642 J-frame but I told her she'd have to practice a bunch since I consider it to be an expert's gun of limited capabilities and I myself am uneasy carrying it alone.

Right now I started her on a Vaquero .44 shooting .44spl as a house gun, something low fuss she can leave in her desk. It has limitations such as loading speed and need to decock if you cocked it for no good reason. She's got a masters degree, she can figure out my explanations. Why that? From my view it is big, no mistaking she has a gun if she ever brings it out. .44Spl CCi Gold Dot can end a lot of problems quick. Eventually I'd like to try her on a Marlin lever of the same caliber. She is less shy of it than black plastic, it looks like the toys she played cowboys and indians with long ago. I predicted that and it was in fact her first comment. Less negative connotations in her mind make her more apt to want to shoot. Why fight the negative connotations now? Let her learn on her own through positive experience like I did, hell pistols used to make me nervous becuase I knew they weren't good for anything but killing, had the shakes the first six months everytime I shot my first pistol. Now I still know that's all a pistol is good for, it's just that I'm okay with the fact.

Other than that, the Glock 17 lessons continue. She has yet to shoot it beyond 5 yds, but she has yet to flinch, for once my trigger control instructions got through to someone perfectly. Next up is a trip to my collection and then to the store to feel up all the guns. It may not be "manly" but much like any gender of inexperienced shooter she will probably select a gun based on how it feels, how much it weighs, and to some degree how it looks. There is no sense in me telling her those are bad criteria, why turn her off the experience from the word go? I'll take what she likes and work with it.

My rules for bringing in a woman new to shooting are not hard. I am absolute stern talking testosterone man about one thing only, the four rules. I am still nicer to her about it than any other range retard, probably because in the back of my pea brain I know I have to go home with her.

So the rules are:
-Listen. If she doesn't want to go shooting, don't go. If she wants to quit, quit. If something bothers her listen and fix it, don't lecture on how to be manly.
-Don't show off. Demonstrate what you want her to do and nothing more. Be realistic, as in start up close, don't make her run Bill drills her first range trip etc. I will talk a procedure through, demonstrate it dry, have her do it dry as I coach the same as I initially briefed, then I do it live fire, then have her do it.
-Encourage! My wife is a perfectionist. She has more precision/accuracy than most people I observe at the range. I have to tell her she is doing good. I saved her first target, wrote the date on it and all, and she kept it. That was at 4 yds. Would she have any positive memory if I had set her up to hit paper twice at 25yds?

-Make it fun, don't bother with talking about caliber wars, one shot stops, mindset, hollowpoint expansion etc. The point is to make a new shooter a competent shooter, the rest they can learn along the way gradually.

Now I say these are rules for taking a woman shooting because men and women are different and there is a social interaction there that can cloud instruction. For example, my wife will tune me right out if I adopt a paternal tone while giving instruction. Men, the gruffer I get, the more they listen. It is not sexist, just different rules for different people. I have rules for men too.

New men shooting rules:

-Show them the gun, bonus if it looks cool. Respond to "Is that a nine?" as appropriate.
-Show them which direction the bullets go in the magazine.
-Show them which direction the bullets go in the magazine again while muttering "it's not a clip!" to yourself.
-Show them which way the magazine goes in the gun.
-Leave the range and go have a very large beer. They now know it all and can now fly from the nest all by themselves. No, that ambulance racing past the bar towards the range is pure coincidence.


Seriously, I have successfully started several males on the path to safe shooting, on the whole I'd rather have a donkey kick me in the junk repeatedly than to ever teach another man that has been within 10ft of a firearms periodical publication. Or seen a movie, or had an uncle that was in 'nam, or .....
 
Wow, good thought-provoking answers so far. Keep 'em coming.

A couple of you have said it's not stupidity, it's simply apathy. Women might like shooting, but they just don't care about the tools to do it. Or they don't care about guns. Or they just need to be urged to do the Right Thing and protect themselves. It's not really stupidity.

I could buy that, except -- well, here's the thing.

If you were told that you were at increased risk of assault or other violence, more so than the person standing next to you, would you arm yourself? Would you take steps to reduce your risk of getting attacked and would you consider how to protect yourself if you were attacked?

Women are at increased risk from violent crime simply because we are women.

Failure to protect yourself, and lack of interest in the most efficient tools to protect yourself, is stupid at the most basic survival level. And even intelligent people can be pretty stupid at times.

pax

The vote, I thought, means nothing to women. We should be armed. -- Edna O'Brien
 
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