Why Own A 1911?
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loneviking
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Sorry...but I have a hard time seeing the attraction to a heavy,limited capacity pistol well known for being unreliable 'out of the box'. The 1911 is well known for slam fires and Ad's when lowering the small hammer on a loaded chamber. I can find steel guns, reliability and very good triggers without problems like that. Yes, my perceptions might be wrong so feel free to try to persuade me otherwise...
tdstout
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Mine has been perfectly reliable since the day I got it, and that was over 8 years ago. The only thing that has ever happened to mine is the plunger tube came unstaked. It will still shoot with perfect reliability, but the thumb safety doesn't work. It's going back to the factory to be fixed for free in the next couple of days. It's just a lowly Springfield GI model, too. Not some fancy $1000 gun.
Zerodefect
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Ok, well since you asked....
But you're right. An El Cheapo 1911, will not be reliable. And the pistol really isn't well suited to people that don't have a very technical mindset.
But you're right. An El Cheapo 1911, will not be reliable. And the pistol really isn't well suited to people that don't have a very technical mindset.
TimboKhan
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Oh, i dunno. It depends on what your definition of reliable entails. If you mean reliable for the casual shooter, i think most of the cheaper 1911s can hang. If you mean reliable over the course of a gunsite class, probably not.
I think to an extent those extremes are mutually exclusive. Fact is, if your an occastiobal shooter, you do not need the level of reliability of a les baer gun gives you. You RIA pistol will perform well and be trustworthy, because it won't wear out. If you shoot a few thousand rounds a year, your benchmark is much higher. Its like saying you have to buy a viper to run to the bank or something
I shoot about 1k + a year of .45, so I bought a more expensive gun (sig scorpion) because i need and want a higher level of performance, and I expect this gun to provide that. If i was just running a box of ammo downrange every now and again, i would have bought an RIA.
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I think to an extent those extremes are mutually exclusive. Fact is, if your an occastiobal shooter, you do not need the level of reliability of a les baer gun gives you. You RIA pistol will perform well and be trustworthy, because it won't wear out. If you shoot a few thousand rounds a year, your benchmark is much higher. Its like saying you have to buy a viper to run to the bank or something
I shoot about 1k + a year of .45, so I bought a more expensive gun (sig scorpion) because i need and want a higher level of performance, and I expect this gun to provide that. If i was just running a box of ammo downrange every now and again, i would have bought an RIA.
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The_Armed_Therapist
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Because they're too heavy, too bulky, and don't have the capacity that I'd prefer... Oh, wait... Am I in the right place? 
JRH6856
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Heavy means low recoil, better control, more accuracy.
Limited capacity. It can put twice the weight of metal on target with one shot than a 9mm. Essentially a 1 shot double tap.
Unreliable out of the box. Depends on who makes it. When (If) the Glock platform has been around 100 years and cheap 4th world knock-offs are all over the place, "Glocks" will have the same problem.
Slam fires and ADs when dropping the hammer. ADs maybe due to improper handling, but slam fires? No, not well known for that at all. And why would anyone drop the hammer on a loaded chamber unless they intended to put a bullet on target? A loaded 1911 is safest when cocked and locked.
I can find steel guns, reliability and excellent triggers without problems like that. So can I. All are 1911s.
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mesinge2
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Because my safe is full of them
jahwarrior said:
Because no other handgun offers so many excellent choices over such a large price range. Just consider this partial list of 1911 manufacturers.
RIA
Taurus
Para Ordnance
Remington
Colt
Kimber
Ruger
SIG
Springfield
S&W
STI
Nighthawk Custom
Dan Wesson
Ed Brown
Les Baer
Wilson Combat
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cougar1717
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Because it's an instantly recognizable, American classic with 101 years of service; venerated in one of the most significant wars of those living today.
loneviking
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By Zerodefect:
Yeah, I like heavy too...up to a point. My third gen S&W is no lightweight.
See--that's what I'm talking about. If I want to shoot .45, I can buy an XD, a Sig, an Beretta..all for much less than a 'reliable' .45. Not to mention I don't need to be fiddling around 'tuning the extractor' which seems to be a common problem. Never had to do that on a Sig or a S&W.
Why? To field strip it. BTW, you contradicted yourself twice in the same paragraph. Anyway, not knocking anyones like of a 1911 'shrug'. If it floats your boat, OK. I just can't see any reason to spend 1,000 dollar on a carry gun when there are $300 to $500 guns out there (non-1911's) that shoot just as well and are more reliable.
Yeah, I like heavy too...up to a point. My third gen S&W is no lightweight.
