Why not enlist in your state's militia?

Why not enlist in your state's militia?

  • No reason - I am already a militia member or have applied for enlistment

    Votes: 5 4.7%
  • Not sure - I will investigate and am positively inclined to enlist if appropriate

    Votes: 27 25.5%
  • Unable - I am pretty sure I can't, don't have the time, wouldn't meet the reqts, etc.

    Votes: 40 37.7%
  • Unwilling - I don't like the mission, organization, gov't aspect, etc (please explain)

    Votes: 34 32.1%

  • Total voters
    106
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What is a militia?

how does a militia work? Is it goverment controlled, or is it a bunch of survivalists creating their own group that has nothing to do with the government? What are some laws about it. Most importantly, what is the difference between a militia and a paramilitary?:confused::)
 
Regig, Did you see what Yokel posted? It is worth re-posting:
The Constitution gives the Federal Government control over all the military forces of the United States including the militia.

But what is the Militia? The Militia was, and still is, a grouping of citizens capable of being called to military service. It is not an organization. Individuals in the group have no power to act unless they are called to service. Once mustered into service, the militiaman becomes part of the military and is placed in a military unit. He is subject to military law and is obliged to obey the orders of his officers.

Who has the power to call out the militia? The President, your Governor, and in most states, the sheriff or the municipal authorities. The purpose for which the militia can be called into service is to enforce the law, to protect the lives and property of citizens of the community, to suppress riot or insurrection, or to repel invasion.

The promotion of policy or politics is not a lawful reason to call forth the militia. When the militiaman becomes a soldier, he loses his right to trial by jury and can be punished by a court martial, a broad of military officers. If he fails to obey the lawful orders of his superiors, he can be punished. In time of war, he can be executed for failure to obey those orders. If a group of militiamen fail to obey orders, and engage in what would be considered lawful protest in the civilian world, the military considers that mutiny. Mutiny is a serious offense which, under certain conditions, can be punished by death. If a body of persons under arms resists the lawful orders of civilian authorities, that may equal sedition or treason. Those crimes also carry the death penalty.

Being in an active militia unit is not a game. It carries legal responsibilities.
 
My understanding is "well regulated", in the parlance of the 18th century, meant well trained, orderly, competent, and such like. In order to preserve a free society, a skillful, well trained, dedicated Militia was thought necessary.

I would suggest that such is still the case today.

In those days, the state militias were subject to the Governors call up, and could only serve beyond the borders of the state at his discretion, and for a specified, usually brief, period of time.

I don't know what the law is today, but a body of trained, armed men subject to the orders of the Governor of each state is still an excellent idea. There should be armed persons NOT subject to federal control, but under other lawful authority.

It's all part of the checks and balances wisely set in place by the founders.

Take care,

Tom
 
a well regulated militia was once needed for national defense- it is in fact unconstitutional for the USA to have a peacetime army.. however, we do, and the only need for a well regualted militia these days is to fight against our own military
 
6. When the Governor determines that the National Guard and its assets would be of valuable assistance to state, local or federal agencies having a drug law-enforcement function to combat the flow of or use of illegal drugs in the Commonwealth, he may provide for the National Guard or any part thereof to support drug interdiction, counterdrug and demand reduction activities within the Commonwealth, or outside the Commonwealth under the National Guard Mutual Assistance Counterdrug Activities Compact.

Unwilling to be drafted into our disastrous, counter-effective, unwinnable, and unaffordable "War on Drugs".
 
Keep in mind too that there is a difference between "National Guards" and "State Guards, or State Militias".

Texas for example has both.

The Army National Guard is really Federal, US Army troops. The state has some say over their callup but they are still subject to DoD control.

The Texas State Guard however is controlled only by the Gov. of Texas.

Here's a description of our State Guard:

The Texas State Guard is one of the three branches of the Texas Military Forces. However it operates a little different than the Texas Army and Air Nation Guard. The individual TXSG soldiers must pay for all, uniforms, equipment, ammunition, travel and training expenses out of their own pocket and only draw a small stipend from the State of Texas when they are activated by the Governor for State Active Duty (SAD).

