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why the shortage on Springfield GIs? am I not meant to have a 1911?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by carterbeauford, Nov 24, 2006.

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  1. carterbeauford

    carterbeauford member

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    I have been wanting to order a stainless GI for the last 8 months. Not sure what the deal is, but 3 dealers have told me they can't get one.

    One guy offered to order me a Rock Island for $499, though :scrutiny: another said he'd order a Rock Island but they are junk compared to the Springfield. I said any 1911 is better than no 1911, but am left with two dealers I really don't want to deal with.

    Cabelas might still have the one I dry fired the other day, do you think I should just buy it at the store in WV and have it shipped to a dealer in PA? This is my college graduation present and I wish I could just order it and be done with it. I just hate the attitude dealers get, we can't get the gun you want but don't really want to handle transferring it either.
     
  2. CDH

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    Today at Gander Mountain in Houston, I saw a stainless Springfield 1911 for about $450 brand new, and right next to it was a new blue Taurus PT1911 for right at $500.

    I've been thinking about picking up one of the Taurus 1911's because people keep saying how "inexpensive" they are, but when I saw that SS Springfield sitting right next to the Taurus and being sold for less, I figure if I do get another, it will be the Springfield.

    The point is, dealers get inventory all the time so just keep looking. If you know you want a particular model, you might want to ask your local favorite dealer to order you one.
     
  3. Car Knocker

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    Did they have comparable features?
     
  4. Rotorflyr

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    Not sure why the SS Springers are so hard to come by, so if you find one and have to have it shipped, do it. It shouldn't cost you that much to do.

    Also, Rock Island Armory 1911's are FAR from junk, and if you like two tone, check out http://www.classicarms.us (scroll towards the bottom of the page) for one sweet looking 1911 (and a good price as well $359)
    I can't say for sure they have any in stock, but shouldn't take em' long to get if they don't.
     
  5. Rotorflyr

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    Car Knocker,
    The Springer GI is a no frills 1911, the Taurus has all the bells and whistles on it already.......so no they don't really have comparable features.
     
  6. Car Knocker

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    What I thought. The loaded Taurus is a much better deal than the basic SA.
     
  7. Lone_Gunman

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    Do a search here and you will find quite a few people have had problems with Springfield GI models.
     
  8. 51Cards

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    I wonder if maybe SA is devoting production to XDs? My guy tells me they can't get XD/SCs, and they pretty much get everything. So, maybe the GI is waiting on the production schedule?

    I saw one of the early-shipment Taurus 1911's. Dry-fired it, thought it was heavy and heavy-handed, compared to the SA GI SS. Lots of goodies, but I think a trigger job might be in some folks' futures.

    The SA sights are ... primitive. Like the originals :D .Now, I'm saving to get the thing milled out and fitted with some adjustables. Ones that I can see. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Old Fuff

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    I believe that the XD's are imported as complete guns, and the same may be true of some 1911 models. The main point is that in both cases they are selling everything as fast as they get... or make it. What you see here is a supply vs. demand issue.
     
  10. AnthonyRSS

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    We have sold two SS GIs since (Gander Mountain) has been open in Huntsville. Took a used one in on trade a week ago. Go to a local Gander Mountain and have them get you one. They have inventory from over 100 stores to look through.

    Anthony
     
  11. Auggie4700

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    Lone_Gunman "Do a search here and you will find quite a few people have had problems with Springfield GI models."

    Quite a few people also like them a bunch. If you have a problem, Springfield will sort it out and reimburse for shipping. Might be why they're tough to find.
     
  12. david_the_greek

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    you are very much meant to have a 1911. I just got my first own (had shot one along time ago that used to be my fathers) to the range after having it for a good two months and I honestly almost cried like a teenage girl. it was hard to be inaccurate. keep up your quest it is well worth it. my own is a kimber, I will never stray from it.
     
  13. Confederate

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    What 1911s are there that work flawlessly right out of the box? There seem to be a lot of them jamming on the range and I'm told that most need work to achieve the utter reliability of the newer generations of pistol. When pitted against the Beretta 92 and Smith & Wesson 9mms in the military trials, the 1911s flunked all the reliability tests.

    I think the 1911s are beautiful guns. The Kimbers look rock solid. But when it comes to functioning, I'm not sure there are any of them that I'd trust. I do have a Smith 645 that is completely reliable, and it looks very much like a double action 1911. But I hear a lot of 1911 owners say they have to have their guns worked on to reach a flawless level of reliability.

    What's the story?

    Who makes the best 1911s right out of the box?

    [​IMG]
    The Colt Gold Cup is pricey these days, and beautiful.
    Still, they've always jammed now and then.
     
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    I sent mine back to them twice, and they could never make it reliable. I had equally bad luck with a Springfield Loaded and Micro-Compact.

