Why no 1886 replicas in other classic calibers?

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By all accounts, the 1886 Winchester is far superior platform to the 1876, yet all calibers of the earlier gun have been reproduced.

Why has there not been a release of the 1886 in .38-70, .40-82 or .50-110, and not just .45-70 and a few in .45-90?
 
For one thing, it was impossible to reintroduce the 1876 and not revive an obsolete cartridge. I'm still pining for one in .50-95. I do wish somebody would chamber the `86 in the .50-110 but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't know if "far superior" is entirely accurate. The `86 is more compact and stronger but I lust for a `76, not an `86.
 
i have a win 1876 in 45-60 made in 1883 and a 1886 in 40-82 made in 1893, both original with ex bores and have killed deer with both. they are rifles and very heavy. eastbank.
 
This does not make sense to me....

Why is there a market for the 1876 and its odd ball calibers (like .40-60) and not the 1886 and its odd ball calibers? Is a .50-95 1876 so much more desirable than a .50-110 1886? Why?

If Winchester/Miroku did a run of 2000 1886's in .40-82, you all think they would languish on the shelves?

I would fall over myself to get a new .50-110 in the classic "express" styling with a 26" barrel, shotgun butt plate and button half mag.
 
Afraid I'm with Denis on this one, there's probably a market of about 3 people for each of the oddball cartridges.

If that is the case, then how did manufacturers justify the 1876 repo production run?

With the number of companies making 1886's now (Winchester/Miroku, Pedersoli, Chiappa), one would think some caliber selection would be in the cards.
 
I suppose it depends on the tooling cost. would the other calibers require other parts besides barrel and magazine, and can sales of say 2000 justify the time and retooling cost to make them?....thats a real question im familiar with the rifles, but not the difference in catridge shape and parts required.

Ive seen a few 50-110 rounds always thought they were damned cool, never seen a rifle so chambered tho.
 
an other reason is the odd balls need to be reloaded if to want to shoot much, i paid 93.00 for a set of redding dies for my 40.82 and 50.00 for a used mold to cast bullets and case are from 4.00 and up. i prefer to make my own cases from basic brass. any case that can be made from 45.70 is a real plus and not expensive to make. my 45-60 cases can be made out of 45.70 cases with ease. 32-40,38-55,303 savage can be made from realy cheap 30-30 cases. but the big 50,s are going to cost you. eastbank.
 
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Far as I know, it's only .45-60, .45-75 and .50-95. I'm honestly shocked they ever made a repro 1876, even moreso that they make them in .50-95. I guess I need to get off my rear and get one before they stop. Most people have probably never even heard of them. I doubt a .40-82 would do very well. The .50-110 would probably have the best chance. I'm not saying I agree with this. I wish they made them in every configuration and chambering originally available. I just don't think they'd sell very well. Most new rifle buyers are buying disposable rifles like the Ruger American, in chamberings they can buy ammo for at Walmart. Not $1500-$3000 leverguns chambered in cartridges they never heard of. Sad but true.

Can always order one from Turnbull.


but the big 50,s are going to cost you.
The .50-95 is tricky but the .50-110 is easy. Starline makes brass and any cast bullet suitable for the .50AK works. CPBC makes a great 525gr.
 
.45-90 express is a simple, obvious winner since it can easily feed and shoot .45-70. I've got a Browning 1886 I had reamed out and use it as a dangerous game gun. It's quite capable on anything from deer to stopping elephants as long as the range is kept reasonable. The only problem is that load data is poor and the powders represented are often not the best options. I've had to do my own strain gauge testing on loads to ensure safety.

.50-110 express has the problem that there's no smaller popular interchangeable cartridge (unless you can shoot .50 Alaskan - there's a lot of similar dimensions due to shared lineage?!?), which makes it a lot bigger deal that the load data is junk. It's hypothetically quite capable though if someone worked up loads. Lots of .510 bullets out there, and Starline brass. I think it's one of those things you could get going, but would have to introduce both ammo and guns at the same time, which frankly I doubt Winchester is up to.

