Why the poison pills WERE NOT going to be stripped out in committee

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As much as it will pain your ears, go listen to Feinstein's press conference from yesterday here:

http://www.senate.gov/~feinstein/sound-bytes/040302-AWB_post-vote_remarks.mp3

mp3 from her site here:
http://www.senate.gov/~feinstein/

She gave it after she got her gull-darned amendment passed, but before the bill was pulled. (Talk about counting your chickens!! I guess she thought we wanted the lawsuit bill enough to swallow her BS)

ANYWAY... towards the end of the conference, she goes on at length to say that she and her buddies WERE NOT going to release the thing without a "promise" that her precious AWB remained in the final bill.

And THAT was why Craig and co. pulled the bill entirely. If you heard his speech as he urged folks on our side to vote it down, he specifically mentioned that folks on the other side were trying to hijack the system to keep all the poison pills, and it wasn't worth it.

-K

(And I swear, seeing that chick celebrate on CSPAN yesterday as the vote on her amendment came in turned my stomach. At least I got some good dry-fire practice in though. :) )
 
The BBC news on PBS played Feinsweins speech after 1805 was pulled.

She said She is never going to give up on keeping guns out of the hands of citizens. She promissed to try again and again for as long as it takes to get a ban passed.

My wife wondered wht I was saying bad things to the TV, she saw Feinswein and she knew. I explained to my 5 and 7 year old why we need to vote to keep people like her and our own two gems Biden and Carper out of office.


When is she up for election again???

Any chance she could lose?

Well maybe she will have an aneurism, or a car accident, or even get hit by meteor, or perhaps she will accidently shoot herself with her CCW.

I hate to say that but she is our sworn enemy, and we can only pray.
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I have trouble associating the word "chick" with DiFi. "Hen" is the nicest thing I could come up with. I had the same feeling too, watching Chuckie dancing like a monkey and pumping fists when he realized that the AWB amendment was going to be approved. Nausea.
 
The Democrats now have a problem. As Kaylee pointed out they were so sure they'd get what they wanted they let their hair down and said a lot of things for the record they may regret later. In particular, they made it clear that what they call "reasonable" or "sensible" may not play that way in some states the Democrats need to win to elect more congress-critters and/or a president.
 
I'm confused here (not unusual).

Was ANYTHING good, bad or indifferent to our cause passed into law yesterday?
If so, what? If not, why are the gun grabbers happy and our folks foaming at the mouth?
Someone please take a minute to explain events for dummies like me. thanks
 
Yes Old Fuff -

Perhaps we may find some juicy quotes in case another one of these dems decides to run for President in the future.

If nothing else, we got a glimpse of what they really think. Of course, we already knew, but it may suprise some of those gun owners of lesser passion.
 
I see two problems with hoping Di FineSwine could be offed by Teddy's drunk driving.

1. Shes a fat pig. She'll float like a cork.

2. If she gets locked in the car, she'll keep it afloat (see problem 1.), and she has enough hot air and gas inside her to last for hours. She is her own Scott Air Pack.
 
If so, what? If not, why are the gun grabbers happy and our folks foaming at the mouth?
Someone please take a minute to explain events for dummies like me. thanks
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Sure, here goes:

Our purported Republican allies, who control both houses of Congress and the Whitehouse, had the chance to pass some very much needed protection for the firearms industry yesterday. But because of a handfull of RINO-traitor sellouts and some seriously incompetent management of the bill by the Senate Republican leadership, the extremists in the gun confiscation movement were allowed to add several poisonous amendments to the bill and thereby kill it.

The lawsuit pre-emption bill failed. Therefore one must conclude that since we failed to obtain our objective and the anti's was obtained, yesterday represented a very significant victory and impressive show of muscle by the anti side.

We did not block the passage of any gun control legislation yesterday, they blocked the passage of the lawsuit preemption bill.

Bottom line, they won, we lost.
 
Gentlemen gentlemen, please, let us take the higher road here and refrain from calling Ms Feinstein a fat pig or infer thay she and Teddy should go adriving across abridge after adrinking spree, else ye be accused of anti-something or bring tender young minds down to the level of awareness that perhaps pigs in sheeps clothing might be out to defang those in the herd who know that wolves lurk nearby and stand ready to repel all boarders, be they small time criminals or big time criminals elected to office and sworn to protect and uphold the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic; who, by their very actions and words are obviously unfit to lead a troop of girl scouts on a weekend outing. (Whew! All that in one very awkward sentence... my 10th grade English teacher would stand aghast for several reasons)

'Twas unfortunate in one manner, yet fortune smiled once again just to see, read and hear them gloat at first, later to spin it into a pure defeat of the hated and dreaded NRA by their cunning action.

Now they know the feeling we all shared to savor the moment, only to have the rug pulled from beneath their feet at the last moment.

The last vote (90-8) tells it all.
 
Gburner"

No, the proposed bill was defeated 90 to 8 when both sides voted against it. While the anti's claimed victory the didn't really get anything, and in the effort they exposed their true position. As for out side, we neither gained or lost anything - but we have a lot of good remarks from the other side (some of them got a serious case of motor-mouth) that we can use against them in the coming election campaign. We do have to keep aleart. Both sides will try again.
 
Bottom line, they won, we lost.
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Yep. Ultimately, the odds have gone up that the so-called "assault weapons" ban will evaporate, but the lack of legal protection for firearms manufacturers will only encourage the leftist extremists to try harder—very hard—to bankrupt them with frivolous law suits. Over the long term, I believe the latter is the more serious problem.