See--that's what I'm talking about. If I want to shoot .45, I can buy an XD, a Sig, an Beretta..all for much less than a 'reliable' .45. Not to mention I don't need to be fiddling around 'tuning the extractor' which seems to be a common problem. Never had to do that on a Sig or a S&W.
Why? To field strip it. BTW, you contradicted yourself twice in the same paragraph. Anyway, not knocking anyones like of a 1911 'shrug'. If it floats your boat, OK. I just can't see any reason to spend 1,000 dollar on a carry gun when there are $300 to $500 guns out there (non-1911's) that shoot just as well and are more reliable.
loneviking
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Timbokhan wrote:
Thanks for the candor, and this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm a shooter that uses up well over 1,000 rounds a year and I kinda had a feeling that a RIA wouldn't hold up to that sort of use. Maybe someday when the kids are all gone, and I've saved my mad money for a while I'll buy an expensive 1911 for the range.
Thanks for the candor, and this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm a shooter that uses up well over 1,000 rounds a year and I kinda had a feeling that a RIA wouldn't hold up to that sort of use. Maybe someday when the kids are all gone, and I've saved my mad money for a while I'll buy an expensive 1911 for the range.
mesinge2
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You don't 'need' lower the hammer to 'field strip' a 1911. And you shouldn't be disassembling a loaded weapon anyways.
Also, my ten 1911s would have to argue with your unreliability claim. My Combat Elite is going on 20,000 jam-free rounds. And the accuracy of my new E-series S&W 1911 is hard to beat.
Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ogvEI7XPRo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBtvwKJQxaA
Also, my ten 1911s would have to argue with your unreliability claim. My Combat Elite is going on 20,000 jam-free rounds. And the accuracy of my new E-series S&W 1911 is hard to beat.
Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ogvEI7XPRo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBtvwKJQxaA
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loneviking
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Mesinge2 wrote:
And how much did that gun cost?
And how much did that gun cost?
mesinge2
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The Combat Elite cost me about $850. Worth every penny. It shoots circles around my XDm-45 with less recoil, a better trigger, and with less muzzle filp I have quicker follow-up shots.
Chuck R.
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Because Les Baer has a polymer allergy…….
Seriously, these threads come up almost monthly. IF you don’t “get” the 1911, chances are you never will.
So why not just let it go?
Chuck
Seriously, these threads come up almost monthly. IF you don’t “get” the 1911, chances are you never will.
So why not just let it go?
Chuck
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1.Cause if it's good enough for Magnum P.I. then it's good enough for me.
2.Cause I've never had a single misfire, never ever. Not one!
3.Cause if I run outa ammo, it makes a brilliant blunt object to smash with.
2.Cause I've never had a single misfire, never ever. Not one!
3.Cause if I run outa ammo, it makes a brilliant blunt object to smash with.
why we own 1911's
bcause dat is the way it is, and has been for 100 yr's. why do some many gun owners want a mag with so many rd's.all you need is 1 rd out of a 1911 45acp. if some of the gun mfg's. would use a sliding trigger instead of all of the gadgets stuck all into the trigger and adj. thier grip angle where a shooter would not be pointing at the sky. and have a full grip, single stack, go to go out of the box.it would make them a lot better. i have some poly pistols but the 1911 is the best of all. and they are all stock. 1911's are the most collected pistol on earth. gun owners don't collect poly pistols for thier resale value , they collect 1911's. period. and it will be for another 100 years ............
bcause dat is the way it is, and has been for 100 yr's. why do some many gun owners want a mag with so many rd's.all you need is 1 rd out of a 1911 45acp. if some of the gun mfg's. would use a sliding trigger instead of all of the gadgets stuck all into the trigger and adj. thier grip angle where a shooter would not be pointing at the sky. and have a full grip, single stack, go to go out of the box.it would make them a lot better. i have some poly pistols but the 1911 is the best of all. and they are all stock. 1911's are the most collected pistol on earth. gun owners don't collect poly pistols for thier resale value , they collect 1911's. period. and it will be for another 100 years ............
NGIB
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Why does it matter what my guns cost me? As long as I pay for them and don't use your money - seems like a moot point. I like 1911s so it really doesn't matter that anyone else doesn't. Buy what you like and enjoy yourself.
BTW, I carry one of those overpriced, poor performing Colt 1911s every day...
BTW, I carry one of those overpriced, poor performing Colt 1911s every day...
It's a piece of living effin'-a American history. It has the same appeal as big-block V8s, Harley Davidson, burgers and fries, incandescent light bulbs and genuine home grown ta-ta's.
You can probably find something made of plastic that goes faster or looks better but I still like the real thing.
You can probably find something made of plastic that goes faster or looks better but I still like the real thing.
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