hankdatank1362
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*ahem maybe they wanted throw-down guns ahem*
sorry couldn't help myself.
Why do most people want to dump on inexpensive guns?
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*ahem maybe they wanted throw-down guns ahem*
sorry couldn't help myself.macadore, some guys may think that way, but usually you get what you pay for, but there are a few exceptions, but Jennings and High Point are not them.
John4me05, even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile. So you got lucky, consider it an exception to the rule.
I have worked in a gun shop and we ordered some for guys, but not without our strong attempts to change there minds. Do you know how many of the High points came back... Too many, as a matter of fact the gun shop refused to order them because of the hassles.
John4me05, even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile. So you got lucky, consider it an exception to the rule.
I have worked in a gun shop and we ordered some for guys, but not without our strong attempts to change there minds. Do you know how many of the High points came back... Too many, as a matter of fact the gun shop refused to order them because of the hassles.
I grew up in an area where one did not badmouth another man's dog, his gun or his wife. Also best not to make light of his pickup truck. I've had, and still have, a few of the less costly guns that have given me excellent service and also some gibes from friends until they shot them. I can maybe understand a person complaining that has had a bad experience with one of these guns but far too many here and on other forums run some guns down just on the basis of what they may have heard without ever handling one, much less firing one!!
cmidkiff
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From an economics standpoint, these 'cheap' guns are nothing of the sort. If you purchase a good quality firearm from a respected maker, that gun will very likely be worth nearly what you paid for it (provided you take care of it) for years. What's a used jennings worth?
There are lots of high quality inexpensive guns... I picked up a Russian Makorov a few years ago for like $130, it was a very well built little pistol. Used it for 3 years, and made money when I sold it. Taurus makes good quality pistols, revolvers, and rifles for reasonable prices. Several com-bloc long arms and pistols are wonderful values right now. High quality used guns can be found for quite reasonable prices, as well. Any of these will hold their value much better than the brands you are talking about.
If you're happy with your hi-point and jennings guns, great! Many of us have not been as lucky with these particular brands.
There are lots of high quality inexpensive guns... I picked up a Russian Makorov a few years ago for like $130, it was a very well built little pistol. Used it for 3 years, and made money when I sold it. Taurus makes good quality pistols, revolvers, and rifles for reasonable prices. Several com-bloc long arms and pistols are wonderful values right now. High quality used guns can be found for quite reasonable prices, as well. Any of these will hold their value much better than the brands you are talking about.
If you're happy with your hi-point and jennings guns, great! Many of us have not been as lucky with these particular brands.
John4me05
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Well we will soon find out if its 3 for 3 for this pig.. When i get my tax return the wife has OKd a new Hipoint in 45 ACP... 150 for the gun (from a dealer website) and another 15 for the FFL (my local dealer charges 10% for the FFL for current manufacture guns)... So for 165 i am gonna get a new 45ACP... I have been tickled with my C9 9mm Hipoint... 300 rounds of 45 ACP 140 FMJs form Cabelas (for brass and break in) and ill be set... Already have the Lee Delux die set for it... Ill definately update when i get it and run it trough the paces...
Not sure if i said it before in this thread but my C9 9mm has over 600 rounds through it without a cleaning... NEver cleaned it when i bought it... Just like when the dealer handed it to me... Stuff it full of shells and go... The only "work" i have done was change the recoil spring to the stiffer one supplied with it and adjust the sights... No oil no brushing no nothin...
I dont treat my guns abusive but this is a test for me for this one... If i get 1K though the gun without any ill effects ill declare it 1 of the best in form and function in my eyes... Yeah it aint pretty but i dont buy guns for looks... I use everything i own...
John4me05
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Thats another place i differ from alot of people... I have sold my last gun i believe.. Unless money gets tight everything i have/buy in the future will be used and then given to my daughter/next (and last) child ill have when i pass on or cant get out to shoot them any more...
John4me05
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Here is my current pistol collection... Not much money spent by me... For the 3 of these i have a total of 180 dollars invested...
