Why physical resistance when stopped by a police officer is a bad idea

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When reading a pro-gun blog post by a guest author who is a police officer wrote on how to handle being stopped by the cops, there was a fascinating sub-current in some of the replies that would seem to suggest something other than verbal non-compliance with a police officer’s requests. :banghead:

Don’t. Doesn’t matter who you are, if a cop has stopped you, physical resistance is only going to end badly. Possibly with you dead. Game over. No respawns. :banghead:

The idea is to be successful in any encounter with an opposing force, police included. Ending up dead is failure. Ending up in jail is failure. Ending up in the back of a squad car is failure. Ending up with a warrant for your arrest is failure. :banghead:

Being a <deleted> to a police officer is not a strategy that will bring success under any circumstances where you aren’t a violent criminal at the end of it. A criminal record is also failure.

Protest verbally all you want, but physically do whatever the officer says unless you are convinced that doing so will be immediately fatal for you. Don’t get killed. Don’t end up with a criminal record. Honor and pride are worth less than both of these things. If you don’t agree, well, Somalia isn’t that far away if you desire to live an an area that doesn’t have any truck with ‘rule of law’. If you like the benefits of a first world nation, swallow that pride until you are no longer in the presence of an officer of the law.

Some of you talk of ‘rights’ like they are worth dying for. Generally speaking, the rights have already been paid for by the blood of others before us. En mass, they are respected. Rarely, <deleted> happens and they are not. Your death will not solve these exceptions. Staying alive and fighting the battle in the courts is much better for you than fighting it in front of a cop car.

Just don’t be an idiot and cut your nose off to spite your face. Remember what matters to you in the long run.
 
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well bro, youll always get a few of those who are coo coo for coco puffs and spout revolutionary dribble or anarchist libertarian crap......

being smart "aint" easy, thats why there are people who will argue with what you wrote.
 
off topic sanctimonious advice for aspiring serfs?

How very high road of you.

I think the OP's advice is great. You can always appeal to the courts and file lawsuits later, even from jail. Can't do that from the grave. Besides that even resisting arrest is a felony, much less assaulting or killing a police officer. Even if the officer is clearly in the wrong, your best bet is to live to fight another day unless you literally have NO OTHER CHOICE but to die or directly cause someone else to die by complying with the officer. Through all that, however, it's best to use a lawyer's judgement in these situations and I'm not one of those. If you still don't get it, then by all means resist as much as you like.

Ideals and freedom are important, but certain things, in certain situations are not worth dying for. Police aren't perfect, and they make mistakes. Generally those mistakes are cleared up fairly quickly, so unless you're actually breaking the law it's best to just "deal with it" for now, and explain in as much detail as you can to your attorney exactly what happened.
 
"I think sometimes people get "thehighroad" mixed up with "thehighhorse" - HOOfan_1
I like your quote.

Anyway, the John Bad Elk v. United States Supreme Court decision still stands after all these years. Some hills *are* worth dying on. Most are not. Choose wisely.
 
In my admittedly smart "mouth" response I didn't suggest or mean to suggest that physically battling a police officer roadside is an intelligent idea. In fact I agree with the title of this thread as written. What I don't agree with are the following quotations from the post:
Being a <deleted> to a police officer is not a strategy that will bring success under any circumstances where you aren’t a violent criminal at the end of it

Don’t get killed. Don’t end up with a criminal record. Honor and pride are worth less than both of these things.
If you don’t agree, well, Somalia isn’t that far away if you desire to live an an area that doesn’t have any truck with ‘rule of law’
Some of you talk of ‘rights’ like they are worth dying for

As I said, I agree that you will be better served getting good evidence and dealing with poor police behavior after the fact. I don't agree with the idea that police being beyond reproach is the price you pay to live in a first world nation.
 
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well bro, youll always get a few of those who are coo coo for coco puffs and spout revolutionary dribble or anarchist libertarian crap......

being smart "aint" easy, thats why there are people who will argue with what you wrote.
and there is no conceivable way to both stay on the high road and address this one.
 
As I said, I agree that you will be better served getting good evidence and dealing with poor police behavior after the fact. I don't agree with the idea that police being beyond reproach is the price you pay to live in a first world nation.

Notice that I said 'Staying alive and fighting the battle in the courts is much better for you than fighting it in front of a cop car.'?

What I'm getting at is the lack of condemnation for this macho shenanigans that seems to get mixed up with 2A rights to the point where getting into a physical confrontation with a police officer is suggested. Or doing things that would cause a physical response from a police officer (of course there's always the LAPD sorts who will start things no matter what you do).

The police officer isn't your friend. But he's not your enemy in the sense that he is a single person that, if you kick the <deleted> out of, you will have triumphed. Treating any sort of encounter like that is so stupid it makes me see red.
 
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I get the solution, and like I said I agree with you but I'm failing to see the problem. Has anyone on THR suggested blasting at police during a traffic stop that they feel is improper? Has this been happening in the news? What'd you see originally that made you want to post? With context I would probably agree with more of your points.
 
I get the solution, and like I said I agree with you but I'm failing to see the problem. Has anyone on THR suggested blasting at police during a traffic stop that they feel is improper? Has this been happening in the news? What'd you see originally that made you want to post? With context I would probably agree with more of your points.

actually his post would be better served on "the other board" where there are quite a few people who post things that make you scratch y'er head.
 
Do you mean the general board or another forum? If this has been coming up I haven't seen it. I would love to see the post(s) the OP was referring to, and would be happy to apologize if anything has flown over my head.
 
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In addition to Sam's comments, this is in the Legal sub forum and there really isn't any legal content so it's off topic for this area to begin with.
 
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