Why the Republicans Are Doomed

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Why the Republicans Are Doomed
by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.



Imagine that you are blindfolded and told that the food you are about to eat is ice cream. It turns out to be chicken liver. Or imagine that you think you are diving into warm water but instead it turns out to be near-freezing.

This is pretty much what it is like to be governed by Republicans, and there is no better case in point than George W. Bush. He, like all Republicans since the 1920s, campaigned as a shrink-the-government man. More incredibly to recall, he blasted the "nation-building" of Bill Clinton and insisted that the US needed a "humble" foreign policy.

What we got instead is, well, what we got, is the polar opposite. The man who wailed over Bill Clinton’s big government has made Clinton’s spending record look great by comparison. The guy who decried "nation-building" has decided that bombs and tanks are a great means to inspire a wholesale upheaval in the Gulf region.

What’s interesting here is what motivates big-government Republicanism. The party itself has no strong investment in the public sector as it currently stands, apart from the prison bureaucracy and the military. Most civil servants and teachers and postal workers support the Democrats, knowing full well who is buttering their bread. Republicans, essentially, see the public purse as something not to conserve but to rob and give to those who do vote Republican.

Thus is the government contracted out – and vastly so. Thus are religious charities eligible for public funding. Thus are private schools encouraged to get on the dole. Thus are industrialists eligible for every privilege one can imagine. Heck, if you are big enough and powerful enough, the Republicans might even start a war on your behalf. This gets very expensive indeed, even more expensive than old-fashioned, reformed-minded, repair-the-schools, renew-the-cities, make-the-government-work social democracy!

And you know how the left says that the Republicans care nothing for your privacy or for individual rights? The Republicans seem to be living up to a caricature of their reputation. Anyone who questions whether the FBI ought to be permitted to tap your phone or read your email, or whether the CIA ought to be able to lock people up forever without a formal charge, is denounced as a leftist.

Where have Republican grassroots been? Here we find disgrace. They were charmed by Bush going into all this, and they have not ceased to be loyal. Yes, along the way – this always happens – some of the rank-and-file become irritated that Bush isn’t doing more to stand up to the Democrats. But a Republican White House always, always, always knows how to deal with this problem. The prez sets up a 15-minute meeting with "conservative leaders" at which they fawn all over him. They then report back to their minions that the president is a great guy and needs our support. Most people comply since they fear the devil Democrats more.

As for foreign policy, my goodness, the rank and file are gullible in the most ghastly way. These people went from scorning Clinton’s exertions in Somalia to calling anyone who doesn’t support the war on Iraq a traitor to America itself. The display of Nazi-style jingoism has been nearly unbearable. The flag is worshipped as a holy object, the national anthem is treated as a sacred hymn, every character in a military costume is canonized, and the president himself is exalted as a godhead incarnate. Now we know – because we are living through it – the stuff of which fascism is made.

We could go on. But rather than decry the hypocrisy, lies, and unrelenting bamboozlement, it would be more productive to examine the underlying social theory that leads Republicans to campaign one way and govern another. Elsewhere we discussed how the Democrats believe in a conflict-based model of society, with their imagined society consisting of groups of warring tribes (men v. women, blacks v. whites, etc.). In the same way, the Republicans imagine that the social order is rife with conflict, but a conflict of a different sort.

Republicans believe that all of society, whether your town, the nation, or the whole world, is divided between those who adhere to the law and those who are inclined to break it. These they define as good guys and bad guys, but it is not always true since the law these days is not the law written on our hearts but rather the rules as laid down by state masters. But this seemingly important point is completely lost on the Republican mind, since they believe that without the state as lawmaker, all of society and all of the world would collapse into a muddle of chaos and darkness.

This view they get from Hobbes. Not that the average buyer of Ann Coulter’s books reads political philosophy. They rather accept a popular version of the fundamental anti-liberal idea: society is a wreck without Leviathan. This is why they celebrate the police more than merchants, why they think that war deserves more credit than trade for world prosperity, why they call drafted killers for the state the "greatest generation," whereas the pioneers of the 19th century are merely historical curiosities.

