Why we cant win in CA...

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This commercial is running regularly down here. It's for Jerry Brown who is running against Chuck Poochigian for Attorney General.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcWo-7wGt5s

You gotta give it to the Anti's.. they have some serious propoganda. I mean, *** is a ".50 Caliber Assault Rifle".. and then they have the animation of the bullet going through cop cars. And then the icing on the cake is a cop calling them "killing machines"

And check out the cop in this one.. "Poochigian supports making military style assault weapons legal"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03bGur7Yspc

How do you combat stuff like this when it's coming from the mouth's of LEOs.. People are gonna trust what LEOs say way before they listen to any rational argument from people who actually know *** they're talking about..
 
And this surprises whom??? Are these not the same people of the mindset that it was OK to confiscate legal firearms during the New Orleans debacle. I doubt that the recent law passed by congress prohibiting this would mean much to them or the AG of California.
 
I dislike being forced to choose between my right to bear arms and stem cell research.

Where's the guy with the brain today?
 
They make Poochigian sound pretty good to me. But then again, I'm not a subject of Cali.
 
How do you combat stuff like this when it's coming from the mouth's of LEOs.. People are gonna trust what LEOs say way before they listen to any rational argument from people who actually know *** they're talking about..
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It will always be possible to find a politically correct cop who will toe the democratic party line. Their time will come when they are required to speak Spanish or be fired.

Pilgrim
 
Where's the guy with the brain today?
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I won't go there.:rolleyes:

The stem-cell research issue in California was about whether to give billions in tax dollars, with no real oversight, to research with no accountability for success. This was not about "allowing" the research, it was a big corporate and university welfare scam, at my expense and yours.
 
Barrett won't sell to LEO dept's in CA any longer because of garbage like this. I wish other gun manufacturer's would follow suit. Not a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you.
 
I am not quite yet convinced that we cannot win.

Propaganda like that can only work when enough people are willing to buy it. They will, if no meaningful alternative is offered. It is our job as gunowners to offer that alternative.

Are the antis lying SOBs? Yes. Do they fight dirty? Yes. Are they despicable and pathetic? Yes. Will some cops be on their side? Yes. Well, life is hard.

Finally, a nice little earthquake bringing about a Katrina-like event in California (with resultant breakdown of local authority for a couple of weeks) will quickly convert many to the camp of self-reliance. As an added bonus, maybe many antis will be given the opportunity to see the world beyond their suburban utopian bubbles. When the marauder gangs come by their street, the antis might even arrive at a few valid conclusions about gun control.
 
The stem-cell research issue in California was about whether to give billions in tax dollars, with no real oversight, to research with no accountability for success. This was not about "allowing" the research, it was a big corporate and university welfare scam, at my expense and yours.
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ahh thanks for the clarification, I think I have some research to do on this guy. Its a compleatly different thing to opose a program for lack of oversight than it is to condem it out of a lack of understanding of the technology.
 
Honestly, I don't know why he opposed it. He might put puppies through blenders. I don't know that much about the guy.

However, I do know a little about the whole stem cell thing in California, since it was on the ballot in 2004, and I opposed the initiative despite having no particular problem with the research itself.

Furthermore, this is about embryonic stem cell research, not all stem cell research, and embryonic stem cells have shown the least promise of all the lines of inquiry, as I understand it. That's one reason why researchers want to get their hands on our tax dollars: private grants for unpromising research are hard to come by. Same goes for the Federal "ban," which is not a ban at all, just a limitation on what our Federal tax dollars can be used to fund. The research is ALL 100% LEGAL either way. And it's not right, IMO, to use tax dollars, taken by force, to fund something that a sizeable number of Americans find immoral, no matter what my opinion about it.

Now, as far as the AG is concerned... He really can't do much about this anyway. He DOES, however, have a lot of direct and unsupervised power over firearms regulation, since the AG is delegated that power by our legislature. (I oppose this strongly, BTW, but it's a fact of life right now. The AG should not have any power to decide what the law is. That's the legislature's job.)