Clockwise form top left
Hipoint C9 9mm, Jennings 58 380, and a Colt Trooper MKIII
Clockwise form top left
Hipoint C9 9mm, Jennings 58 380, and a Colt Trooper MKIII
mljdeckard
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I don't crap on cheap guns. Glocks are relatively inexpensive, and I think probably the most cost-effective handgun you can buy. When people ask me where to start, I tell them to try a Glock, maybe outgrow it, and upgrade.
There comes a point at which you get what you pay for. There are exceptions, and you can get lucky, but sooner or later there is a reason the cheaper gun is cheaper. I have more issues with barrel-length and 'gripability' on saturday nights than I do with the price.
Take it, shoot 200 rounds of defensive load through it and see if it works. If it does, fine. Then shoot 200 rds through more reputable guns. If you REALLY handle the cheap gun better, keep it. But if you can live on mac-n-cheese for a month and like the more expensive one better, do that instead. If I had to bet my life on a Jennings or a sub-compact Glock, it's no question which one I would choose.
There comes a point at which you get what you pay for. There are exceptions, and you can get lucky, but sooner or later there is a reason the cheaper gun is cheaper. I have more issues with barrel-length and 'gripability' on saturday nights than I do with the price.
Take it, shoot 200 rounds of defensive load through it and see if it works. If it does, fine. Then shoot 200 rds through more reputable guns. If you REALLY handle the cheap gun better, keep it. But if you can live on mac-n-cheese for a month and like the more expensive one better, do that instead. If I had to bet my life on a Jennings or a sub-compact Glock, it's no question which one I would choose.
12131
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Why does it matter what other people think? Whatever works for you. Really simple, isn't it?
CoRoMo
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I've bought cheap stuff, and I've bought pricey stuff.
It depends on my mood and tastes at the time, what I get interested in playing with and what I really want for a tool.
I bought a HP C9 for $100 because I wanted something really cheap so that I could put it through a torture test at the range and abuse it like it was stolen. I haven't been able to make the thing fail yet!! Haven't cleaned it, and it just chews through every magazine. I don't guess I wouldn't carry it since my P11 is smaller and holds more rounds, but the C9 is fun.
Can't abuse the Beretta 90two in the same way because it is worth babying.
Same with rifles, I really want to find a cheap mosin nagant to outfit with a scope to try on some elk, but I'd keep taking the Ruger M77 hunting because it does the job perfectly and reliably.
It depends on my mood and tastes at the time, what I get interested in playing with and what I really want for a tool.
I bought a HP C9 for $100 because I wanted something really cheap so that I could put it through a torture test at the range and abuse it like it was stolen. I haven't been able to make the thing fail yet!! Haven't cleaned it, and it just chews through every magazine. I don't guess I wouldn't carry it since my P11 is smaller and holds more rounds, but the C9 is fun.
Can't abuse the Beretta 90two in the same way because it is worth babying.
Same with rifles, I really want to find a cheap mosin nagant to outfit with a scope to try on some elk, but I'd keep taking the Ruger M77 hunting because it does the job perfectly and reliably.
DENALI
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Hey cheap inexpensive pistols can be very rewarding buy's. Years ago in Alaska I purchased a jennings .22 that still functions just fine and frankly everyone loves to bang away with. I think inexpensive guns like Ruger,Hi-point, Bryco, Tauras ect..ect.. are just fine as long as you accept that they have limitations and use them accordingly....
Nothing wrong with Hi Point. I read a review of their 9mm model recently in Shooting Times magazine.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/hipoint_100605/index2.html
Also, I met a guy at the range I shoot at who had one. He let me fire it. It had a horrible trigger, but beside that it seemed like a solid gun for the money.
Hi Point has been in business for a long time--around 15 years, if I remember correctly. The simple fact that they haven't been sued out of existence like some makers of cheap guns--like Davis and other so-called "Ring of Fire" companies--seems to indicate that their guns are basically solid.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/hipoint_100605/index2.html
Also, I met a guy at the range I shoot at who had one. He let me fire it. It had a horrible trigger, but beside that it seemed like a solid gun for the money.
Hi Point has been in business for a long time--around 15 years, if I remember correctly. The simple fact that they haven't been sued out of existence like some makers of cheap guns--like Davis and other so-called "Ring of Fire" companies--seems to indicate that their guns are basically solid.