In short, their meta-understanding of politics bypassed the liberal revolution of the 18th century and embraced the anti-liberal elements of the Enlightenment. Up with Hobbes, down with Locke: that is their implied creed. Liberty is fine but order, ORDER, is much more important, and order comes from the state. They can’t even fathom the truth that liberty is the mother, not the daughter, of order. That thought is too complex for the Manichean mind.

Now, it is true that Republicans tend to be better on issues of welfare, environmentalism, social legislation and the like. They reject egalitarianism, more or less, and have no strong beef with business. But none of this matters in the defense of liberty because they are intellectually wedded to the state in the most fundamental way. They believe that it and not voluntary cooperation is the source of order in society, and what they fear more than anything is revolution. Freedom, to them, is not a right but something conferred as a reward for good behavior.

It is a curiosity that these same people tend to herald the Declaration of Independence. This was a revolutionary document that postulated that government was the source of disorder, and imagined that society could be forged in absence of the state. The replacement government under the Articles of Confederation was a government in name only, and like the anarchy that Republicans fear more than anything else.

I once heard a leading Republican intellectual, a respected figure with lots of books on everyone’s shelves, express profound regret when the Soviet Union was falling apart. The problem, from this person’s perspective, is that this led to disorder, and order – meaning control even by the Soviet state – is the fundamental conservative value. That about sums it up. Even communism is to be tolerated so long as it keeps away what they dread more than death: people within their rights doing whatever they want.

But these days we see all around us how liberty generates order and how this order is self-sustaining. We live in private communities. We see the glorious world of the web. We benefit daily, hourly, minute-by-minute, from an order that is not imposed from without but rather generated from within, by that remarkable capacity we have for pursuing self-interest while benefiting the whole. Here are the great mystery and majesty of social order, expressed so well in the act of economic exchange.

Republicans by contrast live intellectually in a world long past, a world of warring states and societies made up of fixed classes that fought over ever-dwindling resources, a world unleavened by enterprise and individual initiative. They imagine themselves to be the class of rulers, the aristocrats, the philosopher kings, the high clerics, the landowners, and to keep that power, they gladly fuel the basest of human instincts: nationalism, jingoism, and hate. Keeping them at bay means keeping the world of their imaginations at bay, and that is a very good and important thing for the sake of civilization.

February 21, 2007
 
Egads...a long read but well worth it! I may not entirely agree, but:
Republicans believe that all of society, whether your town, the nation, or the whole world, is divided between those who adhere to the law and those who are inclined to break it. These they define as good guys and bad guys, but it is not always true since the law these days is not the law written on our hearts but rather the rules as laid down by state masters. But this seemingly important point is completely lost on the Republican mind, since they believe that without the state as lawmaker, all of society and all of the world would collapse into a muddle of chaos and darkness.

This view they get from Hobbes. Not that the average buyer of Ann Coulter’s books reads political philosophy. They rather accept a popular version of the fundamental anti-liberal idea: society is a wreck without Leviathan.
That hits the nail right on the head. (Might I add that Democrats tend to believe that all people are basically good if you simply remove any cause or temptation to be "bad".)

Democrats have moved forward in past decades with the increasingly popular socialist welfare nanny state. Republicans, while their intentions were good and their ideals were elsewhere, did little to counter that movement, leaving the very conservative voters without a viable party.

GW 43 and his Republican Congress was supposed to be our group of modern Messiahs, leading us to the Promised Land of whatever we believed we had been promised. He failed at that, if only because he was set on an impossibly high pedestal. While the latest elections didn't sound the Republican party's funeral bells just yet, it should have been a pretty loud wake-up call to a party that had every chance to move away from everything the Democrats had established but instead bogged down, if not dug deeper, into that same cycle of spend/tax/spend/tax. A few tax cuts may win votes but they are not fooling anyone.
 
The root of the problem is the uneasy alliance that exists in the GOP today, especially on the economic issues.

There are the people who don't want the lefties to gut our business base for their feel-good programs, because doing so doesn't seem to help much ("buying a drunk a drink") and at the same time does a heck of a lot of damage (unemployment, crushing taxes, crippling regulation). We know the Worker's Paradise that the left trumpets leads to the dismal wreck that was East Berlin.