So, when it comes down to it, I have no problem voting for someone who holds views I don't care for, if they are irrelevant to his/her job. Tom McClintock, when he ran for governor, proudly proclaimed that he is "pro-life." I thought about it, and frankly, I don't care one way or another. The governor of California has NO power over these issues in our nation right now, either way. I wish he had stuck to the issues he could influence, since I wish he were Governor right now.
 
CAnnoneer said:
Finally, a nice little earthquake bringing about a Katrina-like event in California (with resultant breakdown of local authority for a couple of weeks) will quickly convert many to the camp of self-reliance. As an added bonus, maybe many antis will be given the opportunity to see the world beyond their suburban utopian bubbles. When the marauder gangs come by their street, the antis might even arrive at a few valid conclusions about gun control.
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Actually that's not, too, far off. Given the huge size of Kalis' population, it will be a quadruple major disaster of all proportions, the Katrina disaster will be child's play in comparison.
 
Finally, a nice little earthquake bringing about a Katrina-like event in California (with resultant breakdown of local authority for a couple of weeks) will quickly convert many to the camp of self-reliance. As an added bonus, maybe many antis will be given the opportunity to see the world beyond their suburban utopian bubbles. When the marauder gangs come by their street, the antis might even arrive at a few valid conclusions about gun control.
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This is California. The "conclusion" will be that there obviously wasn't enough gun control, or there wouldn't have been armed marauders!

What we need is for the San Francisco Bay to grow to maybe 250% or so of its' current size. That would, at a stroke, kill the heart of liberalism and wipe out the Democratic majority in this state. Yeah, I know... a lot of non-liberals live there. Cancer surgery is drastic, and healthy tissue has to be excised along with the tumor to prevent a reoccurance.
 
What we need is for the San Francisco Bay to grow to maybe 250% or so of its' current size.
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Looks like that would take filling it to about the 100-meter contour line. pdf elevation map

I'm on the other side of the hills and more than 25 miles inland - but at about 15 meters. Give me a couple hours warning...
 
California's too far gone. Our people ignore everything that happens outside Stateline, and our politicians don't represent their constituencies. The only fighting left to do is fighting against further bans or restrictions - nothing's going to get lifted.

I'm outta here. I don't doubt that California will eventually return to reason and start paying attention to the rest of the US, but it's going to be brought about by the state collapsing into itself. We're ignoring all the real issues in favor of crapping out endless feel-good legislation against anything and everything. It's eventually got to come to a head, and I don't want to be here when it does.

California is simply... ridiculous. Period. I wouldn't be surprised if "the rebellion", in whatever form it takes and of whatever size, starts here.

In the meantime, I'll be somewhere in Oregon, enjoying the free air.
 
California's too far gone. Our people ignore everything that happens outside Stateline, and our politicians don't represent their constituencies. The only fighting left to do is fighting against further bans or restrictions - nothing's going to get lifted.
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Yup.. it seems like we can only fight defensive battles here. I cant imagine how any of these restrictions could ever be repealed or even relaxed.
 
What's sad is people would be more scared about .50 cals shooting through cop cars, than they will be of Jerry Brown's dismal failure on crime and Oakland..
 
Why is Poochigian still in this race?

Oakland.

Brown was going to clean up Oakland, IIRC. Abject failure, it's been. And Jerry has been trying to play the "get tough" card there. Jerry Brown is not the heroic figure he once was.

Besides, AG Brown is just unthinkable.
 
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This leads the gullible public to believe that what he is saying is the position of the department.
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It is. :rolleyes:

The ones who speak out are the Demmytard pencil-pushers who spout off about officer safety while the lower-downs on the street are censored with threats against their jobs. Rich housewives don't want to hear that Officer Friendly is actually pro-CCW, they want to hear Chief Blowhard rail about AK-47s and keep up their little illusion bubble so they don't have to worry about their kids getting shot while they're boinking the illegal pool guy. Their slender-wristed IT geek husbands don't want to feel any more emasculated than they already do by men with guns, either.

California's gone the way of the British: civilized people don't need those dreadful things.
 
Raymond Aron: Politics is not the choice between good and evil, but the choice between the preferable and the detestable.

This is not the time to vote Libertarian, Green, Constitution, or whatever. Not here, not now.
 
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