John4me05
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I dont laugh at or ridicule people that own expensive guns (didnt think i knew what that meant??
)... If you can afford to buy a 5 grand pistol (per say) fine... I cant... I am sure it will come with all the bells and whistles and even some half nude chick to stroke your neck and whisper how great you are in your ear when you shoot it... I just wonder why so many people knock the cheap stuff when in my experience functions perfectly fine... Just simple curiosity on my part...Constantine-p89
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Look what these knuckleheads done to this poor gun..................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPiJq3Vcy_4
John4me05
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Thats retarted...
wuchak
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One of the things to consider with firearms is the total cost of ownership. If I spend $150 on a Hi-Point and shoot 50 rounds a week through it for a year I could probably sell it for $50 so it would have cost $100 for me to use it. If instead I buy a Glock for $520 and do the same thing, at the end of the year I sell it for $420, same $100 cost but I got to use a better gun. Money in a good gun is the same as money in the bank, but instead of getting paid interest you get a gun to use. If you pick the right make/model you can use it and have it go up in value year after year.
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birdbustr
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Spending a smaller amount on a hunting rig that has a name and reputation of being "cheap", and then maybe having people scoff at those items to boot is not my idea of a wise investment. I am the type that will continue to save towards something that I can be sure will always be reliable and admired by myself and others around me.
Only the best equipment for me, but if someone else is content with less, then that's their choice to make. Then again, my idea of the best is not the same as someone elses, so that can vary from person to person as well. I wouldn't care if someone I was hunting with had what I thought of as a "cheap gun" as long as it worked for them, but rest assured, I would have my reservations about them at first if I didn't know them. "Cheap" equipment makes me suspect inexperience and the possibility that the person may be a danger to themselves or to me! 90% of this apprehension comes from several bad experiences on public dove fields where I have been almost shot, had guys shooting at doves hundreds of yards away from them, guys shoot at birds that weren't even doves, come and sit 25 yards from me, painted their faces like Rambo, I've even seen people bring their children to a dove field and let them run wild all over the field like it was a playground. These people were always the people that had the "cheap" equipment. So when I see something a stranger with something "cheap" I get skiddish. So in my experience and in MY OPINION this is the safest way to be.
Before I get blasted for stereotyping or being snobbish, let me say that I know and have seen some people do just fine with cheap equipment, and I also know and have seen some use that equipment better than others with equipment that cost many times more than theirs. Tricked out equipment doesn't always mean that the person is a trick shooter and lesser quality equipment doesn't necessarily mean that they are a lesser quality hunter or shooter.
Only the best equipment for me, but if someone else is content with less, then that's their choice to make. Then again, my idea of the best is not the same as someone elses, so that can vary from person to person as well. I wouldn't care if someone I was hunting with had what I thought of as a "cheap gun" as long as it worked for them, but rest assured, I would have my reservations about them at first if I didn't know them. "Cheap" equipment makes me suspect inexperience and the possibility that the person may be a danger to themselves or to me! 90% of this apprehension comes from several bad experiences on public dove fields where I have been almost shot, had guys shooting at doves hundreds of yards away from them, guys shoot at birds that weren't even doves, come and sit 25 yards from me, painted their faces like Rambo, I've even seen people bring their children to a dove field and let them run wild all over the field like it was a playground. These people were always the people that had the "cheap" equipment. So when I see something a stranger with something "cheap" I get skiddish. So in my experience and in MY OPINION this is the safest way to be.
Before I get blasted for stereotyping or being snobbish, let me say that I know and have seen some people do just fine with cheap equipment, and I also know and have seen some use that equipment better than others with equipment that cost many times more than theirs. Tricked out equipment doesn't always mean that the person is a trick shooter and lesser quality equipment doesn't necessarily mean that they are a lesser quality hunter or shooter.
MillCreek
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Scoffing at inexpensive equipment is by no means limited to firearms owners. I see the same thing in my other hobbies of digital photography and bicycles. If you don't own a $ 3000 Canon L lens to take pictures of the cat, or ride a $ 6000 Trek carbon fiber frame bicycle for a five mile ride, then you ain't nothin!