HOWEVER, there are many who agree on those points, but wish to use that same power of the state to prop up their business (various subsidies, targeted tariffs, encouraging illegal immigration, etc). Aside from the damage they do on their own, they're also the grain of truth that absolutely destroys Bush's credibility when he tries to do well.. anything. If Hell itself was laying seige to Manhattan, the media would pitch a hissy over Haliburton carting water to the front lines.

Those two groups of people sound the same at first, and both have an interest in stopping socialism.. but their long term interests are entirely different. And from where I sit, it seems to me of late the party bosses are most all of the latter class, and the party faithful pretty much all of the former.

Dems, don't get too celebratory at that comment - you guys have exactly the same problem - the "Blue Dogs" vs the Pelosis and Kennedys, for a start.

Geez. At this rate, I'm ready to just turn on the news as see the Jihadis or Koreans or Iranians somehow managed to just take out Washington. We'd ALL be better off for it. :(
 
Say you go to an ice cream taste testing booth at a fair. There's 2 table. The one on the left flat out tells you he's going to give you liver instead of ice cream. The guy on the right may give you liver instead of ice cream.
Who do you choose?


I don't know about you, but I'll choose possible liver over certain liver every time. The GOP may do a lot of things bad. But the Dems do a lot MORE things bad.

And no, there is no table #3.
 
Republicans by contrast live intellectually in a world long past, a world of warring states and societies made up of fixed classes that fought over ever-dwindling resources, a world unleavened by enterprise and individual initiative. They imagine themselves to be the class of rulers, the aristocrats, the philosopher kings, the high clerics, the landowners, and to keep that power, they gladly fuel the basest of human instincts: nationalism, jingoism, and hate. Keeping them at bay means keeping the world of their imaginations at bay, and that is a very good and important thing for the sake of civilization.

uh-huh. This is supposed to be a Republican only description? I think the author should check his premises and try again. The diatribe has no appreciable philisophical argument and could be used to slander any political group the author chooses. Lots of vagaries and key word emotional rhetoric attacks (facism, statism, evil big business, etc...) but absolutely nothing concrete to actually relate a specific issue with.
 
The GOP may do a lot of things bad. But the Dems do a lot MORE things bad.

I'm not sure that comment is statistically justified if you compare the degradation of privacy/up tick in government intrusiveness/increase in the size of government/foreign entanglements between the last Rep and Dem administrations.

Not picking a fight, JMHO.

Best,
S-
 
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Imagine 3,000,000 NRA members or 100,000,000 firearms owners getting off their ass and voting
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Not sure anything all that different would happen.

A bunch of them would vote Democrat because "there isn't really any difference between George Bush and Dianne Feinstein on gun issues."

A bunch of them would vote Democrat because they're mad at the Republicans and think that putting Hilary, Feinstein, Schumer, Kennedy, and Pelosi in charge will somehow create "balance."

A certain percentage would vote for far-out goofball parties with no chance of winning.

A lot of them would just vote how their parents voted in 1950.

A fair number would write in a variety of goofballs you've never heard of, because none of the candidates on the ballot have promised to preserve their right to large caliber naval artillery

One thing they wouldn't do is vote like a bloc prioritizing RKBA above all other issues.
 
Imagine 3,000,000 NRA members or 100,000,000 firearms owners getting off their ass and voting.
:)

Why in the Hell don't they????:cuss:

We need someone on this sight to put on top ways to get gun owners to vote and vote for gun issues!

I've tried to get people gun owners to just vote in the past tell them to vote for anyone but vote, I don't know what else to say or do they seem to be lazy, but as I say they are always the loudest when they have to wait for a gun or pay high taxes.

Maybe some help here.
 
Antsi, what if the choice was between a Democrat with a good record on 2A issues like Bill Richardson and a Republican gun grabber like Gulianni? If protecting our 2A rights is the most important thing, wouldn't the 100,000,000 gun owners be better off voting Democtatic in that very possible circumstance?
 
Lobotomy Boy
Antsi, what if the choice was between a Democrat with a good record on 2A issues like Bill Richardson and a Republican gun grabber like Gulianni? If protecting our 2A rights is the most important thing, wouldn't the 100,000,000 gun owners be better off voting Democtatic in that very possible circumstance?

Well for my nickels worth.

Most Dems who say they are pro gun and campaign as so when the vote is down will always vote with their party.