Pay for your own ammunition :)
 
Some of you guys are not reading the content here, and confusing a government organization (state militia) for "end-of-the-world-is-coming/survivalist/no-taxes-for-me/etc groups calling themselves a "militia".

They are nowhere near the same.
 
I wish AR had a state guard. I would probably join if Arkansas would create a state govt funded guard unit. ONLY if the state was the only people in control of it. I think Virginia's state guard unit is funded by the state to buy equipment and supplies, I may be wrong however, some one correct me if I am
 
Gun Owners of the Country are My Militia. When Need We will All rise to the Occasion. The International Sign for a Member Will be Stickers NRA, GOA, Guns in the rear Window rack, Gadsden Flags, Culpeper Flags, and So On. Till Then, Keep them Cocked Locked and Ready to Rock!!
 
When was the last time a militia was activated by a state government?

That I know of WWII there's an article about it in this month's American Rifleman.

Most states do,in fact, have a state defense force that is answerable to the Govenor ( as opposed to the Fed) Colorado's meets in Cañon City.

I'm simply not interested
 
I am a Militia of one!

2RCo does not work and play well with others especially not some of the Mall Ninja types. I'm sure there are some great Militia folks out there but I don't think they are around here.
 
Regig said:
What is a militia?

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how does a militia work? Is it goverment controlled, or is it a bunch of survivalists creating their own group that has nothing to do with the government? What are some laws about it. Most importantly, what is the difference between a militia and a paramilitary?

Good question, my good man, and this thread demands an answer!

The militia, or a militia, is an army composed of citizens not in the regular armed forces answerable to and under the direct control of the civil authority. Any other group of people assembled as a military force comprising neither the regular armed forces nor as the militia under the control of the civil authority is NOT militia, nor A militia, nor THE militia. These other groups are any one of a number of irregular paramilitary groups such as mercenaries, insurgents, rebels, gangs, neighborhood watches, security companies, throngs, mobs, mutineers, patrons, soldiers of fortune, privateers, pirates, terrorists, guerrillas, etc., etc., etc.

Woody

"Knowing the past, I'll not surrender any arms and march less prepared into the future." B.E.Wood
 
None in Iowa
MY Physical ability to perform in any assigned billet is not like it was during my younger years when I was an commissioned US Army Ordnance Officer.

Perhaps I am a Militia of One?
 
When was the last time a militia was activated by a state government?

Texas used theirs last year during Hurricane Ike, and lists several ongoing missions on the website. One of which is near to my heart - border security - known as 'Operation Border Star I, II, III, & IV".

It is this one which would cause me to enlist if I thought I had a chance in h__l of being able to perform the duties required.
 
None exist, state militias all folded into the National Guard.

You might want to research that statement.

The Colorado State Defense Force absolutely exists as does the Texas State Defense Force

Here is a list of official, state sanctioned, official State Guard Organizations

www.sgaus.org/
 
I just had a random thought on this subject: What if the federal government wanted the state militias, and the state governor refused to call it up, and/or turn it over? :uhoh:
 
Interesting thread. Since I'm in the Army, joining a militia would be kind of superfluous. I like the concept as I imagine it might have been during the time of the minutemen. On the frontier during the settling of the Ohio River Valley, Allan Eckert has written great descriptions of forays made by militias against Indians. When a foray was decided upon, a call went out for volunteers... When a sufficient number had gathered, they elected their own officers. I'm sure there are other models of a militia setup. I'm not sure that there was a set-in-stone procedure or model that the founding fathers had in mind when writing the 2nd amendment.

One thing to consider, though, is what the "well-regulated" part really means. To those people who might be attracted to militias because of excessive government "regulation" in their lives, there's nothing quite as overbearingly regulatory as a military or para-military organization. In combat, the leaders (assumedly even in a militia unit) can order you to do very non-glamorous tasks such as cleaning latrines. On the other end of the spectrum, they could order something (like charge an enemy position) that could make you quite dead... And you may have your own, opposing, viewpoint on the wisdom of said orders.

My point is that being well-regulated is neither fun nor glamorous most of the time, whether that regulation comes from big gummint, military commander or militia chain of command. It can, in fact, chafe an independently-minded person quite a bit. My two cents from having spent the last 13 years in uniform.
 
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