.40-82 seems like it's too far gone to resurrect. Not much in the way of jacketed bullets (Hawk?), and Jamison the only brass source. .38-70 I have to profess total ignorance of. I've seen references to a .38-72 - not sure if that's the same thing but I don't think so.

I think it would be easier to catch on new cases that were either .45-90 or .50-110 necked down to accept common flat nose big bore calibers. .475 Turnbull is an example of this approach.

Personally, I like this sort of gun. My .45-90 is probably my favorite hunting rifle, even though it only rarely makes it out of the cabinet.
 
+1

.45-70 is a huge hit, and has been for years. The others... uhhh... not so much! ;)

Call .45-90 .45-70 Magnum instead, and you'd have people tripping over themselves to buy it. Chambered in a high pressure action like an 1886 or 1885, that's exactly what it is...
 
I am with Craig. I am more surprised that Chiappa AND Uberti thought they could sell 1876s in its unique cartridges than that they don't see a market for the less common 1886 rounds.

I had a real '86 .33 WCF but it did not really do anything I needed done, so now I have a .40-65 single shot.


If you have an '86 in any caliber but the .50s, you can feed it with either .45-70 or .45-90 brass, necked as required.
 
If you have an '86 in any caliber but the .50s, you can feed it with either .45-70 or .45-90 brass, necked as required.

That's what confuses me. The .40-82 case is just a .45-90 case run through a sizing die and trimmed to length. Miroku's tooling investment would be pretty limited, and the action should work unaltered.
 
That's what confuses me. The .40-82 case is just a .45-90 case run through a sizing die and trimmed to length. Miroku's tooling investment would be pretty limited, and the action should work unaltered.

Agreed, I have a .40-70 (M) in a Ballard made High-Wall (virtually the same cartridge as the .40-82) and I form mine from .45-90 (2.4") Starline Brass. I simply anneal them, size them down, then fire-form them.

They come out to about $1 per, but with BP last forever. There were quite a few guys shooting .40-70s and .40-82s in BPCS when I was competing. I loaded mine like a souped up .40-65, that could keep all the grease grooves covered with the 408 grain Postells.

Chuck
 
"Miroku's tooling investment would be pretty limited"
But their distributor's shelf space isn't. They can ship a 45-70 with thousands of eager buyers, or a rifle in a niche caliber with more historical than practical appeal that does everything more expensively.

As far as alternate chamberings in the 1886, I thought WWG was doing their take down in 50 Alaskan, so that should count. Part of the issue is that the sorts of cartridges that would even be in competition (those of similar power levels but NOT 45-70) are generally longer & bottlenecked and rimless, so they wouldn't be doable. So all you're left with is whatever fits inside the envelope of a 50-90 (basically the biggest cartridge that will fit the action) and you're kind of stuck with the large bore so as to get sufficiently blunt bullets for a tube magazine. There simply isn't much demand for a variety of similar cartridges to 45-70, for the most part (much longer magnums to go significantly faster, 50AK or 50-90 to go somewhat heavier, longer necked cartridges to do high velocity small bore bullets) so the only alternative is to go to smaller/weaker chamberings, and good luck marketing that.

TCB
 
Miroku's tooling investment would be pretty limited, and the action should work unaltered.
And what about barrel blanks for the odd bore size? I don't imagine that cost would be easy to gamble on. They've already had to return a bunch of .270 1895's to the factory for rebarreling (to .405) because of poor sales and that was made in an extremely popular, mainstream cartridge. IMHO, the .40-82 wouldn't stand a chance. Hornady has already stopped making their 300gr roundnose for the .405. How long would a .40-82 last?
 
It's not just Mirokus tooling investment, that's the easy part. The expensive end would come from getting an ammunition company to load up a hundred thousand or so rounds of factory ammo.
The 76's don't sell well , once the initial flurry from the CAS crowd passed.
Just not enough market demand for some of the good ol stuff. One of the finest bpcr gunsmiths in the country gets much more work building black rifle race guns, and long range bolt guns than he does building/rebuilding the 85's, Sharps etc.
 
Yeah, the .50-70 and Sharps .50 cartridges (which I've seen by numerous names for what we'd now call one cartridge) are I think are both too long and too fat at the rim for the 1886.
 
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