I have a newly elected Congressman Shuler in my district and will be keeping tabs on his record and let you know in the future with this bill HR 1022.

Again you people with the Gooliani thing he is about as a Liberal Dem as ther ever was in the Republican part, well orcastrated for years.
If he is nominated he will win in a landslide:barf: , but I think Republicans will see thet I hope, I won't vote for him thats for sure.
 
Lobotomy,

If you really believe that Richardson will, in the White House, act on pure conscience out of his deep convictions about RKBA, and go against all the powers in his own party, then by all means go ahead and vote for him.

Up until now, Richardson has been a Democrat in a heavy "gun culture" state. Supporting RKBA has been the path of least resistance; the easy way out.

Whether he will continue to support RKBA when it COSTS him politically has yet to be seen.

He will telegraph us on this, though. We will get some clues. When the media people ask him about gun control, listen carefully to his answers.

If he starts talking about "sensible gun control measures," and "reasonable gun safety laws," and "keeping guns out of the hands of criminals," and "the second ammendment rights of hunters and sportsmen," then we will know he's drunk deeply of the national party's kool-aid.

Maybe he will say, "My party has been flat-out wrong on gun control. I oppose the assault weapons ban... honestly, the whole concept of 'assault weapons' is propaganda nonsense. I'll veto any attempt to restore an assault weapons ban, or any other kind of gun control that comes across my desk." If he said that, then maybe I would start thinking that you might be right and he really does intend to act on deeply held convictions about RKBA.

Of course, if he says that, he'll never win the Democrat nomination and voting for him for president won't really be an option.
 
Maybe he will say, "My party has been flat-out wrong on gun control. I oppose the assault weapons ban... honestly, the whole concept of 'assault weapons' is propaganda nonsense. I'll veto any attempt to restore an assault weapons ban, or any other kind of gun control that comes across my desk." If he said that, then maybe I would start thinking that you might be right and he really does intend to act on deeply held convictions about RKBA.

Will the Dems (Pulosi, Kennedy, insiders already)support a front runner who does this. After all it may be an easy victory against say a Goolini or McCain.:neener:

When in NJ we had a candidate (Whittman)who swore on every campaign stop she would withdraw the Florio gun bans and campaigned as a gunner then thumbed her nose at all and wouldn't even acknowledge our existance after that(geting elected).
 
As for foreign policy, my goodness, the rank and file are gullible in the most ghastly way. These people went from scorning Clinton’s exertions in Somalia to calling anyone who doesn’t support the war on Iraq a traitor to America itself. The display of Nazi-style jingoism has been nearly unbearable. The flag is worshipped as a holy object, the national anthem is treated as a sacred hymn, every character in a military costume is canonized, and the president himself is exalted as a godhead incarnate. Now we know – because we are living through it – the stuff of which fascism is made.

My goodness. That could've been cut and pasted from MoveOn.org. Anybody with a "support our troops" sticker is a NATIONALIST JINGOIST NAZI FASCIST!

This is why they celebrate the police more than merchants, why they think that war deserves more credit than trade for world prosperity, why they call drafted killers for the state the "greatest generation," whereas the pioneers of the 19th century are merely historical curiosities.

Drafted killers. Hoo boy. That's right, see, World War II was just a big scam to empower the military-industrial complex. Or something.

Frankly, I think the author's good points end up being watered down with immature, reactionary comments like the above. The author is using exaggeration to make his point more poignant, and I don't think it's working out so well. It never helps your argument when you sound like a Freshman Political Science student protesting in front of the Student Union while wearing a clamshell sign. Well, not if you want to actually get through to anyone.

Also, I don't know that painting the Neo-Cons as philosophical heirs of Hobbes is really the best description. Hobbes' perspective, having lived through the English Civil War, was that the world is a nasty, brutish place, where live is short and dangerous. Resultantly, Hobbes "reasoned", ANY level of tyranny or governmental excess was preferable to the chaos, anarchy, and war that he lived through.

Hobbes stretched things quite a bit. He believed that no matter how heavy-handed the state was, that it was better than the alternative. Hobbes never imagined a society based on liberty; he simply assumed that without strict control from the state, all would fall into war and chaos. History has shown us that a society with limited government, based on ideals of liberty, can work, if, you know, we'd let it. Hobbes is the philosophical father of the Nanny State, in my opinion.