As far as I'm concerned, the Republicans are nearly as revolting a disgrace as the representatives of the Democratic (sic) party.
 
Another summary:

Legally:

Both sides are against the clock.
AWB expires in Sep (certainty)
Gun lawsuits are bleeding money, and may administer a coup-de-grace in some court somewhere someday.


Really:
We're the only ones who can lose, they don't REALLY lose anything. Why? Because their lives aren't affected whatsoever if their gun bans succeed or not, or if gun prices go up, as they don't buy/own guns guns (okay, Feinstein does; but you know what I mean, they don't in the quantities us gun nuts do).

Since the AWB going away won't really cause crime in the streets to go up, that won't affect them either.

We're fighting the gun rights battle to lose less. . . . we who are affected by the laws.
 
Sounds to me like a tactical tie and a strategic win for us. We exposed the traitors in our midst, we turned away attempts by the left to institute new restrictions and extend the AWB, we got a lot of ammo from the dummies on the other side who like to run their mouths and we showed the true strength of our influence in the final vote.

I have the feeling that manufacturer liability will take care of itself as an issue during the second Bush admin.
The market in conjunction with a conservative judiciary will ensure that this is a dead issue.

Those who are aghast at all the machinations, infighting, deal making and backstabbing that goes on when legisation is made need to wake up.
Machiavelli has nothin' on some of these humps.
 
"Yep. Ultimately, the odds have gone up that the so-called "assault weapons" ban will evaporate, but the lack of legal protection for firearms manufacturers will only encourage the leftist extremists to try harder—very hard—to bankrupt them with frivolous law suits. Over the long term, I believe the latter is the more serious problem."

Nah, these suits aren't worth compromising on. They will probably get their protection eventually. It is much more important that the AWB die. If it is renewed it will never go away--ever. We can keep coming back for the lawsuit protection.


We kicked their butts. At the end of the year there will actually be fewer restrictions on our Second Amendment rights than the year before---that has got to be a first!


:D :D :D :D

You guys are just so used to losing yall' can't recognize a win anymore!:D :D
 
I think I will celebrate the death of the AWB in September by purchasing my first long gun. Definitely of the 'evil black' variety. I've long had my eyes on an M1A, but that of course is still a legal product (in most states). I should buy something that will turn legal in Sept. What's a good evil black rifle to buy in a substantial caliber?
 
You guys are just so used to losing yall' can't recognize a win anymore!
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Win?, Here's what I saw:

1. Lawfull Commerce in Firearms Protection Act introduced

2. One week later, it is loaded down with 3-4 seriously unconstitutional gun control amendments, and is itself voted down by 90-8.

We wanted that Bill, it was defeated. Nothing that happened yesterday prevents Fienstein--Warner-Schumer-Luger and the other leftist extremists in the gun confiscation movement from reintroducing an AWB reauthorization before Sept. On the other hand after yesterdays fiasco there's no chance of S. 1805 being reintroduced any time soon.
 
The AWB is DEAD. Yes, the antis demonstrated on the floor that they might be able to repeat that vote, but:

No AWB is going to make it out of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
No AWB is going to be passed in the House and the Senate could never pass one by itself.
No AWB is going to be scheduled for another floor vote ahead of the Presidential election. Neither party wants the distraction.

I am starting to stockpile money for a September 1, preorder with my dealer for magazines and weapons to arrive on September 14, 2004. I am also thinking of buying an AR and an AK for the first time in a decade because there will be a window between September 14, 2004 and at least late January 2005, (if Kerry wins) where there will be no AWB law in place. If Bush wins and the Republicans maintain or increase their majorities, there will be no AWB before 2007 at the earliest and perhaps never again if the law remains dead long enough to show just how silly it was.
 
Well, I'd like to stay optimistic at this point.

Lawsuit immunity would have been nice, but it's not essential. We can fight these guys in court, where we've been doing it since the 90's when the nonsense started. The sunset of the Great Flash Suppressor Ban of 1994 is far more important.

Now consider this: By pushing his hideous armor-piercing ammunition amendment, Ted Kennedy has handed us a big cluebat, made of the hardest hickory, with which to clobber the bejeezus out of the apathetic hunters in our midst. Let's use it.
 
I'll be the contrarian.

Yesterday was a big victory for the pro-2 side.
--The AWB will NOT be renewed.
--Feinsteins amendment painted a clear picture of what her ultimate goal is.
--McCain's amendment on gun shows showed where his head is.
--Kennedy's pathetic, comedic amendment on armor piercing ammo served to put hunters on notice they are in the cross hairs of the anti-2's.
--Larry Craig's leadership flushed out of the spinelessrepublican party those who are anti-2.
--Bush will not be faced with the prospect of screwing the pooch like he did with campaign finance control so it saved his sorry butt.
--For the first time in a long time pro-2's said, "We will not take less than what we demand." They actually stood up and did not compromise. Truly amazing.
--Yes, gun manufacturers still face tort terrorism. But so does any other manufacturer in the US. Comprehensive tort reform is the way to deal with lawsuit abuse against gun manufacturers, not a piecemeal approach.

I predict the events of yesterday will be seen historically as a watershed.
 
USAFNoDAk
I see two problems with hoping Di FineSwine could be offed by Teddy's drunk driving.

1. Shes a fat pig. She'll float like a cork.

2. If she gets locked in the car, she'll keep it afloat (see problem 1.), and she has enough hot air and gas inside her to last for hours. She is her own Scott Air Pack.
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Oh Christ. Do you know what type of mental picture I'm going to have every time I pack up now? Think before you say stuff like that!
 
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