    No more Springfields for me!
     
  15. Auggie4700

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    Sorry for your bad luck......I've had several with no problems that weren't mag or ammo related and soon sorted out with little effort. I just picked up a new TRP that I've only got 300 rds through so far. It did choke on one XTP 185grn early on but hasn't missed a beat since. I don't really like the XTP and won't replace them once I have them shot up. Personally, I wouldn't put any of the guns you listed in between me and a BG nor would I rely on any other makers's 1911s in that price range without extensive reliability work including internals. Might as well spend that money on one of the many Custom Carry guns now made by several builders, including SA.
     
  16. Shootcraps

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    I saw lots of them at the gun show today.

    How about my:

    Taurus PT1911
    Rock Island 1911 (X2)
    Colt CCO
    Springfield Ultra Compact
    Colt Delta Elite (X2)
    Springfield Loaded
     
  17. TimboKhan

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    I don't want to start a brand war here, and if someone wants a Springy over a Taurus, then more power to them. However, I have been extraordinarily pleased with my Taurus 1911, and the trigger is delightful. I suppose that trigger feel is sort of a personal thing, but mine is crisp and even, and not heavy in the least.
     
  18. CDH

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    I'd say that MOST made by any of the "good" brands do, but there are always going to be individual pistols that need some attention.

    Since the gauntlet was thrown, I'll say that both of my Commanders, a Colt XSE LW stainless and a Colt "standard model" Stainless have worked flawlessly right out of the box. Neither one has ever coughed on any ammo used whether ball or HP.

    I was "this close" to buying that $450 SA GI, especially since I have no interest in the "loaded" features of the PT1911.

    Carter
     
  19. Bill B.

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    1911 Springfields in stainless are available In KY. Must be a sectional type thing if you are unable to come up with one. They are also several for sale right now on GunBroker.com. Good Luck!
     
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    I'd find a new place to shop, pronto! Around here they run <$330 brand new at gun shows. Fantastic guns for the money, I've one I put a J-point red dot on and its got about 10000 rounds thru it now (mostly Wolf, the rest my reloads).

    If you want a basic WWII style 1911 and can't find the Springfield GI model the RIA is well worth buying and you'll have some extra cash left over for ammo. If you want a GI style gun in stainless you are going to have to wait for the Springer or try to find a Colt stainless "Government" model, although mine came with better than the GI "nub" sights so it may not have the "look" you seem to want.

    --wally.
     
  21. 1911 guy

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    Harrumph, not this again.

    Springer G.I.'s are hard to find because they are the best "base model" gun out there. As such, they are getting snapped up at a very rapid pace. Despite what fans of other handgun types say, the 1911 is still a BIG player in sales. Demand isn't going away, 95 years after it's adoption.

    XD production has no effect on 1911 production. The XD is made wholly in Croatia while the G.I. is made in Brazil.

    The Rock Island Armory guns are getting recurring high marks from those who own them. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one as a shooter.

    As for reliability, I have owned four 1911's, one of which, a ParaOrdnance, wasn't dead reliable. I have shot many others, both in the Navy and pistols owned by others. They have all been reliable. Stay away from chopped down sizes and your cousin Billy at his kitchen table with a dremel tool and you'll be fine.
     
  22. doubleg

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    If your going to buy the pistol in WV and have it shipped to PA why not just buy it in PA. Sales tax is only about 1% less down there. Here is my gun store/ range that I have been going to for a decent amount of time, they are honest kind people. :cool:

    http://www.anthonyarms.com/

    Its about 5 miles south of Pittsburgh. So it shouldn't be very far out of your way.
     
  23. carterbeauford

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    I did. Granted two days before buck season was not a great time to hit a gun shop, but still. I wanted to look at a S&W 22A, but when I told the associate I would likely not be buying anything today, he moved on to the next customer. Gun World in Harrisville, PA. To their credit, this was not the same associate who I bought a PT145 from about a year and a half ago. Since then their prices have gone up substantially. I doubt I'll ever go back there.

    That's what I wanted to know.

    Taurus totally slipped my mind, I need to make a couple more phone calls in that case.
     
  24. the pistolero

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    The Taurus 1911 in an excellent deal for all its features, if you can find one. :D I would have liked to get a more upscale variant such as one of the Springfield Custom Loaded models as my first 1911, but I had the same problem you did with finding one (same with the Mil-Spec) so I ended up getting the one my FFL had sitting in his safe that he'd gotten in some kind of deal he'd made. I didn't (and don't) think I "just settled" for it, though...it's been a good gun and as my first 1911 it'll always have a special place in my collection.
     
  25. 51Cards

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    Ah, one of the (few) joys of living in an area where gun's are (generally and ludicrously) regarded poorly. Here, EVERYthing is available :D . If all you guys were here, there'd be nothing left for me ...
    :)
     
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