Of course, the farther to the extreme left and extreme right you go, the more extremists tend to agree on how powerful government should be (just for different reasons).
 
'On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.'

'Odd', said Arthur, 'I thought you said it was a democracy.'

'I did' said Ford, 'It is.'

'So,' said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, 'why don't people get rid of the lizards?'

'It honestly doesn't occur to them,' said Ford. 'They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.'

'You mean they actually vote for the lizards?'

'Oh yes', said Ford with a shrug, 'of course.'

'But', said Arthur, going for the big one again, 'why?'

'Because if they didn't vote for a lizard', said Ford, 'the wrong lizard might get in.'

/they're all lizards
 
antsi said:
Up until now, Richardson has been a Democrat in a heavy "gun culture" state. Supporting RKBA has been the path of least resistance; the easy way out.

Whether he will continue to support RKBA when it COSTS him politically has yet to be seen.

Wouldn't the same thing apply to Giuliani in reverse? He's mayor of a very anti-gun city, and opposing RKBA has been the path of least resistance. Is anyone listening carefully to see whether he is really pro-gun or not? ;)
 
A lot of them would just vote how their parents voted in 1950.

lol, sad, but certainly true, atleast what I see in my family anyways. I had to laugh when i saw that and I guess my parents and grandparents arent the only ones doing that.
 
Shanghai McCoy sort of hits the nail upon the head. I say sort of because a pretty sizable group of folks aren't mature enough to be treated as an adult.

These are the folks, and a fair amount of them are educated, (shows the value of a good collich edumacation, eh?) who either don't pay attention to anything and believe the drivel by the MSM, or just flat don't pay any attention to anything other than the name brand of their clothing and the make of their car.

I used to oversimplify Dems and Repubs this way: The Dems steal your money at the point of a gun. (taxes) Repubs steal your money by setting loose the robber barons. If given a choice to be plundered by the government or a merchant, I'd take the merchant because I can at least avoid him. I'm not so sure that is true anymore.

The Zumbo thing last week showed me how powerful "the people" can be in an age of instant communication. That was a microcosm. It's too bad that a tsunami of interest in who sets the agenda for governance and accountability wouldn't sweep over our nation in the same way.
 
education has little to do with improving outcomes of voting. a formal education doesnt mean you pay attention to politics or know anything about them. There are alot of highly educated people who want to run everyones lives and think everyone else is too stupid to know whats best for them. alot of their votes arent based on knowledge, but on beliefs and what they think should work regardless if the same policies have never improved anything. It has little to do with if certain policies have worked in the past. their ideas seem to be based on wanting to have control of everyone who isnt as smart as they are. Also, to be considered smart you have to think the same way they do. try to find a dirtbag congressman who doesnt have atleast a masters degree,youll have a hard time finding one. I see the "educational elite" everyday in my classes. I would like to be left alone and make my own decisions, there doesnt seem to be a party thats for that.
 
Just say no. To both.
That sounds good when you say it fast, but the fact is that for the foreseeable future the winning candidates in all national (and most local) races is either going to be a Republican or a Democrat.

I understand the urge to "take your ball and go home" but that will only serve the designs of the statist in both parties.


We must change one of the parties ... and the closest to a true "pro liberty" party we have is the GOP. There are a lot of libertarian minded folk there and they need our support. Its too late to fix the DNC ... they're now basically the Socialist party.


If the GOP is doomed then so are our gun rights (along with free market capitalism and freedom in general).



Also, too many buy this myth that the so-called "Religious Right" has too much power within the GOP. This is a scare tactic used by agnostic libertarians and atheist leftists to frighten freedom loving people away from the GOP.

The Religious Right is a tiny minority of the party (hell, I live in the heart of the "Religious Right Beast" here in Colorado Springs and I can tell you they are puny and powerless and honestly most Evangelicals I know are VERY libertarian ... they want government to go away and leave them the heck alone as much as the most ardent LP supporter. They speak out against what they believe to be sin, but they're NOT looking to outlaw most "sins", nor do they want to put gays and/or other "sinners" in concentration camps or any of the other bovine scat the left is telling you about them).
 
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