MillCreek, I think you misunderstand a lot of guys here. I don't give a crap how much you spend on your guns. But if it is junk, no matter the price, sorry there is nothing I can do about that, it is junk.
But why try to convince people that have owned one that it is a great gun. Heck we all know the fit and finish on a high point is not very good. Why not accept the fact it is a $160 gun and be happy. If it works for you, then what's the big deal? But don't try to get everyone to agree with you if they don't.
But why try to convince people that have owned one that it is a great gun. Heck we all know the fit and finish on a high point is not very good. Why not accept the fact it is a $160 gun and be happy. If it works for you, then what's the big deal? But don't try to get everyone to agree with you if they don't.
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I own a mosin nagat... its not pretty, its cheap, but i'm sure every one would be happy to own a decent one and shoot it.
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stevereno1
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Most of us on here are firearms enthusiests, not just firearms owners. We truly have a love for owning the best guns that we can get. The only defferance is that we don't agree on what the best is. Personally, I salute anyone who chosses to arm themself, and I will not diss you because you own cheaper guns. Welcome to the party! I will, however argue with my brethern as to what is better between the "top" guns available. Hi-point is a great company, that caters to a specific group, just as kimber, glock, sig, etc...
Well, there is always the human desire or instinct to think that the more expensive something is, the more effective it is, hence why ground pearls were on the rage in the middle ages as a treatment/antidote for the black plaugue.
Personally, if its reliable, reasonably accurate, and you're comfortable with it, there's nothing wrong with it.
Personally, if its reliable, reasonably accurate, and you're comfortable with it, there's nothing wrong with it.
MCgunner
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Pardon me if I sound a tad elitist, but I wouldn't rate Hi-Point and Bryco with Ruger and Taurus.....SHEESH! There are plenty of folks here that badmouth both Ruger and Taurus, but there are also plenty like myself who carry and rely on them for self defense, something I don't think I'd do with a Hi Point and know I wouldn't do with a Bryco. If I wanted one, I'd get one to play with, but I ain't relying on a striker fired zinc gun for self defense, thanks, but no thanks. There is a quality gulf between Bryco/Hi Point and Ruger/Taurus even if Ruger and Taurus might be affordable guns to most of us. Frankly, I wouldn't trade my .45 caliber Ruger P90 or my SP101 or my Taurus 85UL or my M66s for the whole Hi Point inventory. I'm trying not to berate the zinc guns, they have their place in the world. Like I say, I do own a HP22 Phoenix Arms and it's fun and accurate and I've kept it for that reason, but I ain't going to replace my SP101 or M85UL with it for carry.
It's all a matter of opinion. There's nothing wrong with spending $3,000 on a Wilson Combat or a Les Baer. If you really want to go high end, shell out $10,000 for a Korth!!
However, I would NEVER spend $3,000 on a gun. I can't justify spending that kind of $$$$ on what is, IMHO, a self-defense tool--nothing more. I can justify $600 for a Glock, $900 for a new SIG, or--at MAXIMUM--$1100 from the S&W performance center.
But $3,000? No way. Guns are tools, like cars. I refuse to spend $50,000 on a Lexus when a used Toyota for $17,000 will get me from point A to point B just as well.
Again, JMHO. It's all a matter of priorities. My dad recently shelled out $10,000 for a set of custom made golf clubs. Frankly, I wouldn't spend a dime on such a boring game!! But he would never pay $600 for a gun.
It's all about what you value.
However, I would NEVER spend $3,000 on a gun. I can't justify spending that kind of $$$$ on what is, IMHO, a self-defense tool--nothing more. I can justify $600 for a Glock, $900 for a new SIG, or--at MAXIMUM--$1100 from the S&W performance center.
But $3,000? No way. Guns are tools, like cars. I refuse to spend $50,000 on a Lexus when a used Toyota for $17,000 will get me from point A to point B just as well.
Again, JMHO. It's all a matter of priorities. My dad recently shelled out $10,000 for a set of custom made golf clubs. Frankly, I wouldn't spend a dime on such a boring game!! But he would never pay $600 for a gun.
It's all about what you value.
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