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Why do people assume Congress CAN ban Arms?They can't!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by joeschmoe, Jan 6, 2013.

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  1. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    anchorman, I think those people you are referring to are anomolies. Most collectivists who are in favor of for instance, government controlled health care, are also in favor of keep police as the ones with the guns. They see the government health department as responsible for keeping society healthy, and the police as responsible as keeping people safe. It all comes down to a "do this for me" attitude. Each aspect of life being handled by a specific government agency on behalf of a society as a whole, not on the individual level with individual choices and responsibility. The converse is also true. I want to be responsible for my own health. I don't want you to be responsible for it, and I don't want to be responsible for yours. I also want to be responsible for my own safety. I don't want you to be responsible for it, and I don't want to be responsible for yours. We already have police to handle safety emergencies and Emergency Rooms to handle medical emergencies. But everything that falls outside the scope of those last-ditch services should be up to the individual and only the individual. I won't demand you pay for me, and I refuse to pay for you. Cops, 911, and ERs is what I feel is the "just right" amount of government social services. Just enough to keep away anarchy and people bleeding to death. But beyond that, it's an individual issue. Guns, healthcare, what car I drive, light-bulbs I use, etc. All should be individual choice, and in no way shae or form controlled, regulated, mandated, or paid for by the public. Because "the public" really just means us. You making me pay for you. I'm sorry, but I refuse.
     
  2. ETXhiker

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    We all know what the Constitution says, but this administration pees all over it on a daily basis. They are not limited by law, but only by their perception of how much they can get away with. If they go for registration, it will be gut check time for every gun owner, because it WILL lead to confiscation. The next several weeks should tell us how powerful Feinstein and her bunch really feel. Hope for the best, but expect the worst, is my assessment. Underestimate these fools at your own peril.
     
  3. anchorman

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    I think you would be extremely surprised at how many people there are out there who, when it comes down to it, recognize the inherent right to defend oneself from aggression. sure it's nice if the cops come, but most people, when it comes down to it, don't want to be the one that the cops are photographing and picking up off of the pavement.

    People are much more complex in their opinions and attitudes about both individual and social responsibilities and rights than many people who self identify as conservatives would believe. I'm going to throw this out there (despite my best judgement), that most conservatives don't see this because it doesn't fit with their basic world view. It seems from my interactions with them in all aspects of life that most people who identify as conservatives see things in binary terms, good/evil, black/white. It reduces the complexity of what one sees to understandable, easy to categorize terms, but it doesn't make what one sees necessarily reflect reality.


    again, not interested in conversations about the limits of government, and what services that you want to pay for... I am more interested in opening eyes to see that there are many allies in what may seem to some like unlikely places. I am not special, I am not unique in my views on this, I am definitely not an anomaly when it comes to my views on RKBA. I'd say that most of the people I associate with would be considered "liberal" by many. Of them (rough estimates), only about 1/4 are hardcore anti-gun, about half are on the fence, and could be swayed, and about 1/4 are hardcore pro RKBA (or at least lean that way). And I know a LOT of people. maybe it's because I live in the deep south? or maybe it's because more people actually agree with us on guns than one would imagine?
     
  4. Alaska444

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    Dear Anchorman,

    No one disputes that many democrats own guns and cherish the 2A. That is not at all the issue when it comes to what congress or Obama can or can't do. Once again, congress and the president approved Obamacare against the wishes of the majority of the population. If Obama moves unilaterally with an EO of some type redefining existing law, what political coalition will stop that?
     
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    Congress can do what they want and by the time it goes back through the Courts again we will be throwing rocks.
     
  6. anchorman

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    Actually many people dispute the fact that many liberals cherish their fundamental human right to keep and bear arms. you may not see it, but the "liberal bashing" when it comes to this stuff is a little out of hand. Please don't change this to "democrats". I'm not talking party affiliation, as. there are vocal anti gun people on both sides of the Aisle. the "brady bunch" are all republicans. certain democrats are also virulently anti gun and anti 2A. I'm sorry there are some hypocrites in government, who think protection is good for them, but not for us. Let's do what we can to make sure that they don't prevail.

    "obamacare" was found to be mostly constitutional regardless of whether you liked the decision. what fundamental right is being violated by it? why are you worried about it? (these are rhetorical questions for you to think about, no need to answer). No other country in the world has a healthcare system as perverse and inefficient as the one we got ourselves into over the last 80 years. I'd be surprised if you're not thankful when something better comes along. I don't know if you are of medicare age, but I hope if you are against gov't healthcare, that you refuse to accept treatment paid for with gov't money.

    There is no comparison between obamacare and our fundamental RKBA. 74% of the us population is AGAINST a handgun ban. think about that for a minute. that's a LOT of people in favor of RKBA on some level. as to obamacare, it is hated on one side for being a democratic initiative, and overreach of government, and on the other for not being socialized medicine. When asked about individual parts of it, it is pretty well universally liked, however. no one wants pre-existing conditions for example. In the end, people will probably see that it is better than the ridiculous system that we have had where insurance companies decide what care your doctor gives, and even who your doctor is. Both parties in congress use whatever tactics they can to push their legislation. Stay vigilant, and make them pay for it next election if they pass something you don't like. If we stay vigilant now, there won't be anything passed in the first place. They've already proven they can't play nice, even when the full faith and credit of the US gov't is on the line, why would they work together to pass ridiculous gun control, especially if the people don't want it?
     
  7. Al Thompson

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    Argument's getting a bit circular.
     
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